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Useful overview of Covid

Started by Mozart17 REPLIES680 VIEWS· 13 Nov 2021, 20:45
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Nov 2021, 20:45
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13 Nov 2021, 20:45#1

Pandemics do not die—they fade away. And that is what covid-19 is likely to do in 2022. True, there will be local and seasonal flare-ups, especially in chronically undervaccinated countries. Epidemiologists will also need to watch out for new variants that might be capable of outflanking the immunity provided by vaccines. Even so, over the coming years, as covid settles into its fate as an endemic disease, like flu or the common cold, life in most of the world is likely to return to normal—at least, the post-pandemic normal. 

Behind this prospect lie both a stunning success and a depressing failure. The success is that very large numbers of people have been vaccinated and that, at each stage of infection from mild symptoms to intensive care, new medicines can now greatly reduce the risk of death. It is easy to take for granted, but the rapid creation and licensing of so many vaccines and treatments for a new disease is a scientific triumph. 

The polio vaccine took 20 years to go from early trials to its first American licence. By the end of 2021, just two years after sars-cov-2 was first identified, the world was turning out roughly 1.5bn doses of covid vaccine each month. Airfinity, a life-sciences data firm, predicts that by the end of June 2022 a total of 25bn doses could have been produced. At a summit in September President Joe Biden called for 70% of the world to be fully vaccinated within a year. Supply need not be a constraint.

Immunity has been acquired at a terrible cost

Vaccines do not offer complete protection, however, especially among the elderly. Yet here, too, medical science has risen to the challenge. For example, early symptoms can be treated with molnupiravir, a twice-daily antiviral pill that in trials cut deaths and admissions to hospital by half. The gravely ill can receive dexamethasone, a cheap corticosteroid, which reduces the risk of death by 20-30%. In between are drugs like remdesivir and an antibody cocktail made by Regeneron.

Think of the combination of vaccination and treatment as a series of walls, each of which blocks a proportion of viral attacks from becoming fatal. The erection of each new wall further reduces the lethality of covid.

However, alongside this success is that failure. One further reason why covid will do less harm in the future is that it has already done so much in the past. Very large numbers of people are protected from current variants of covid only because they have already been infected. And many more, particularly in the developing world, will remain unprotected by vaccines or medicines long into 2022.

This immunity has been acquired at terrible cost. The Economist has tracked excess deaths during the pandemic—the mortality over and above what you would have expected in a normal year. Our central estimate on October 22nd was of a global total of 16.5m deaths (with a range from 10.2m to 19.2m), which was 3.3 times larger than the official count. Working backwards using assumptions about the share of fatal infections, a very rough estimate suggests that these deaths are the result of 1.5bn-3.6bn infections—six to 15 times the recorded number.

The combination of infection and vaccination explains why in, say, Britain in the autumn, you could detect antibodies to covid in 93% of adults. People are liable to re-infection, as Britain shows, but with each exposure to the virus the immune system becomes better trained to repel it. Along with new treatments and the fact that more young people are being infected, that explains why the fatality rate in Britain is now only a tenth of what it was at the start of 2021. Other countries will also follow that trajectory on the road to endemicity.

All this could yet be upended by a dangerous new variant. The virus is constantly mutating and the more of it there is in circulation, the greater the chance that an infectious new strain will emerge. However, even if Omicron and Rho variants strike, they may be no more deadly than Delta is. In addition, existing treatments are likely to remain effective, and vaccines can rapidly be tweaked to take account of the virus’s mutations. 

Just another endemic disease

Increasingly, therefore, people will die from covid because they are elderly or infirm, or they are unvaccinated or cannot afford medicines. Sometimes people will remain vulnerable because they refuse to have a jab when offered one—a failure of health education. But vaccine doses are also being hoarded by rich countries, and getting needles into arms in poor and remote places is hard. Livelihoods will be ruined and lives lost all for lack of a safe injection that costs just a few dollars. 

Covid is not done yet. But by 2023, it will no longer be a life-threatening disease for most people in the developed world. It will still pose a deadly danger to billions in the poor world. But the same is, sadly, true of many other conditions. Covid will be well on the way to becoming just another disease.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Nov 2021, 21:29
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13 Nov 2021, 21:29#2

I hope you are right - but cannot be as assured as you are about the issue.   There are still negative impact and even deaths in the case of some people and the fact is that Covid spreading is not relly reduce by the vaccines and there are serious question marks attached to booster shots being required basically on a three month cycle.     I hope that they can find more effective treating mechanisms and it would also help if the origin of the virus could be determined    It is was indeed as is near to 100% accepted - the problem should not be politicized and research of that type   should be banned  worldwide..          .   

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Nov 2021, 23:11
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13 Nov 2021, 23:11#3

Mzzzz please get acquainted with the real science and stop pedaling this BS.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Nov 2021, 05:06
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14 Nov 2021, 05:06#4

Just listen to Trump HasBeen and not all these nutters.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Nov 2021, 07:49
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14 Nov 2021, 07:49#5

 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Nov 2021, 08:12
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14 Nov 2021, 08:12#6

In my small circle of friends, family and colleagues, almost everyone has already had Covid. Let's be conservative and say it's only 67%....then the official number of just under 3M Cases out of almost 60M makes no sense at all. I'm quite sure that more than half of the world's population already had it. Yes, there are people who,for some or other reason, really get seriously ill from this, but most people don't even know they have it. This doesn't even come close to pandemics of the past, but we've got the most hard handed reaction from government in History.  Covid has been over-commercialized for financial gain....it's so obvious, but nooo....

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Nov 2021, 09:46
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14 Nov 2021, 09:46#7

For Big Pharma it's profits. 

For the Globalist elites it's culling the herd and total control of the populace via the vaxx passport. 

Trump I believe ment well but got hoodwinked by the so called scientists around him courtesy of traitor Mike Pence. Trump says it has to be choice unlike that Marxist wannabe dictator and criminal  China Joe. I wouldn't be surprised if he is having second thoughts by now. 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Nov 2021, 09:48
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14 Nov 2021, 09:48#8

Has anybody heard Mozzzz 's explanation why those who have had Covid should be vaccinated.

I cant even imagine how he would spin that one. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Nov 2021, 09:48
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14 Nov 2021, 09:48#9

Has anybody heard Mozzzz 's explanation why those who have had Covid should be vaccinated.

I cant even imagine how he would spin that one. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Nov 2021, 09:49
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14 Nov 2021, 09:49#10

For Big Pharma it's profits. 

For the Globalist elites it's culling the herd and total control of the populace via the vaxx passport. 

Trump I believe ment well but got hoodwinked by the so called scientists around him courtesy of traitor Mike Pence. Trump says it has to be choice unlike that Marxist wannabe dictator and criminal  China Joe. I wouldn't be surprised if he is having second thoughts by now. 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Nov 2021, 09:49
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14 Nov 2021, 09:49#11

For Big Pharma it's profits. 

For the Globalist elites it's culling the herd and total control of the populace via the vaxx passport. 

Trump I believe ment well but got hoodwinked by the so called scientists around him courtesy of traitor Mike Pence. Trump says it has to be choice unlike that Marxist wannabe dictator and criminal  China Joe. I wouldn't be surprised if he is having second thoughts by now. 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Nov 2021, 19:23
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14 Nov 2021, 19:23#12

Boy you guys are seriously clueless. This is a virus like flu, it mutates. But unlike flu it’s very dangerous to a segment of the population. 

So we have vaccines miraculously developed in a short time. They were never claimed to be conclusive….at best a 95% protection was claimed….considerably less among older testers.

We were also warned very early that protection would fade over time.

All of this has happened and it looks like 6 month boosters might be needed for a while. Big deal. That’s also why those who have contracted the disease eventually need a vaccination.

The more we tamp down this thing, the lower the chance of a really dangerous variant. The more time we have the better the vaccinations will become and the more our resistance will build.

I agree with most of the points made in that article….and initially when death rates of 5% were being claimed I was from Missouri. I actually provided the first proof it was nonsense by developing the Diamond Princess projections.

There are a few dubious claims like Remdesivir  which is a drug company failure. But for the most part this is a sensible summary of the state of play. Trump is getting better advice than HasBeen-ou. Surprise!

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
14 Nov 2021, 21:07
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14 Nov 2021, 21:07#13

It appears that immunity wanes from both vaccines and past Covid infection. 
So, the argument that natural immunity from past infection is better is a myth, because herd immunity is a myth - especially if a new variant circulates. 

Draad claims to have had Covid twice, from different variants. So even this limited sample suggests that herd immunity between variants is non-existant.
As for everyone that Draad knows being infected, well it was probably Draad who infected them all (twice). 

It is certainly better to get Covid after being vaccinated, than without a vaccine. 
This gives the virus less chance to mutate. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Nov 2021, 06:55
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15 Nov 2021, 06:55#14

"Draad knows being infected, well it was probably Draad who infected them all (twice). "


No it wasn't...and I never claimed I had it twice...that was my wife. i was fine the second time.

My poin is that at R800 a test, or spending a whole day at a state hospital queue (while sick) a very large portion of South Africans were not tested...so the number is probably much larger than the official stats.

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
15 Nov 2021, 20:41
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15 Nov 2021, 20:41#15
Oh my fuck...in Vienna people that hasn’t received the vaccines are under lockdown, only allowed to go out for food.....what is happening in this world? What happened to free choice? Once you take this so called vaccine, you will have to keep on taking booster shots. ADE - antibody dependant enhancement, is a serious side effect.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Nov 2021, 13:47
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19 Nov 2021, 13:47#16

"Sero-prevalence surveys and other data indicate that an estimated 60% to 70% of the population has already contracted Covid-19, which together with vaccinations will provide protection from severe disease, the South African Covid-19 Modelling Consortium said in a online presentation on Wednesday..."

Link

See Snarkhole, it helps if you can think for yourself...

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
19 Nov 2021, 16:01
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19 Nov 2021, 16:01#17
Draad, it may well be that 70% of the population have had Covid or at least one brand from Covid.

As you mentioned, it is possible to catch other variants - even if you have already had Covid.
So, the immunity from being infected or the vaccine will decline over time. 

I would still rather get Covid after the vaccine, than before or without. Most people agree- at least the sensible ones. 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Nov 2021, 08:45
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20 Nov 2021, 08:45#18

Well, I had covid, so I don't see a compelling enough reason to get vaccinated just yet...and the irresponsible way they are pushing it for young kids makes me hot under the collar. 

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