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A good summation of the Joubert blunder

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Oct 2015, 02:13
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19 Oct 2015, 02:13#1
Joubert shocker has Scotland fuming2015-10-18 19:38

Garrin Lambley - Sport24

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London - South Africa's Craig Joubert has come in for scything criticism of his handling of the Australia v Scotland Rugby World Cup quarter-final at Twickenham on Sunday.

As it happened: Australia v Scotland

Joubert's decision to award Australia a match-winning penalty for offsides in the 79th minute ultimately gave the Wallabies a 35-34 get-out-of-jail card.

But was it a penalty?

No, according to the law book.

Scotland may have knocked the ball on, but Wallaby replacement scrumhalf Nick Phibbs then touched the ball before Scotland replacement Jon Welsh played it - and was penalised for doing so.

The decision came minutes after a clear late interference by Australia's Drew Mitchell - for which the wing apologised - which went unpunished despite the largely Scottish 77 110 crowd baying for Joubert to refer to the TMO.

In a third contentious decision, in the 42nd minute of the match Joubert yellow-carded Scotland wing Sean Maitland for a deliberate foul which was harsh in the extreme.

Joubert, who felt the wrath of French supporters for his handling of the 2011 World Cup final in New Zealand, sprinted from the field after the final whistle, not sticking around to congratulate - nor commiserate - with either team, in a move that smacked of 'I've erred'.

Former Scotland legend Gavin Hastings, speaking on BBC Radio 5 said, "If I see referee Craig Joubert again, I am going to tell him how disgusted I am. It was disgraceful that he ran straight off the pitch at the end like that.

"The referee is not expected to make the right decision all the time. That's what the TMO system is in place for. This is the quarter-final of a Rugby World Cup. This is the highest end of our sport and they have to get these decisions right."

It remains to be seen whether Joubert will be seen again at this year's World Cup when appointments are made for the semi-finals, third/fourth playoff and final.

Sport24 Editor Garrin Lambley is covering the 2015 Rugby World Cup live from London.

Scorers:

Australia

Tries: Adam Ashley-Cooper, Drew Mitchell (2), Michael Hooper, Tevita Kuridrani
Conversions: Bernard Foley (2)
Penalties: Foley (2)

Scotland

Tries: Peter Horne, Tommy Seymour, Mark Bennett
Conversions: Greig Laidlaw (2)
Penalties: Laidlaw (5)

Teams:

Australia

15 Kurtley Beale, 14 Adam Ashley-Cooper, 13 Tevita Kuridrani, 12 Matt Giteau, 11 Drew Mitchell, 10 Bernard Foley, 9 Will Genia, 8 Ben McCalman, 7 Michael Hooper, 6 Scott Fardy, 5 Rob Simmons, 4 Kane Douglas, 3 Sekope Kepu, 2 Stephen Moore (captain), 1 Scott Sio

Substitutes: 16 Tatafu Polota-Nau, 17 James Slipper, 18 Greg Holmes, 19 Dean Mumm, 20 Sean McMahon, 21 Nick Phipps, 22 Matt Toomua, 23 Quade Cooper

Scotland

15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Mark Bennett, 12 Pete Horne, 11 Tommy Seymour, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Greig Laidlaw (captain), 8 Dave Denton, 7 John Hardie, 6 Blair Cowan, 5 Richie Gray, 4 Tim Swinson, 3 Willem Nel, 2 Fraser Brown, 1 Alasdair Dickinson

Substitutes: 16 Kevin Bryce, 17 Gordon Reid, 18 Jon Welsh, 19 Alasdair Strokosch, 20 Josh Strauss, 21 Henry Pyrgos, 22 Richie Vernon, 23 Sean Lamont

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
19 Oct 2015, 07:38
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19 Oct 2015, 07:38#2
 Cloudy, there is some talk about TMO protocols and apparently this incident did not fit the criteria for a TMO review. To me the ref should have asked for a TMO review as the game was too important. If he did the Ozzie would have been complaining as bitterly as the Scots are now. Its a tough life being a ref .

"the official World Cup guideline states the TMO can be used only in the following circumstances:

1) Determining the grounding of the ball in-goal for a try or touchdown and/or whether players were in touch or touch in goal before grounding.

2) Determining whether a kick at goal has been successful.

3) Confirm if an infringement has occurred in the build-up to a try or prevention of a try (infringement must be within two phases of the try or touchdown).

4) Considering acts of possible foul play.

Joubert would have been acting well outside the rules if he had used the TMO."


TMO protocols as cited in NZ Herald

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Oct 2015, 07:51
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19 Oct 2015, 07:51#3
 I thought mailland knocked the ball down. It was bit reflex but a knock down it was.
Craig made a mistake and didnt refer it because of the protocol. Hard luck Scotland.
Craig is smart enough to know he had to get off the park quickly as the haggis bashers would be after him and sure enough he had a bottle thrown at him.To make any other insinuation is a consequence of the inabilty to handle over heated emotions! Dr Mozzzz please note! 
This was nothing like the last RWC debacle where Criag had a shocker repeatedly favouring Nz. and robbing France of a  RWC win.
What worries me is how things keep favourig the two down under rogues of rugby.
I just hope this as a genuine error and wasnt bent reffing! Craig disgraced us in the last RWC cup but here we need to be a bit more careful in assessing matters. We must not be drwan into down under cheating at any price.
Beeno fair to a fault!

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
19 Oct 2015, 07:55
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19 Oct 2015, 07:55#4
 I have no problem with Joubert getting off the field as soon as he could. He was smart enough to know that some nuts in the crowd could turn violent. Whatever way he ruled on that last play there would be nutters out there who would be violent. He was smart to get out of there.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Oct 2015, 08:17
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19 Oct 2015, 08:17#5
 My coaching of JW is paying some dividends at last. 
However JW when you quote me please refeerence your source!
Lady Cloudy exhibiting some good common sense.
Now if only these to kiwis could apply this same common sense to the last RWC final. Its amazing how then they completely falter and fall.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
19 Oct 2015, 09:30
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19 Oct 2015, 09:30#6

 ..Rumour has it Joubert's gone in to hiding for a few hundred years ...


 

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
19 Oct 2015, 10:12
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19 Oct 2015, 10:12#7
 I must stand up for Mr Craig Joubert. He is a Gentleman and he is still a Top Referee. Maitlands knock on prevented a certain Wallabies try (I cant believe I am defending the Walabies) and the Scotts Forward caught the ball in an offside position.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Oct 2015, 10:30
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19 Oct 2015, 10:30#8
 Brycy, there is no way CJ is a vamp. Can't even see a real bloodsucker swooping as low as giving him a bite in the neck. He will take up residence in his new villa in Perth though.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Oct 2015, 13:21
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19 Oct 2015, 13:21#9
A foul on Hogg that wasn't called.....followed by a non offside that was called. I'm not saying it  was cheating....I'm saying it was gross incompetence and imprudent haste. The TMO was quite proactive up until those two blunders, where he was awol.
They should know they cost Scotland their best moment in 120 years of international rugby. 
Cloudy it's hard to be measured in the face of such injustice. Beeno is bleating on here but I personally think this was a worse failure of reffing than the Lawrence debacle.
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