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A very interesting Folau article

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Jul 2019, 10:34
#81
07 Jul 2019, 10:34#81
Draad you stupid prick I don’t need a law degree to state the obvious. Highlighting the fact that gays will go to hell if they don’t repent in the name of some pathetic archaic book is discrimination of the highest order. The homophobic twat quoted the pathetic scriptures for a purpose - he used them as a tool to point fingers and discriminate against gay people. Wake up to the obvious
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Jul 2019, 10:57
#82
07 Jul 2019, 10:57#82
Clown you thick shit you are too stupid to realise that by admitting you never had to make a choice as to your sexuality and that it came naturally to you, you are admitting that this is the natural course for all mankind. If you were never faced with the choice regarding your sexuality then why do you think gay people are? What it’s telling you dumbfuck is that being gay is not a choice and that it comes naturally to them as it did to you and I. You are born gay and that’s a fact. As for gay people hiding, what decade are you living in huh? Today’s youth are fully accepting of gay people because they no longer follow like sheep, they question and have long come to realise how archaic and laughable religion is. The internet has broadened their horizons - they challenge social norms, they seek material evidence to prove points. There is no material evidence to prove Gods existence so why on earth would they seek guidance and confirmation from his out of touch scriptures or should I say scriptures belonging to who exactly?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Jul 2019, 11:36
#83
07 Jul 2019, 11:36#83

saffexperv go and watch the clip on Beeno's Trumpet where Folau's critics are answered. The section on whether Folau discriminated against others is excellent.

Man you are a thick bigoted plank. Wise up you nutjob.

We have a choice to murder, to steal, to covet our nevgbours goods etc etc. God calls Homsexuality a sin and calls upon homosexuals to repent. Many have and give testimony as to how they stopped being homsexuals. Wise up doofus you clearly don't know what you are talking about once again.

A while back i posted details regarding how the youth are turning against LGBT despite globalist brain washing.. Heck why wouldn't they given how brazen these pervs have become and how disgusting all this trans stuff is, competing against women etc is. Only a serious perv wouldn't be turned off by the LGBT pedophile community.

Your rage and frothing at the mouth about all this gives you aways saffexperv!

Just about to post a clip, perhaps the most devastating clip ever, on why Darwinism is a complete and utter fraud. Clip is by a Chemistry and Nano Engineering Professor. Any atheist watching this clip to the end will be completely shattered. Seriously, it is truly devastating. Be assured they mostly don't have the guts to watch, far too scared. imagine living your life being too afraid the truth may be idly against you. Running scared from all the evidence.

Meanwhile the ignorant boneheaded saffexperv thinks the universe created itself out of nothing Hahahahahahhahahahahahaha. Always cracks me up!

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Jul 2019, 14:00
#84
07 Jul 2019, 14:00#84
There is not one single person who has stopped being gay and if they maintain they are they are lying to themselves you stupid prick. Who gives a fuck what God says, who is God, he does not exist unless you can provide material evidence that he does. If he did exist and discriminated against gays then he is one worthless prick like you are. As for Folau or anyone of the like winning any case, there is no chance in hell. Of course the stupid prick is discriminating against gays given him quoting discriminatory garbage for a purpose - what the fuck up you ignorant homophobic twat
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Jul 2019, 14:21
#85
07 Jul 2019, 14:21#85

Blah blah blah goes Saffex perv. Being a "lawyer" (hard to believe) you should know Folau has a very sound case.

You make no comment about the British Folau case and most likely have no clue how and why the judge ruled in this black stundets favour setting a precedent for Australia. 

You also didn't look at the clip by that Chemistry Nano Engineering Prof that completely decimated Darwinian theory.  Too scared to view the clip as I predicted. 

Next you claim there is no God but think it's entirely reasonable to accept the universe created itself out of nothing. 

The evidence for a created universe is overwhelming and all you have is a lot of BS and hot air. 

Face facts Saffex perv your violent objection to Folau has everything to do with your being a raving queer and an anti free speech fascist. An atheist loon hating God, His people and His Word. 

Best you take Folau's Biblical message to repent. Your extreme foolishness spells disaster. 

One thing I agree with is that there is no chance in HELL of Folau winning his case. It's the only place  where Folau definitely would lose as this actually is the sourse of the problem. 

The LGBT movement want to make men homosexuals or trans women  and make women lesbians or trans men. Thereby overturning God's natural order. 

Pervs like you Dave are so far gone you buy into all this. Very sick.




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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Jul 2019, 21:32
#86
07 Jul 2019, 21:32#86
Beenkop there is more chance in me accepting that the universe started from nothing than believing in some fairytale God, who given the lack of evidence of his existence might as well be nothing himself, which he is. He is nothing for he does not exist. You keep banging on about a British Folau setting a precedent - what the fuck are you on about you idiot? Since when does any ruling in the UK set a precedent for a ruling in Oz you dumbfuck? All I know is stupid ignorant pricks like yourself and Folau serve only to highlight the non existence of God. If there was a God he would not discriminate against gay people and nor would he allow the sexual assault on a 3 month old baby. Folau is history and thankfully so, the idiot is no longer worthy of a platform - he is dead to this world
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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
07 Jul 2019, 22:25
#87
07 Jul 2019, 22:25#87

The bigot Christians element like to damn people to hell. This makes them feel elevated as if they worthy of God's criteria, and they can continue to live here on earth with that consolation.  

A pity the other sins are not given the same attention- either in theoretical discussions or in practice of day to day life.  The LGBT are just weaker targets, so the happy clappies jump all over this sin.  

If there is a heaven, Beeno would be the last one to make the grade.







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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
07 Jul 2019, 23:13
#88
07 Jul 2019, 23:13#88

The unholy Folau quagmire and the living hell for gay people

I f every biblical injunction stood today, Christians would still advocate slavery. Why in God's name is it OK for Folau to tell gays they're going to hell?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jul 2019, 23:53
#89
07 Jul 2019, 23:53#89
Abolitionism, or the abolitionist movement, was the movement to end slavery. This term can be used both formally and informally. In Western Europe and the Americas, abolitionism was a historic movement that sought to end the Atlantic slave trade and set slaves free. King Charles I of Spain, usually known as Emperor Charles V, was following the example of Louis X of France, who had abolished slavery within the Kingdom of France in 1315. He passed a law which would have abolished colonial slavery in 1542, although this law was not passed in the largest colonial states, and it was not enforced as a result. In the late 17th century, the Roman Catholic Church officially condemned the slave trade in response to a plea by Lourenço da Silva de Mendouça, and it was also vehemently condemned by Pope Gregory XVI in 1839. The abolitionist movement only started in the late 18th century, however, when English and American Quakers began to question the morality of slavery. ' ........ The level of ignorance is stunning.....the anti slavery movement has it's roots in religion.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Jul 2019, 00:59
#90
08 Jul 2019, 00:59#90

This is interesting, if there is no creator, there is no morality. So, in that case, why is there any regard for anything or anyone? There is no meaning to a life, there is no consequence for anything we do now. So why care? To take up a moral position on that premise is highly flawed. Irrational emotionalism? So that's the "logical" position? 

The tension between Biblical Christianity and absolute atheism isn't to do with Christian's heckling, but the fight between the atheist and his/her own conscience. To embrace the fact that they may be held accountable is highly unfavourable. To embrace actual morality is highly unfavourable. So we end with a cumbersome hierarchy of accepted codes of conduct with a loophole for the individual. Absolute atheism will always manifest itself in injustice, violence, self-destruction and corruption. Hence neo-paganism is so attractive, the deification of man. We could review the contents of its theology, whether it be Blavatsky, Crowley, La Vey, Bailey, Pike, Mackey et al. The founding of Globalism. 

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
08 Jul 2019, 01:20
#91
08 Jul 2019, 01:20#91

Get a grip mozart .....  its about the modern day interpretation of biblical injunctions, not who's responsible for the abolition of slavery.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jul 2019, 05:38
#92
08 Jul 2019, 05:38#92
No major or minor modern day religion advocates slavery.....that's even more absurd Blob.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Jul 2019, 08:28
#93
08 Jul 2019, 08:28#93

Typical Beeno response

If you don't support Folau, you are a "raving queer"

Boy is this guy the perfect example of a Christian

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Jul 2019, 09:35
#94
08 Jul 2019, 09:35#94

"Boy is this guy the perfect example of a Christian"

There are no such thing. People are people. Christianity believes in a higher purpose than pure chance and order from chaos. Members of the faith have the same failings as non believers.  Typecasting and branding people has lead to much suffering in the past...and it seems like the world is heading for a massive conflict soon...The Stand comes to mind.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Jul 2019, 10:00
#95
08 Jul 2019, 10:00#95

"There are no such thing"

Really...……. just ask Beeno yourself..... because he will tell you straight up that he is better than you or anyone else on this forum, who does not believe the same that he does, and that if you don't agree with his way, you are a sick pervert who would gladly sit by and watch a mother deliberately kill her 3 children

That is the stance that you take Draad, when a fellow Christian like Beeno says shit like that to people who don't agree with his Christian view or opinion...….and you say absolutely nothing at all about it...… and I already know your reply...…….. Oh..... I don't read or see everything on here

It's the perfect out for you..... always is

Watching and allowing a mother deliberately kill her 3 children...…. that is what posters here will definitely do, according to Beeno……..

Now that is fucked up...… but go ahead and support your chomma


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Jul 2019, 10:22
#96
08 Jul 2019, 10:22#96
The Bible condones slavery.
I'm sure even stupid people know that the Old Testament is full of references to slaves - from when Ham saw his father Noah naked and all of his descendants were cursed to be slaves to Abraham being blessed with male and female slaves to the Laws relating to how slaves should be treated - but there are several references in the New Testament as well.
Ephesians 6: 5-8 "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free."
Ephesians 6: 9 "And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him."
1 Peter 2: 18 "Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."
Colossians 4: 1 "Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven."
No-one is saying that there weren't Christian abolitionists but if you're taking the bible literally (as Folau does and as Baboon-ou and Klown do) then the Bible does condone slavery.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Jul 2019, 11:07
#97
08 Jul 2019, 11:07#97

Oh dear ou rooitwit pushes out his old tired BS on this topic once again. How many times does one have to explain this to this brain dead  nutjob. Yaaawn.

At least he now recognises it was Christians who fought to get slavery abolished. What confuses him is that he thinks the Bible supports slavery but Christians fought against slavery. Rooitwit thinks Christians were actually going against the Bible. He doesn't understand the scriptures he reads and ignores one's saying where slaves were able they should strive to have their status changed to free men. He makes no mention that in the year of Jubilee slaves were a to be set free but could choose whether to stay with the families they were part of and many stayed. 

Rooitwit has had a this and much more explained to him but again he tries to trash the Bible and God's people. Which of course is poor rooitwit's obsession. 

All this leaves poor rooitwit so confused, which of course is his usual state of being. 

By the way rooitwit your take on Trump has again made you a laughing stock - see Beeno's Trumpet. Hahahahaha. 


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Jul 2019, 11:14
#98
08 Jul 2019, 11:14#98
Wehe . . . biblical quotes are now "tired old BS"?
Noted.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Jul 2019, 11:21
#99
08 Jul 2019, 11:21#99

DAPERV  your constant support of your fellow pervs has been noted as well as your failure to condemn the assault on children of said pervs, transgenderism, men competing against men, abortion and infanticide. 

Instead of speaking out consistently against these things you attack a man quoting the Bible calling on the pervs to repent so they can avoid Hell, a real place where they are heading. 

You fail to recognize the obvious fact that there could be no greater act of hate not to warn the perv brigade of an impending disaster and the way out. 

Then you go on to claim that I think I am better than everyone Dispite my saying repeatedly I am a sinner saved by grace alone. So yet again you get it all wrong. Bwhahahahaha. 

Daperv you should by now know you are on the wrong side and that you have made a complete jackass if yourself. Why you so doggedly persist in this foolishness is amazing. 

But I give credit where it's due at least you were not as stupid as pissmint re President Trump. Well done oak. 


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jul 2019, 11:31
#100
08 Jul 2019, 11:31#100
Fuck it Beenkop how stupid are you? Rooi has just quoted loads of biblical passages advocating slavery and you are trying to tell us the opposite. Stop making a fool of yourself you idiot Talk us through priests sexually assaulting young boys So you are a sinner saved by grace? How fucking convenient that is. So you commit a sin and pray for forgiveness and that sin just disappears? And you want us to believe there is a God?
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Jul 2019, 11:45
#101
08 Jul 2019, 11:45#101
Saffex, Baboon-ou has just denounced the bible as "tired old BS". Maybe he's finally grown up and realised his little book of fairytales is exactly that . . . either that or he's too stupid to read.
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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
08 Jul 2019, 11:49
#102
08 Jul 2019, 11:49#102

Rooinek sticking on the slave road again because his hands are empty.......boring.

They are so silent of the British Folau and the Tongan Folau's team mates because this fact could also be brought up in the federal courts against the goth woman.(racist intolerance)

Homosexuality is illegal in Tonga but not forced in the courts....... yet the ARU wants to enforce their sodomist agenda on Folau.He's written plenty about the gospel in his social media but all hell broke loose when the reference to their agenda came to the fore.



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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Jul 2019, 11:54
#103
08 Jul 2019, 11:54#103

Que?

Goonrover, what does "sticking on the slave road" mean?

If you mean I'm making an issue of slavery "again" then kindly point out where I've even mentioned it before. Thanks in anticipation.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Jul 2019, 12:12
#104
08 Jul 2019, 12:12#104

Saffexperv arrives and immediately shows his incredible ignorance. If this bird brain is a lawyer it's about conveyancing or standard wills which you can print out ad nauseum!

Would you have ou Saffex perv as your lawyer. Hahahaha. 

Saffex slavery was entrenched in the Roman Empire. Christian at that time were a very small minority. It was in the best interests for slaves to do their jobs properly. Just common sense. Masters were called upon to treat their slaves well. Some slaves rose to great prominence and ran the affairs of the estate, were highly educated and valued.

I have already vehemently condemned these infiltrating false shepherds molesting children. Jesus warned about false shepherds  and if course he was spot on. Look no further than that false shepherd Pope Francis. 

Now suddenly you are pretending to be up in arms regarding these scumbag priests BUT are totally against Folau giving a Biblical warning against the pervs who are well known for molesting children.

Right now the well known perv Epstein has been arrested in New York. 

Do you see what a hopeless bundle of contradictions you are. Just admit your concern is NOT about the children Saffex perv but about attacking anybody who says anything against the LGBT perversion. Oh how you would love to shut them up. But you can't. Darn!!!

Saffex perv nobody is good enough to enter Heaven. Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay a price for our sins. He never had to do this. It was the Supreme act of love. He gives the gift of salvation to all who would believe. "For by Grace have you been saved, not works, lest any man should boast"

Grace is UNMERITED Favour. That is why no Christian can ever boast about being good enough to go to Heaven. Hence the monumental error of daperv. 

My sin oh my sin what a glorious thought are Nailed to His cross and I bear it no more. 

Were my tears to ever flow and my zeal no respite know; all for  sin could not atone. Thou must SAVE  and Thou alone. What a wonderful Savior!!!!

Time to wise up Saffex, you last beat may come quicker than you think. 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Jul 2019, 12:16
#105
08 Jul 2019, 12:16#105

Rooitwit your going on about slavery again and again must be a ploy to get me wasting my time. 

Go and look what was posted you lazy, boring, silly old toad!

These sodomites will keep defending their perversion. 


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Jul 2019, 12:16
#106
08 Jul 2019, 12:16#106
So instead of answering my simple question, Goon just continues editing his post and adding new unrelated and irrelevant rubbish.
Seems to me all these bible-bashers have one thing in common . . . they're craven cowards who love to stamp their feet and demand answers to their stupid questions but they don't acknowledge when their questions are answered and they point blank refuse to answer any questions themselves.
Baboon-ou, Klown, Draadtrekker, Tit and now Goon . . . they're all the same. Maybe our god-squad is just a particularly lily-livered bunch of spineless wimps but it seems to be a pattern that the more fervently you bash the bible the more likely you are to be a snivelling coward with zero backbone.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Jul 2019, 12:17
#107
08 Jul 2019, 12:17#107

"and ignores one's saying where slaves were able they should strive to have their status changed to free men"

And the one's that were not able to ?

Why did God not make them able, since he made everyone equal?

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Jul 2019, 12:20
#108
08 Jul 2019, 12:20#108
"Rooitwit your going on about slavery again and again . . ."
What I said about slavery being condoned in the bible is a perfectly valid point in the context of this discussion and as for bring it up "again and again", where have I mentioned it even once before?
I suspect you'll do a Goon and go tremble like a jellyfish rather than answering the question . . . but let's see if you're less of a snivelling coward, Baboon-ou.
The bible condones slavery. The point that blobbok made at 23h13 on July 07 is accurate and relevant and that was what I was responding to.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Jul 2019, 12:23
#109
08 Jul 2019, 12:23#109

 "It was in the best interests for slaves to do their jobs properly"

 "Just common sense"

"Masters were called upon to treat their slaves well"

Ok, so in Beeno's own words, God created slaves...… because it just made common sense...….. just as long as the Masters treated them well, because they were called upon to do so.

LMFAO

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Jul 2019, 12:30
#110
08 Jul 2019, 12:30#110

Hahahahaha ou rooiperv in complete freak out mode.

Your questions which are really attacks have been answered many times you silly old coot.

Christians have been thrown to the lions and burnt at the stake. 

How about you snowflake. 

Your complete breakdown over Folau shows what a perv you are.  Now the genie can't be put back in the bottle. You have been outed. 

What a disaster this whole Folau issue has been already been for the pervs. 2 million dollars raised in 2 days. Man they can fight the pervs running the Oz rugby indefinitely. That FREAK NZ goth woman now has a tiger by the tail. LMAO!! 

Wonder if they will now try to settle out of court. Abject apology and 10 million to Izzy. It would save them millions in legal fees. But Folau should not go that route. Win in court, public humiliation and a great precedent in case the pervs attack again. 


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Jul 2019, 12:33
#111
08 Jul 2019, 12:33#111
Just answer the simple question you weak-arsed little coward.
Baboon-ou still calling other posters "pervs" after posting his late-night drunken fantasy about being pegged by Raelene Castle. Ugh!
LMAO!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jul 2019, 12:45
#112
08 Jul 2019, 12:45#112
False shepherd - bwhaaahaaa what a fucking joke Beenkop - you have to love your pathetic double standards and the stinking hypocrisy of your faith. No wonder churches are closing down left right and centre. It’s only the old farts and conservative narrow minded twits that follow like sheep. The informed youth of today cannot be bothered with the fairytale bullshit
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Jul 2019, 13:16
#113
08 Jul 2019, 13:16#113

You probably don't know Saffex perv that orthodox Catholics and orthodox Catholic theologians are calling the frot Pope a heretic. They want him gone along with his pedophile false priests.

Your ignorance of course in these matters is profound and also very stupid. The Bible condemns homosexuality warning that those who practice it will not enter the Kingdom of God. Yet in your profound stupidity you think these pedophile priests are genuine priests Bwhahahahaha you can't make up this drivel!

Dead Churches are indeed having poor attendances. And that is great as they preach a load of crud. But new ones are flourishing. The youth are coming to Christ in droves. Again your reduculous notions come  from the atheist globalist controlled press and so are clueless. 

Bet you were one of the hapless buffoons who thought Trump had a 2% chance of winning Hahahahaha how funny was that. You probably also though Trump was a Russian asset and swallowed that bull hook line and sinker like your dumbass buddy rooiperv.

The worst thing about all this is you pervs never learn. 

By the way a recent poll in the USA showed the young are turning against the LGBT pervs. Tough on ya Saffex perv. Time you repented. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jul 2019, 16:03
#114
08 Jul 2019, 16:03#114
Don’t lie Beenkop the youth are not going to church. Churches are populated by the odd middle aged and mostly by the old. Most churches struggle to fill a quarter of their capacity. You are lying about the USA youths turning against gay people. Do you think that by lying you somehow carry more credibility. You sound desperate you pathetic waste of space. Your pathetic religion is a dying art. The informed seek material evidence of the existence of things - there is no such material evidence of your God. People aren’t stupid enough to believe in fiction or even worse be defined by it. But the likes of you and Folau serve to only confirm and highlight what a pathetic and hypocritical load of bullshit religion is. Your type help to turn the youth away from religion. Keep up the good work
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jul 2019, 16:32
#115
08 Jul 2019, 16:32#115
'There were Christian abolitionists'....too funny.....given the historical timing almost every abolitionist was a Christian. And here's the thing......the people who formed the most famous slave community in the world, the blacks in America, are a very religious group still today. So why would they be supporting a religion that supposedly enslaved them? They wouldn't. The depth of commitment to the Church among black Americans is a recognition on their part of the role the Church played in freeing them. More nonsense from the ignorant.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jul 2019, 17:21
#116
08 Jul 2019, 17:21#116
Anyone defined by religion is weak in my books. They require a crutch to lean on - they can’t fend for themselves. They kid themselves that pray will help in times of need.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Jul 2019, 17:29
#117
08 Jul 2019, 17:29#117

"Crutch to lean on"

In what book did you read that? It's a common term used by Atheists to describe religion, so logic would sugest that Dawkins or some other leading atheist came up with the term...or was it back in Voltaire's day already?

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jul 2019, 17:35
#118
08 Jul 2019, 17:35#118
I never read it, it’s my interpretation of the reliance on a fictitious entity.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Jul 2019, 17:55
#119
08 Jul 2019, 17:55#119

OK, if you say so...it's a common term though....and it was a honest curious question, thanks for the straight answer.

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
08 Jul 2019, 18:13
#120
08 Jul 2019, 18:13#120

If you have an opinion about something being right or wrong, then you check the Bible and it is not consistent with your belief - do you reject this one particular recommendation by the Bible, or do you change your own belief system to be in line with the Bible?

For example, if you believe that slavery in any form is not acceptable, do you change your mind that slavery is an acceptable practice.

Modern-day democratic laws are far more advanced than say the 10 commandments (in morals and intellect). There is a minimum wage law to prevent slavery as by current day standards it is unacceptable.

If Folau said that the medical team and bus drivers are slaves to the rugby team, and should be treated this way because of his beliefs in the Bible, should everyone just go along with it to respect the beliefs of Folau?  

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