Folau was simply offering the gospel truth to set slaves to sin free.The ARU and certain atheists(not all since I see at least one contributed to his cause of free speech) are against certain percentage of these slaves being set free.
He is still the greatest receiver of the high ball and the ARU tried to scare him,idiots.
Saffex perv you can go to Beeno:s Trumpet and near the bottom (about 6 from the bottom) you will find my post about the poll showing youth turning against LGBT.
So tell me who is lying you daft hatter.
The incredible acts of courage of Christians through the centuries are legendary snowflake. A pumped up fat doughnut like you hardly inspires a vision of courage.
What do you think caused Christians to fight against slavery you hatter.
Who instituted slavery. Godless freaks who did not value their fellow man, not accepting ALL men are made in God's image, an image now distorted by sin.
Who can forget that trophy of Grace the slave trader John Newton who got wonderfully saved and wrote the great hymn Amazing Grace. Of course he ceased his slave trading activities immediately.
The most hideous tyrants in recent history were atheists - Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Etc
When you place no value on human life you start also to murder infants like the atheists are doing today. 63 million since 1970 in the USA alone. Now the atheists are murdering children born alive.
Nope not a pretty advertisement for atheism. They also hate free speech and democracy. Hence Antifa and censorship. What a bunch!
Shark, the Bible accepts slavery and set some guidelines for how to deal with it. I suspect lots are lost in translation, but slavery is wrong, no matter how you look at it. I also suspect that the Biblical practice of slavery and the common excepted modern meaning are 2 entirely different things. If you look at the Gospels, it is my opinion that the core of the message is tolerance and service to others...selflessness...human dignity...the very essence of human rights and democracy....also interesting to note that the very hight of secular freedom under the law and the hight of modern civilization occurs in previous religious countries....and those silly religious rednecks in the US of A are still the muscle behind NATO...the protectors of the free world...beware what you wish for to come to an end. You might not like the end result...if not for those pesky Yanks, German might have been the only official language in Europe??? Or not?
saffexperv before posting your usual uninformed BS how about you going to Beeno's Trumpet and and actually seeing details of the poll. Why in the world would decent sane young people want to be some trans perve or homosexual perv like you. No ways!!!! Get real saffex.
You do know the LGBT community only number 4.5 % of the population. No despite massive efforts by Globalist MSM to brainwash the population re the the virtues of what is a perversion fok are not buying it.
Saffexperv you pervs will always be a small minority. Best you don't antagonize the vast majority if you know whats best for you. Most importantly leave our children alone pervs!
Slavery is not consistent with the most exalted level of Christian doctrine. The teaching of Christ contained the moral seeds that eventually would abolish the institution in the hearts of those influenced by the true Master (cf. Mt. 7:12; Col. 4:1).
Hebrew law was not designed to violently disrupt the master-servant relationship of the ancient world in the abbreviated period of time that it was in force. However, the Mosaic regime did embrace certain restraining measures that gradually would bring the institution into disrepute — especially with the coming of Christianity.
As William Barclay once observed, “There are some things which cannot be suddenly achieved, and for which the world must wait, until the leaven works.”
In this connection, the New Testament book of Philemon ought to be carefully studied. It concerns the case of a runaway slave named Onesimus.
Onesimus had fled from his master, Philemon, who lived in the city of Colossae. The refugee had made his way to Rome where he came in contact with the apostle Paul.
Paul led him to the truth of the gospel of Christ. Onesimus became an asset to the apostle, who was a prisoner in chains, awaiting the disposition of his fate before Caesar. Paul had been falsely charged by the Jews in Palestine, and so appealed his case to Rome.
In view of the social and political circumstances of the day, Paul determined that the proper thing for Onesimus to do would be to return to his master. Onesimus obviously conceded to the plan and, in the company of Tychicus (cf. Col. 4:9), the two embarked upon the journey back to Asia.
They took with them a short letter written by Paul (Philemon — the briefest of all the apostle’s writings), which was a commendation of Onesimus, the slave. But it was also an appeal to Philemon to receive the fugitive back, viewing him “no longer as a slave, but more than a slave.”
The petition suggested that it would be ideal if Philemon would embrace him as a “beloved brother, especially to me, but now much more to you” (Phile. 16). Paul does not command, “free him,” but that implied action saturates the disposition of his request.
There probably has been no single document in the history of humanity that has done more to pave the way for the abolition of human enslavement that Paul’s letter to Philemon. D. Edmond Hiebert has summarized the matter beautifully.
“This epistle has exerted a profound impact upon the movement of the amelioration of social conditions. Dealing with a problem arising out of the institution of slavery, it has figured prominently in the controversy about slavery. The manner in which Paul treats the problem of Onesimus indicates the way in which Christianity grappled with the evils of human society. To have directly antagonized the institution of human slavery, inwrought as it was in the very warp and woof of the Roman Empire, would have stigmatized Christianity as being anti-social, and would have turned all the powers of the Empire against it in an effort to crush such teachings. In stead of making a frontal attack upon the institution of slavery, Christianity inculcated a spirit of love and consideration which ultimately meant the death-knell of that institution” (1977, pp. 248-249).
No one, who considers all the evidence, and puts the matter into a proper historical perspective, can legitimately fault the biblical record with reference to the issue of human bondage.
Beenz, what do I hear about a mother killing 3 of her kids and all non Christians condo ning it? What's up with that? Sounds like nonsense ....explain.please, I missed it.
A better question is when did you decide to be a perve saffexperv. Nobody is born a perv after all.
Another question is when do you intend to stop being a perv Saffexperv. You know it's wrong!
Where is your proof these pervs have no choice. There is certainly no genetic proof. God calls on them to repent so it must be a fair requirement. Of course dumb as you are you think you know better!
As for the KKK you can hardly find them in America these days so chances of them effecting the poll is about zero. Hahahaha saffexperv is as thick as a plank.
The KKK was the armed wing of your favorite USA political party - the demonrats. Suck it up snowflake you are making a complete twit of yourself as per usual. Hahahahahahaha!!!
Beano, you're a toe-rag that deserves to be turned into a pillar of salt ..... vok & an evil advocate for Christianity.
The demonrats were the party of slavery, the Jim Crow laws and the KKK.
Hillary Clinton paid tribute to her beloved mentor Robert Byrd a Grand Wizard of the Clan.
Just so you know.
Also of interest is that Bill Clinton, according to the flight logs, bordered pedophiles Jeff Epstein's plane the Lolita Express 27 times enroute to Pedophile Island.
Epstein has just been arrested by the NYPD.
As one demonrat said many of our favs could be in trouble.
The demonrats are sinking in their sewer!
No wonder ou Saffex perv loves them so!!!
f it's the main sponsor Quantas who want Folau's head on a platter then why do they discriminate against Christianity and not Islam which is the religion of their partnerships in the Middle East?Another case of the pot calling the kettle black.
People enjoy their guilty through associating thing.
So this player is directly involved in his declarations and this direct implication must be countered by various levels in association.
It must be followed along.
This rugby player is associated to RA (that hired him)
RA is associated to an air company (that acts as a sponsor and happens to be led by an homosexual)
That air company is associated to a middle east air company through partnership, a company that happens not to discriminate against homosexuals.
That air company is associated to a government that discriminates against homosexuals.
All the levels in association.
RA(does not discriminate homosexuals) associated to air company (does not discriminate homosexuals) associated to air company (does not discriminate homosexuals) associated to government (does discriminate homosexuals)
This coming from SAns whose former voted in government is now known as having deliberately spread aids in order to keep their grip on power.
Living people in SA are associated directly to that type of government. They voted in those guys.
Guilty from association, yes, but from first degree.
What is being tested here IS NOT whether he was in breach of contract. What IS being tested is whether the contractual limitation was legitimate.
So there is a breach.
Religious freedom is similar.
No it is not. Banning people from voting would be similar from banning people from having a religion.
Not the case. On the other hand, hirers are entitled to suppress the expressions of political views through contract. Which is similar.
Asking for funding was a shrewd move. By doing so Folau was able to test how much support he has among the general public, to make that public support very visible, and to increase the heat on the ARU. Law must align with the fundamental moral convictions of the community from which it originates
The ARU sets out a code of values. The community that supports ARU is not supposed to bear different values.
It was a shrewd move to protect the player's assets.
This guy has fame and monetized his public profile. He got a pay increase on this basis. His public image was bound.
He did not have to breach his contract to dispute the legitimacy of his. Starting by not renewing it would have been a move (but greed)
Using a petition to measure popular support would also be on the table (but greed)
By the way, unknown people collect more money through crowdfunding than this guy.
That freedom of speech thing is baseless. In SA, the rugby community would not bear a high profile rugby player promoting relentlessly another sport like football. A guy doing this would be trashed.
Even though it would be a capitalistic move to do.
This coming from SAns whose former voted in government is now known as having deliberately spread aids in order to keep their grip on power.
Living people in SA are associated directly to that type of government. They voted in those guys.
Guilty from association, yes, but from first degree.
BS. Put up some hard evidence...and you must remember that the overwhelming majority voted out Apartheid in 92....but go ahead and spread your anti-South African hate...that chip on your shoulder burns like a hellfire...enjoy the agony coward.
Beeno
How about answering Db's question about the mother and her 3 kids
Maybe provide some insight into your astounding stupidity
The Traditonalist....so how does Article 772 of the Fair Workers Act fit into your viewpoint?It says nobody should be discriminated against on basis of religion.Does a verbal threat constitute a by-pass of Article 772.In SA as well as most countries Folau would win his case hands down
.Why should Folau censor his religious quotes from the Bible and because Rugby Australia has now judged God is the Bible banned from the stadium change room(bear in mind many people have a Bible on their phones now)
Saffex perv you are born normal. You then later at some point decide to turn perv.
It's a bit like a drug addict. You are not born a drug addict. You choose to become a drug addict. You can also choose to stop being a drug addict.
So the only choice being exercised are by those who choose to become pervs.
Jeffery Epstein wasn't born a pedophile he chose to become one.
So again I ask. When Saffex peeve did you choose to become a pedophile.
As for blobbok they called Christ Belzebub (a demon) and they crucified Him. But on the third day He rose again as prophesied in Isaiah Chapter 53.
The servant blobbok is not greater than his Master if they persecuted Me they will persecute you.
Dispite what you may think blobbok true Christians who accept the authority of God's Word do not condone homosexuality. Stop being a mampara Bob there are enough mampara on this board already.
Daperv your astounding stupidity is now well document thanks to the extreme drivel you have been posting.
It says nobody should be discriminated against on basis of religion.
The guy was not banned because of his religion. Dozens of christian players are employed by ARU.
He was banned because of repeated infringements in relation to words that are not compatible with the code of rugby.
A guy, christian or not, with the same record of uttering similar views, is banned.
The word is spread now, the news is heard, jesus was reborn and sinners are going to hell. It is nothing new right now. There is no news to spread anymore. It is over. This is what christian people must comply with: the job is done. Covering the walls with it is useless.
The guy was not sacked after his first action. He was sacked after multiple times. And the guy treaded on political matters. His timings indicated a disapproval of various society changes.
His actions depicted him as a homophobic guy who disrespected the bible by conveniently using it to pour hate on homosexuals.
BS. Put up some hard evidence...and you must remember that the overwhelming majority voted out Apartheid in 92....but go ahead and spread your anti-South African hate...that chip on your shoulder burns like a hellfire...enjoy the agony coward.
The majority also voted in governments that spread AIDS as a way to stay in power.
Hard evidences, what. When smelling the wind, the former government spent a lot of time destroying records.
Lately, several former members of death squadrons went out of the woods and testified. It was not PCness.
Slavery is not consistent with the most exalted level of Christian doctrine.
Slavery is consistent with christianity.
When reading the bible, jesus steps out for many people to bring a change. He steps out for a prostitute for example.
When jesus steps out for slaves, it is to maintain the status quo, slaves must obey their master and be satisfied with their slave condition.
Another point: quite often, christians disparage other christians called catholics on the basis their religion is tainted by pagan beliefs.
The whole new testament is tainted with european beliefs.
When looking at various idea streams, it is not possible to find a text that would condemn slavery. On the other hand, there were philosophies that advocated for treating slaves as members of the family, share meals with them, wash them. They influenced the bible.
Just as european people who used not to have death as capital punishment influenced the bible. They used maiming as a capital punishment and being cut was like being maimed.
The level of ignorance is stunning.....the anti slavery movement has it's roots in religion.
King Charles I of Spain, usually known as Emperor Charles V, was following the example of Louis X of France, who had abolished slavery within the Kingdom of France in 1315.
Another attempt to recycle a non christian effort into a christian effort.
It has nothing to do with christianity.
Kings have kingdoms and kingdoms are peopled with subjects to the king.
The banning of slavery was an effect of the consolidation of power by kings. It happened in China, it happened in Korea, it happened in Mali. It happened in Persia.
The attempt is misplaced as the US wrestled out of the authority of a king in a kingdom that banned slavery. The king failed to extend his autority to the US, in wich other case, would have meant abolition of slavery. They were christians who fought to escape the authority of a king that would have ended slavery to bring slaves as subjects. Christians when they rioted against the king fought to maintain slavery.
Another PCness feelgoodism.
So why would they be supporting a religion that supposedly enslaved
them? They wouldn't. The depth of commitment to the Church among black
Americans is a recognition on their part of the role the Church
played in freeing them.
Rich. Bringing christianity to the slaves was a hot topic, especially as rioters used a trick to justify their uprising against the king: they were christian and could not serve two masters at the same time, they could not serve their god and a king.
As they played that card, they somehow felt that slaves could play the same card.
But slaves had their own religious beliefs which they could use to organize and fight for their freedom. Christianity was used to get rid of their traditional beliefs. A christian slave was better than a pagan slave. Slave owners feared a lot slaves fighting for their freedom.
Today, all these guys have nothing left but christianity. Their traditional beliefs were erased in favour of christianity. They kept to christianity as a loss token.
In the US, churches are segregated, white christians do not go to black churches. Christianity is division between believers. It has no unity. It pits believers against believers, first non christian believers and then amongst christians. Brethern in christ are brethern at each others' throat.
Burn...chip...burn.
The slave driver goth devil woman of ARU hates the Bible.Do you see any fear in Folau's eyes as he walks the streets to the courtroom.People are walking up behind him ,saying "God bless you,we're praying for you".
She wants to contract the polynesian slaves but they must leave their Bibles behind in Tonga.She won't be rid of it,it's everywhere now,murderer's ,adulterer's,thieve's.....what was that other one.......forgot it.....anyway you can ping it on google 1Cor6v9-10 interesting that drunkards and revilers's don't make,maybe Raelene Castle loves her grog too much.
Moonrover, Raylene is a serious nz freak. Wouldn't surprise me what she is on.
Beenz, we don't know that, I called her a bull-dyke ...it's unfair, we don't know her...let's not speculate...rather wait for all the facts...maybe she was just doing her job in good faith...maybe she made a mistake...we don't know.
I used to like the coffin kids back in the day....bit of a different kind of Goth though.
Draad she is a very dark figure, a rabid perv supporter and a kbb to boot. ??
No wonder the nz team is called the ALL BLACK'S. ??
Given her lack of pedigree, her desire to look and act like a freak well I fear the worst. She reminds me of Count Dracula with that lipstick being old dried blood. ??
I am still puzzled as to how she ever got to be CEO. ??
Beeno you bring up some interesting points.What substance is she really on.......all we have are the back and forth quotes of her and Judy of Qantas.Although I don't want to be a constant reviler of Raelene either.......one thing is sure:- atheism and sodomism have a new Hitler they can applaud.
Some people speak of the harm that Folau's quote might bring to a transgender!Why don't they rather focus on the good of being drug free.They have the replacement O'Connor who should be doing time for cocaine in France...... replacing a drug free individual.
https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/orphan-goes-from-sniffing-rugby-glue-to-playing-for-the-philippines-20190710
Apparently the All Blacks got their name from "All Backs" meaning they played like a team of all backs......which then became a typo error.
So was Folau treated equally or fairly according to his religious beliefs where he quoted God's word. No of course not he was fired.
Homosexuals were simply warned of what awaited them in the afterlife. A well meant warning. Note none of the others on the list said a word. Only the aggressive God hating pervs.
Then there are other laws in Oz protecting religious rights, Labour law and unfair dismissal etc.
Then also this issue was tried in a British court and the British Folau WON. This sets a precedent for Oz courts.
Keep hoping blueperv that Folau will lose and your beloved LGBT community will be able to shut everyone up and fire anybody saying anything they don't like but I don't think you lot are going to get anywhere.
Seeing lots of bloggers speaking out these days about the per s messing with children - coming up because of the Epstein pedophile case.
The pervs tried to target children. Should be very severe penalties for this.
Blueperv you are a total disgrace.
"Then also this issue was tried in a British court and the British Folau WON. This sets a precedent for Oz courts"
So you are saying that this "precedent" that was set in Britain...…... now applies to Australia?
And Uganda
And Canada
And the USA
And Brazil
And...And...And...And...And...
LMFAO
"So was Folau treated equally or fairly according to his religious beliefs"
The question is, was he treated fairly if he went against his company contract, whatever that contract currently is.
But no..... keep making this about what he posted and not the employment agreement that he may have had, in writing, with his employer.
It will come down to how much they will be able to stretch the interpretation of the COC...IMO RA is stretching it too far. You cannot agree with everyone all of the time. When does disagreement become unfair treatment. The courts will have to decide where the lines are. When does his freedom of religion start to weigh more...or less than gay people's unconditional acceptance? Again, IMO RA took this to the extremes and made a mountain of a molehill....and this has spun out of control. They are actually saying that the freedom of a small minority is more important than the majority's...absurd.