3 Dead Head moves by Allende which cost possible tries in the first 6 minutes!

The 2010 Stormers side was the best Stormers side ever...if not for Soweto...and the ref.

JdV was streets ahead of Allende.....defensively, reading the game, scoring tries, passing, beating tackles. 

Coetzee was not a good head coach, but he proved he is better at orchestrating an attacking team with the Boks. You can't deny this, his Boks were a much productive attacking side. Give him Nienaber and things become interesting. The Stormers, in all the years Rassie has been involved with the Stormers have been a poor attacking side. All defence and set pieces. Rassie was touted as an ideas man, he hasn't lived up to that reputation. I find it ridiculous that everyone is straining so hard to rebrand him as something he isn't. Drop the fanboyism and we don't have any of these disagreements.

@Moz: I didn't regard Jean as a natural 12, but he was a very intelligent player. A very good reader of the game. I'd go so far as to say one of the most tactically aware Boks of all time. Physical and made a difference. Damian isn't even 2% of what Jean was. I f only we got more out of our golden generation. 

Here is the move Moz is talking about.

Frame 1: Willie gets, looks to exploit the gap between Farrell and Ford

Frame 2 (above): Illustrates what ideally should happen next. Willie splits the defenders, turns Farrell inside, Damian runs support on his outside, draws the wing inside, passes to Kolbe, Bob's your uncle.

Frame 3 (below): Instead, Damian for some reason turns inside and starts jogging behind Willie. The dotted line indicates what the more productive decision would have been.

Frame 4 (above): Kolbe now has to come inside off his wing to take the offload with Damian in no man's land.

Nice analysis Pakie....thanks for that. Why we can't operate at this enlightened level and have to grovel in emotional claptrap beats me. 

Er duh.....look at Willie when he is in the act of passing....Allende is 3 steps behind him, because he ran into Farrell's back. There never was  an inside pass available once Willie took the gap and even if there was, Willie was running with his back to the inside.

Nope he just had to hold station with Willie and take the pass. 

Always an excuse. Just like the Lood miss on the Wallaby 8. Embarrassing. My only surprise is that he didn't squeeze "yawn" and "class act" in there. 

Ok, DDA botched 3 tries...so actually the Boks should have won 53-12...impressive!!! So we are even better than I thought!...pity Jean works for Supersport, him being so much better than Damien...darn!!!!

Not a bad thought Dave, but I'm not sure either Ford or Farrell is out of commission if the inside pass goes. DA is quite a way behind them and neither is committed to Willie yet, Ford can change his line of running and at the moment this shot is taken Farrell starts veering inside as well, still ahead of DA who lost a lot of momentum when stepping inside.

Cole is coming across, a little deeper Vunipola is across in cover. The big chance was on the outside when Farrell was made to turn. While the inside pass looks tantalizing for a moment, I don't see it amounting to much more than getting us to the 22 right in the teeth of the England cover. England had no one covering wide behind May, Vunipola wouldn't have gotten across to Kolbe.

Nice to have an actual discussion though. The question is would DA have gotten clear enough outside of Farrell to accept the offload and give May just enough to think about to give Kolbe a sniff? Maybe, because Farrell is not known for tackling low, so get a bit of a fend on him, May starts to worry, sneak the offload ... worth a shot, especially as I don't think the inside pass was ever on in Willie's mind.

Willie had in effect beaten Ford and Farrell was turning inside to tackle him.. We knowWillie would have got the pass away because he got a pass away to the much more remote Kolbe. But Allende wasn't there because he had turned inside behind Farrell, where he was blocked......and slowed down.

 Even if the ball was passed to him, which would have been a dangerous no look backwards offload, he couldn't have got past Farrell. We know that because even without Farrell tackling him, he never found the space to get past Farrell and slowed down.

 So no Dave, there was no mileage in that inside cut and a try beckoning if he just supported Willie's run.

Damian flows away from the attacking movement. The space is outside Willie, not inside. If Damian gets an inside pass he inevitably takes contact. If he goes outside, it's a 2v1 giving Kolbe a great opportunity to attack. The Boks blow many opportunities to attack space, mismatches. Esterhuizen plays, and he goes outside and gets Kolbe away. The difference between a real centre and a pretender. 

The only trouble with that logic is he did turn inside and the move broke down....firstly because Willie knew nothing about it.....secondly because Farrell had already turned inside  and he got blocked.

And then .....he trotted behind the move! Disgraceful!

Okay this is going nowhere....

.....I think Farrell was forced to cover Willie and if Allende simply stayed on his path he would have been where Kolbe tried unsuccessfully to be, yielding an overlap and a good try scoring chance

......you for obvious reasons have to come up with a different theory, running back inside to get a no look offload from a player angled towards the touchline was the way to go....running away from open space towards the cover defence,

Regardless.....biting on Willie's slight dummy, the onlyplayer to do so....and then running into the back of your opponent took away any chance strategy 2 would work. We didn't score following Duds inside cut.

So it's either dumb decision making which I honestly believe or horrible execution.....your choice.

Mozart

Just one thought though - if it was not for the try scored by De Allende in the semi - the Springboks likely would not have been in the final.   I know you did not even mention the try after the semi  and then downplayed it as not really deserving praise for achievement.   

Normal style of yours - why should one accept your other stories about what De Allende did wrong in the final?    Really worthless stuff coming from prejudice.         

It's not open space to the tryline past Cole, Dave. Vunipola by that time would have been right in DA's running line coming across in cover, Daly was also hovering in the 22 near Vunipola. You can briefly see his boot at the edge of the screen minute 3:47. The inside line would have DA right into the cover defense around the 22. I also think, looking at the fact the Farrell stays ahead of DA throughout, he would been able to hassle DA on an inside pass as well.

But in the end it's all hypothetical, we can't accurately predict how things would have gone had different decisions been made. Interesting for discussion, though.

Dave

What else do you expect?  They have been talking Shit from the time Erasmus have been appointed.

Pakie

You know that old saying - If my auntie had balls, she would have been my uncle.  That showed the real value of IF and this whole thread is totally based on "IFF" and  being wise after the game after sitting studying the game and then try and find a means to belittle De Allende.  

At a later move De Allende ran past Vulipola - so you think it is impossible.   I am sorry - but this is another skyscraper of  Mozart and you fall for the shit ???????    

Duplicate.  

Any discussion about what could have happened is based on "if".

So it is really worthless theorizing and just a way of discrediting  a player the three of you fo r some reason hate.

So it is really worthless theorizing and just a way of discrediting  a player the three of you fo r some reason hate.

He visibly straightens up and slows down......then he trots behind the move. Why does he do that:

1 Two reasons.....he buys Willie's dummy, the only player to do that, which also demonstrates he knows Willie has no plan to pass to him on the inside.

2 He is in the same line as Farrell and has no path through.

This is just another hoax....he failed to run a supporting line. Check out Goodhue's line off the Barrett break in the RC, a very similar situation with Barret playing the role of Willie, Allende playing the role of Farrell and Goodhue playing the role of Allende.

Goodhue never tried to come inside, even though it would have been more justified. He cracked on the pace and was clear to take the obvious pass when it came. That's what Allende should have done...but perhaps he just didn't have enough confidence in his speed.

Pakie have you looked at the crash ball run into Itoje?

Mozart

Who scored the try that was needed to get the Springboks into the final and why did you discredit De Allende in scoring a very difficult try?