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Ukranian is about to be devasted.

Started by Beeno112 REPLIES351 VIEWS· 23 Feb 2023, 12:09
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Feb 2023, 12:09
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23 Feb 2023, 12:09#1

For those of you under the influence of the Globalist controlled media do yourself a favor and match this clip. 

Other good sources of information besides Conel Douglas MacGregor are Redacted and Scott Ritter. In fact there are many You Tobe Chanells truth telling on this subject. 

Please pay no attention to Globalist scumbag Moz. He has been totally wrong about the Plandemic, wrong about the dealt jabs, wrong about Big Pharma and wrong about most things as he deceptive punts Globalist propaganda. 




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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Feb 2023, 13:43
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23 Feb 2023, 13:43#2

I think some oaks are in for a surprise. Particularly those buying the absurd notions that Russian mitary was weak or Putin would be overthrown by the Russian people rising up or Ukrainr was on its way to Moscow or the Russian economy and Ruble would collapse. Oh yes and that by now Putin would have died of cancer. It's one ghastly lie after another. 

I see that arch buffoon old crust fan sounding off in his usual ignorant manner. Thankfully it appears his ilk are on their way out. I see NZ has their young Globalist leader Arderne resigning as she realizes she will lose the next election. Well done to all awakened NZ oaks. You were slow as I expected  but you are getting there. In fact for once you are ahead of woke Globalist Australia. That said many strong voices are rising up and it's only a matter of time before the people twiggy on and give the Globalist scumbags the big boot. 

Trudeau is also finished and I think the WEF Globalist now have a real fight on their hands.

China and Russia appear to be closer than ever but I don't trust the Chinese. If this is a genuine alliance these two countries and their allies spell the end of US hegemony. 

The USA must get back to free and fair elections and then  the Demonrats and Uniparty Rinos are also done. 

See what happens. 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Feb 2023, 16:51
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23 Feb 2023, 16:51#3

Let’s for a moment suppose you are right. Why would the devastation of a country be cause for gleeful boasting? Don’t you have any empathy for what the average Ukrainian is experiencing these days? 

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
23 Feb 2023, 16:55
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23 Feb 2023, 16:55#4

Yep, my thoughts exactly Moz

There could very well be some truth to a lot of what makes it into the mainstream media.... but it is the complete lack of empathy, or sympathy from some on here, that genuinely surprises me... day by day

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
23 Feb 2023, 17:06
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23 Feb 2023, 17:06#5

Beeno is a radicalised redneck living in a world of cloak-and-dagger conspiracies. 
The Globalist world order made Covid as part of a devil-worshipping conspiracy... China and the West are in cahoots to implement Marxismm.  And Ukraine is all apart of this conspiracy. Yawn

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Feb 2023, 17:08
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23 Feb 2023, 17:08#6

 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Feb 2023, 17:09
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23 Feb 2023, 17:09#7

 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Feb 2023, 17:10
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23 Feb 2023, 17:10#8

 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Feb 2023, 17:12
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23 Feb 2023, 17:12#9

I don't trust either of the 2 sides...both guilty of horrors,  but it was the Russian army going into Ukraine, not the other way around...

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
23 Feb 2023, 17:27
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23 Feb 2023, 17:27#10

Ukraine is fighting for their right to exist as a nation. Russia is an existential threat to them. They have greater purpose and motivation than the Russians. 

Some of the Russians are twisted and evil, others are fighting against their will and unfortunately just cannon fodder. 

How can Russians actually think Ukraine is still part of their empire, the former USSR. 
It is just far right Nazi imperialistic stuff- neo-nationalism

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
23 Feb 2023, 20:47
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23 Feb 2023, 20:47#11
I see China are opting in and Putin is putting Nuke treaties on hold…haha how does unilaterally put a treaty on hold? Is that just called breaking the treaty? Like telling your wife you won’t be married for the coming weekend but will be back to normal on Monday :/
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
23 Feb 2023, 21:05
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23 Feb 2023, 21:05#12

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2023/feb/23/mariupol-the-ruin-of-a-city

For more than 80 days, the Russians bombarded Mariupol, determined to take the port city even if they had to raze it to the ground first.


After Russian forces finally crushed Ukrainian resistance last May, they set about putting their stamp on Mariupol, erasing evidence of the recent atrocities and of past Ukrainian history in the city.


A year on from the invasion of Ukraine, the Guardian tells the story of Mariupol – perhaps the bloodiest and most shocking chapter of Russia’s brutal war.

Mariupol greets the new year, 2022, in a relaxed mood. When a strong gust of wind blows over the city Christmas tree, sending its vast illuminated branches crashing to the ground, a few suspicious types whisper that it could be a bad omen for the year ahead.

But most people pay little heed to the crescendo of chatter about Vladimir Putin’s nefarious plans for Ukraine.

They are used to the idea of war here, after the events of 2014 when Russian proxies seized neighbouring Donetsk and briefly controlled Mariupol, too. The frontline, just outside the city, has hardly moved for years. Occasional military skirmishes are a fact of life, but the idea of a full-scale invasion seems fanciful.

So for the first seven weeks of the year, life goes on more or less as normal. People huddle in cafes smoking shisha on cold evenings; teenagers giggle as they slip on the ice rink behind the drama theatre. At a nearby restaurant one Saturday night, a group of women dance to a vocalist singing in Russian and English; their husbands remain seated, nursing beers.


A few people do become uneasy and clean out their basements, equipping them as bomb shelters. They stock up on tinned food. Often, their friends tease them for such eccentric behaviour.

And then, in the early hours of 24 February, it begins.

Around 5am, calls go out to the chiefs of police and other municipal services, announcing that military hostilities have begun and ordering them into their offices. Most of them are already awake, roused by the sound of Russian artillery.

At 11 in the morning, the mayor, Vadym Boychenko, convenes a press conference. Already, three civilians are dead and six injured, he says. The mood in the room is tense, but Boychenko assures the few journalists present that officials and key infrastructure workers are still working, and life will carry on.

“Don’t panic. We are ready to fight for Mariupol and Ukraine,” says the mayor.

He and most of his team will flee the city three days later.

On those first few days, the fighting is limited to the outskirts of the city. Wounded soldiers arrive at the hospitals from the front, and hundreds of volunteers show up to donate blood.

There are long queues at ATMs and petrol stations, but public transport is still running, and some people stoically continue as if everything is normal, heading for work.

At the train station, a young couple hurries along the platform dragging suitcases and cradling a cat. Tearful parents bundle their children on to evacuation trains heading for Kyiv. But the trains leave half empty. By the time most people realise what is coming, it will be too late to leave.

The city is well defended from the east, where everyone expected the Russians to launch an attack. But there has been no preparation for an invasion from the west. Russian troops pour across the narrow isthmus from Crimea towards Mariupol, and within a few days, the city is encircled.

Almost immediately, the Russians hit the electricity, water and gas supplies. People melt snow for water, and cook outside over open flames. Phone reception disappears, creating an information vacuum. The last shops close their doors, soon to be looted by people desperate for food.

As the fighting becomes more intense, people drag mattresses into the stairwells of their apartment blocks, or move into their dark and freezing basements. Some people are too old or too frail to move. Most of them will not survive.

At Hospital Number One, on the eastern side of the city, Serhiy Mudryi, a traumatologist, arrives for a two-day shift on 28 February. It is too dangerous to move around the city, so Mudryi sleeps at the hospital. His shift will end up lasting 40 days; he leaves only once, to collect his family and bring them back to the hospital, giving them beds in an empty ward.

Most of the other doctors flee, and soon there is just a skeleton team remaining at the hospital: Mudryi, two surgeons, an anaesthesiologist and a couple of nurses.

Arrivals are frequent, both soldiers and civilians. Before long, the ambulances stop running and patients arrive in private cars, driven by relatives frantic with worry. It takes a lot to shock a traumatologist with two decades of experience, but the minced flesh and crushed bodies Mudryi is seeing every day turn his stomach.


The doctors do not have the time for the complicated operations required to save limbs. “Post-operation, wounds require lots of care, there is a huge risk of infection and gangrene, and then dying from it,” Mudryi explains to patients. Now, whenever there is a serious injury, the doctors amputate. The patient will lose an arm or a leg but have more chance of staying alive.

As the fighting shifts into the suburbs and more buildings come under fire, many people who live close to the hospital arrive and move into the hospital basements. One 92-year-old woman tells Mudryi she has come because she remembers hiding in the same place during the second world war.

The hope that hospitals will be spared the worst of the war turns out to be naive. Across town, a maternity ward is shelled, and photographs of a bloodied, heavily pregnant woman scrambling through the rubble shock the world. Russian officials suggest the woman is an actor.

Soon after, in the Turkish resort town of Antalya, the Russian and Ukrainian foreign ministers meet, the highest-level discussion since the war started. The two men discuss Mariupol more than anything else.

Russia’s Sergei Lavrov looks his Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba in the eye, and tells him the maternity ward was filled with Ukrainian fighters, not pregnant women.

“Unfortunately, I can confirm that the Russian leadership, including minister Lavrov, live in their own reality,” says Kuleba.

The talks break up after 90 minutes, with no agreement on anything.



With no mobile reception in the city, rumours spread of ceasefires and of evacuation corridors, but there is no verified information. Will the Ukrainian forces let them out? Will the Russians shoot at them on the way? Are Russian troops already in Kyiv? Nobody knows for sure.


The fighting intensifies to a level where dashing to a well or stream for a bucket of water carries a serious risk of being a one-way mission. During breaks in the shelling, people dig shallow graves and bury the dead on the spot.

In one central apartment block, a group of men dash out in mid-March to bury several older women, killed while cooking over an open fire in a courtyard. It is a scene repeated across the city.

“I knew those old women all my life. They sat outside the apartment block on the benches, chatting away, passing the time. And then you have to close the eyes of those women and bury them in their own courtyard,” recalls Vitaly, one of the impromptu gravediggers.

Elsewhere in Ukraine, people desperately try to contact relatives in Mariupol to find out if they are still alive. “This phone number is out of coverage,” is invariably the automated response. People begin to have nightmares about the phrase.

Every few days, there might be a fleeting moment when a bar of reception appears and people’s telephones light up with messages. Sometimes, the delayed news brings a wave of overwhelming relief at a sign of life, on other occasions it brings confirmation of the worst fears.

As time goes by, some people become angry and hysterical, as it dawns on them that there is no safe way out of the city and they may die in their basements, from the cold, the hunger or the bombs.

Maryna Puhachova, an activist and lawyer, develops a morning ritual to help her stay calm: soon after dawn, she goes outside with the neighbours, collects some snow and boils it over a flame to make coffee.

A bit later, she sits by the window, the only source of light in her apartment, and applies her makeup. The booms are relentless, and next to the window is the most dangerous place to be, but she finds the routine to be soothing.

Some people in the neighbouring block see her doing it and suspect she may have gone mad. But then they start doing it too, and before long a morning ritual is established in which several women sit at their windows, wave to each other and do their makeup. It is a small moment of humanity that keeps them going.

During the days, when the shelling quietens, Puhachova speeds across town to a distribution point, where volunteers collect food aid and drive it to places where they know there are large concentrations of people sheltering in cellars.


Puhachova has worked for many years in the villages around Mariupol, for an organisation offering legal and psychological support to people living close to the front line. She is used to operating under pressure. But with each day, the runs across town get hairier. She sees burning cars, and corpses gnawed at by stray dogs.

She witnesses acts of grim selfishness, such as people trying to sell looted supplies for a profit, but also gestures of remarkable bravery and kindness, like those who give away their last food and medicines to people in greater need.

She tries her hardest to put on a brave face when she visits the basements to deliver food and sees the desperation in people’s faces. She can sense that people appear reassured by the sight of someone who remains strong and cheerful, at least on the outside.

As more residential blocks sustain hits, and with evacuation routes out of the city closed off, many people congregate at a series of public shelters. Perhaps the largest is at the drama theatre, where more than 1,000 people take refuge. In front of the colonnaded building, someone spells out the word DETI – children – in giant Russian letters.

On 11 March, Oleksandr Khodzhava, a steelworker, arrives at the theatre with his parents, wife and two young daughters. Heavy shelling near their apartment block has collapsed the plaster ceiling of their basement, and the neighbours mention that the drama theatre has become a refugee shelter, and thus should be spared from strikes.

On arrival, the family find a place to sleep on the cold floor of a costume room, beside sewing machines and bits of cloth. They receive meagre rations three times per day: hot water for breakfast, soup for lunch, and a biscuit for dinner.

Early in the morning on 16 March, they relocate to the cellar, a theatre control room full of electronics, thinking it will be safer there. The floor is covered with soft padding ripped from seats and armchairs.

Oleksandr goes to help with food preparations, while his wife takes their youngest daughter back up to the costume room, to clean their former quarters. Oleksandr’s parents, Serhiy and Iryna, stay down in the basement.

Somewhere in the distance, they hear the faint noise of a plane’s engines.  Shortly after, there is a flash and a huge explosion.The blast throws Serhiy 3 metres across the room and rips off the cellar doors. Everything is covered in chalky dust; thick smoke hangs in the air. He struggles to his feet after freeing himself and clambers his way out of the cellar. The floor is awash with blood, and through the smoke he sees two men pull another man from the rubble, his boots attached to his legs only by bloodied skin, all the bone gone.

In the landing area by the stairs, Serhiy finds his wife and their eldest granddaughter, but Oleksandr has been crushed under rubble. Oleksandr’s wife, Anastasia, and their young daughter, Karolina, are also missing in the costume room. Although dazed and shocked, looking at the ruins Serhiy knows for sure there is no chance any of the three survived.

Serhiy and his wife, holding their surviving granddaughter, Valeriya, by the hand, wander in shock in the streets around the theatre, coughing from the dust and unsure what to do.

After some time, a family in a car about to embark on the risky journey out of Mariupol hears the wails of the newly orphaned Valeriya, and offers the trio a lift. They make it to Ukrainian-controlled territory, where they must start a new life equipped with no possessions to speak of and a devastating sense of loss.

Russia first claims the theatre was filled with Ukrainian troops. Later, it changes its story, insisting the theatre was blown up by Ukrainian forces as a “provocation”. The evidence, however, points to a Russian airstrike.

The Associated Press estimates that 600 people died in the attack.










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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
23 Feb 2023, 22:00
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23 Feb 2023, 22:00#13
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