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Bok centre combo rises to the occasion.

Started by JeromeV44 REPLIES594 VIEWS· 25 Jul 2015, 19:29
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25 Jul 2015, 19:29
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25 Jul 2015, 19:29#1
There were some positive signs despite the defeat.

The bok centre combo once again showed how dangerous they can be. According to the statistics De Allende and Kriel outplayed the vastly experience centre pairing of Nonu and Smith. They are simply no match.

Desert Fool, can you provide any proof to suggest otherwise? 
 
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25 Jul 2015, 19:35
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25 Jul 2015, 19:35#2
 I have done so all season. Kriel has been very good, that's the plus. The fools are those who cannot follow the game or think for themselves. Led astray each and every year.
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25 Jul 2015, 19:44
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25 Jul 2015, 19:44#3
 Card you are becoming an EGG magnet. Time to just admit Allende is a brilliant center.
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25 Jul 2015, 19:49
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25 Jul 2015, 19:49#4
 Fox,  pull your head from your aarse,  you might be able to see better then. 
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25 Jul 2015, 19:55
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25 Jul 2015, 19:55#5

The situation remains the same....brilliant on attack ....vulnerable on defence. As you chaps look at the game again, you will see in the last 20 minutes our centre defence was weak

 

CKriel1/150/3/11762401 5/40/010/0Cde Allende0/000/6/10472700 11/30/000/0
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25 Jul 2015, 20:01
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25 Jul 2015, 20:01#6
 They are fair weather fools with an embarrassing track record of idiocy. Just sit back and laugh as they waltz hand in hand off a cliff... again! Who knows, maybe t his time it won't take the better part of seven years to catch on, LMAO!!
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25 Jul 2015, 20:11
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25 Jul 2015, 20:11#7
 Disaster has nonce again made an utter fool of himself - he cannot help it - he remains the biggest idiot on this site.  He wa the one that said Nonu would run through the turnstile created by De Allende - his fellow village idiot was echoing him all the time.   So lets look at that turnstyle stats of the centers:-
New Zealand
CG Smith0/000/6/51100025/10/000/0
Nonu0/001/2/31302004/40/010/0
South Africa
Kriel1/150/3/117624015/40/010/0
de Allende0/000/6/1047270011/30/000/0
The question is who was the turnstile in this case?
There were no line breaks by either Nonu or Smith and in total they beat 2 tackles. Their territory gain from their 8 carries were in total 24 meters - ie 3 meters per carry 
No lets look at the ball carries of De Allende and Kriel.  Line breaks 4 - defenders beaten 11 - meters gained 123 meters in 21 carries, ie 5.85 meters.
Next the tackle stats.  The AB combo attempted 14 tackles missing 5 for a missed tackle ratio of 31,75.  The Springbok combo attempted 23 tackles missing 7  for a missed tackle ratio of  30,43.
There are still too many missed tackles by Kriel and De Allende - but they were not the turnstile the village idiots claimed in the past.  Disaster should rather keep his idiocy to himself - nobody believes it in any event.
I still think the reason for the missed tackles are the result of De Allende and Kriel attempting too many extremely difficult tackle attempts making their stats not looking good enough.  This is confirmed by the fact that last week they attempted 36 tackles combined and missed 8 of those.  The number of tackles attempted were extraordinary high for a center combo and even in this test they attempted 23 tackles as against the 14 off the NZ Combo.   However to claim that they are a turnstile like out two resident village idiots claim is ridiculous.
I was also interested in what Naas Botha said in the post-match discussion.  He said that the younger players involved should have been brought into the team two years ago and not this late.  If they were, the extra experience would have had a massive impact on their present already outstandi ng  performances.
  


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25 Jul 2015, 20:18
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25 Jul 2015, 20:18#8
 Mike keep educating Card I would like to see him stop this nonsens and not embarass himself. He also is making negative comments re the outstanding Lood!!I see Mozzzzz, who also has huge Egg, is having a go at reinach to deflect attention perh as. Crafty campaigner is our good doctor!
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25 Jul 2015, 20:22
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25 Jul 2015, 20:22#9
No the missed tackles are not the result of them trying to make too many difficult tackles... it's the result of poor structure and poor training. As for Naas' comment about the centres playing together two years ago...he can't be serious. Neither were in contention. What is true is JJ should have made way for Kriel in the S15....he is a talent but simply not versed in centre defence. Ten S15 games could have been very helpful. De Allende doesn't have that excuse.
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25 Jul 2015, 20:37
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25 Jul 2015, 20:37#10
 Brilliant pair.....they make Jean and Fourie look like a bunch of 2nd team teamers 
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25 Jul 2015, 21:55
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25 Jul 2015, 21:55#11
On attack...on defence they missed 31 per cent of their tackles. Last week Allende lost the test by missing Kuridrani. Not good enough.  
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25 Jul 2015, 23:02
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25 Jul 2015, 23:02#13
 Mozart
You are talking crap and must find an excuse to attack De Allende and Kriel.  Your first point on the tackles attempted by the two players are exceptionally high and if you have even the most minute sense of seeing what is going on on the field of play and was in any way objective - you would have noted who has been tackled and on whom tackle attempts were made.  As per normal you blame De Allender for a try being scored, but then lied through your teeth about the tackle situation in the Stormers game when De Allende missed the tackle on Kuridrani.   Your latest story is the same - De Allende was not lined up to defend against Kuridrani in that case as well - he came from the inside and attempted the tackle after he made another tackle earlier.  He tried his best to get to kuridrani but although Kuridrani went down it was to near to the line to prevent a try being scored.   
However, that is not the point - what is the point that your attacks on De Allende is a gross misrepresentation of his value to the team - because you want Fat Fransie in the team and De Allende is preventing that from happening.   Just accept that DE Allende is twice the player Steyn is at present and probably better than Steyn was throughout his career.  Just as an aside - Fransie missed 4 tackle attempts in the 2007 WC final - and you conveniently forget that and never went for him on that account in the same way as you are doing iro De Allende.   
One thing is for sure - De Allende and Kriel was a damn sight better than Nonu and Conrad Smith - but you went for them in the most nasty way imaginable.   You should be ashamed of that turnstile thread you started and calling them Jekyll and Hydes.   I say they need to improve their defense and that with experience would happen - you go overboard and make no objective assessment of their performance.
            
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25 Jul 2015, 23:24
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25 Jul 2015, 23:24#14
Tokkie it doesn't go well when you deny known facts.
1 Allende missed Kuridrani to lose the match against Oz
2 Kriel and Allende missed 31 per cent of their tackles today....the highest number for two centres I have ever seen.
Now make your point.
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25 Jul 2015, 23:43
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25 Jul 2015, 23:43#15
 Mozaart
What percentage of tackles Nonu and Smith missed today and then tell me "the highest number for two centres I have ever seen."
The following is factual:-
 "Next the tackle stats.  The AB combo attempted 14 tackles missing 5 for a missed tackle ratio of 31,75.  The Springbok combo attempted 23 tackles missing 7  for a missed tackle ratio of  30,43."
You had a brain blackout again or do you think a missed tackle ratio 31,75 is less  than one of 30,43.   In the same game and you did not see what was going on.  Was it a case of did not want to see?  That would be standard with you.  
Your comments on Kuridr ani is as irrational as you are in all cases of your rugby comments when you want to go for a player.   Just ask yourself - would your favourite Steyn even have attempted that tackle on Kuridrani after the previous tackle he made and the answer would be definitely not.      


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25 Jul 2015, 23:54
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25 Jul 2015, 23:54#16
Er Tokkie 5 out of 14 is 35.71% you dolt, not 31.75%. You cant even make your own point when the facts are on your side. But never mind it's a high number and I'm sure NZ doesn't like it. But last week NZ  centres made all their tackles and Kriel/Allende were at 72%. So our problem is systemic,  it's chronic and it's not getting better.
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26 Jul 2015, 00:11
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26 Jul 2015, 00:11#17
 Mozart
Sorry I made a transcribing mistake - but that is not the point.  This was De Allende's 5th test and Kriel's 2nd.  Do you think it is fair to make that kind of comment stating 
"So our problem is systemic,  it's chronic and it's not getting better"
It is not enough tests played to justify such a sweeping statement.   Also your comments on last weeks games  are not really acceptable as well.  It was different sets of players involved.  We can only make that kind of comparison can only be made once the Aussies and AB's have played and after our test against Argentina. 
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26 Jul 2015, 00:27
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26 Jul 2015, 00:27#18
A transcribing mistake? Boy  you transcribe 35.71 as 31.75 ....I'm glad you never became an accountant Tok.  
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26 Jul 2015, 00:41
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26 Jul 2015, 00:41#19
 Oh fck,  as Jerome's video testifies, we're in deep poo. We are sitting with crap senters that can't tackle. Luckily the experienced NZ pair is eaually kak. I  thought our rookies looked a bit better than their pro's. Silly me. 
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26 Jul 2015, 00:48
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26 Jul 2015, 00:48#20
 Well fact is Jean' s defensive stats in the past two years have been no better than de Allende or Kriel 's. 
Hell so much was made of how poor JJ was meant to be defensively when in fact his stats were better than Jeans in the 2013 RC.
Just goes to show what utter rubbish is written about some players when in fact the stats tell us something completely different.
de Allende  and Kriel  were far far better than Nonu and Smith today. ...it was not even close.
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26 Jul 2015, 01:39
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26 Jul 2015, 01:39#21
 I think the campaign against De Allende this past week was the worst vilification by Desert Disaster and Mozart of a player I have ever seen.  They backed up their statements by serious deception and outright lies.  The same thing happened in a case of an earlier posting of Desert Disaster after which he ran for cover.  Mozart was even worse with -
*  the following comments -  "the highest number for two centres I have ever seen."- which turned out s a total misrepresentation; and
*  the Jekyll and Hyde insult of the two players concerned.
That is not even egg in their face - it boils down to a deliberate disinformation campaign and not at all ethical. 
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26 Jul 2015, 05:08
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26 Jul 2015, 05:08#22

 Here are the Bok centre defence stats from the start of last year:

 

Wales  13/16   81%

 

Wales  19/22   86%

 

Argie     1/3     33%

 

Argie    10/11  91%

 

Oz       30/32   94%

 

NZ       28/34   82%

 

Oz       20/24    83%

 

NZ      12/18     67%

 

Ire       9/11     82%

 

Eng      12/17    71%

 

Italy     11/14    79%

 

Wales   9/10      90%

 

Oz       21/28     75%

 

NZ       14/20     70%

 

 

Fourteen games in all.....the aggregate numbers are 209 tackles made in 260 attempts. That averages at just over 80%.

 

 

For the de Allende/Kriel combination it's 35 out of 48 tackles for an average of just under 73%.

 

 

For de Allende at centre its 36 out of 51 tackles for an average of just under 71%. Yes he was the centre who tackled 0/2 against the Bargies setting up the 33% lowest number.

 

 

So of the five lowest tackle scoring tests 33%, 67%, 70%, 71%, 75%....De Allende was involved in  three.....and he has played only three tests as a centre!

 

 

And it's not academic, the loss against Oz came from a missed de Allende tackle on Kuridrani coming from poor positioning and the Coles try today which certainly killed our momentum, came from a poor read by Kriel. Both mistakes were technical.

 

These guys have been very effective on attack and very vulnerable on defence. I am more hopeful that they can get over their issues. Neither is as feeble in contact as players like JJ and Jordaan. But technically on defence they are nowhere vs a combination like Fury and de Villiers. No player is acting as defensive captain....the lines aren't brought up, resources aren't moved about, forwards aren' t protected.

 

 

Time is short....this poor defence has cost us the RC it could cost us the RWC if not fixed.

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26 Jul 2015, 09:44
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26 Jul 2015, 09:44#23
 This is the worst BS spread I have ever seen on this site.  If you want to get a full perspective on what Kriel and De Allende brought to the Springbok team you have a comprehensive evaluation of their contribution to the Springbok team - not a concentration on one aspect of play only.  
That would mean a full evaluation of what they brought to the team in both attacking and defensive play.  Mozart is his normal self - braindead.  A player like Fourie may have made all his tackles if he could get to the ball carriers - Davies ran twice around him as if he was not there -  but in three tests in 2013  his ball carries was disastrously poor - so what does that mean?  Does it mean that we must only have tackling dummies in our backline that cannot carry balls?  However, this is what to be expected from this village idiot who believes that 90% of the functions of a flyhalf is to kick balls.
So poor defense cost us the RC - that is total BS.   It is simplistic and not anywhere near a proper evaluation what really cost us the RC.  What cost us the RC last year was the BS performance of Morne Steyn - yet this idiot still wants Morne in the Springbok team - what does that tell us about his evaluation of players?
Now we are back Also to his standard BS - when Fourie was coming into the scene he was touted to be the "defensive captain" - and everything was based on that "captaincy" - His total lack in any other facet of play was meaningless because he was the backline "defensive captain".   He played at 13 and that attribute was set by Mozart as an essential role of the no 13.  Last week it suddenly change to a essential for 12 and not 13.
I challenge Mozart to do a full evaluation of the test center performances since the start of the test seasons of 2014 and not only the defense and then give us an objective assessment.
I do not like this type of one-issue rubbish.  The question is do we want a dead backline who can defend only and produce nothing else?          
          
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26 Jul 2015, 10:01
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26 Jul 2015, 10:01#24
 Ou Dawie, guess who Nonu chose as as the best centre pair that he encountered in his  long & illustrious career ?  .... none other than Jean & Fourie . So much for your ana lysis ......
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26 Jul 2015, 10:11
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26 Jul 2015, 10:11#25
blobbok 
Nonu said that before the test yesterday - wonder what he said after the test?  De Villiers and Fourie never humiliated him - De Allende did it yesterday.  
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26 Jul 2015, 10:24#26
Nonu would've said, 'look at the scoreboard' ......... Oumaaik, humiliate is too strong a word .
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26 Jul 2015, 11:16
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26 Jul 2015, 11:16#27
 Bob the ab center pairing so vastly  experienced was expected by some to teach the young Bok upstarts a rugby lesson were severely embarrased.Jean and jaque were a very good center pairing. This one looks like it could be even better. Both these youngsters can step off both feet. Big, strong fast and with vision. Distribution skills are also veery good.
If you add in Faf, the most dynamic scrummie in the super 15 and then Pollard - two cuts above anything nz have. Habana is still as good as any winger in NZ and they dont have a 15 to match Willie either.We now need to find a second winger although Hendricks was better than expected.
Add  a dominanat pack and Hansen must be extremely concernedPack being beast Bissie Jannie Eben, Lood, Marcell, Schalk and Vermuelen. That will be the best pack at the RWC without a shadow of doubt!
We still have to see kKitshoff play. he looked to be moving ahead of Beast. Koch must start. This guy has huge potential. Love the way he motors around the park. Lood showed his amazing speed - the GUY IS 125 KG! AND CAN CATCH A BACKLINE PLAYER FROM BEHIND. Nz dont have locks like this. Eben and Lood outpalyed the kiwi locks and our front row was better.
If Meyer gets it right we should win the RWC. Okay we also need our palyers fit and afair deal from the refs. I think a fair deal is more likely. Getting the right players is a problem given rcist quoat selections and meyers own foibles like the disaster that is matfiled 105 kg and 38 years old. Imagine having him play against England. It destroys your pack. You cant play 7 forwards fro 80 minutes - they never sub this guy either - its so crazy one can scarcely believe it - an ongoing nightmare. Hopefully meyer is not so dumb as he still cant see it after Lood's great dispaly. But martfiled groupies are under a huge deception and to admit they were wrong after all their nonsense is going to take a miracle.Meyer also needs to ropein Willemse, Du Plessis, Kriel and Rhodes. Plus Van Wyk, Vorste and combrink in the backs. Fourie Du Preez needs rto be assesed and faf to play.
Meyer has moved forward with his game plan. Much better balanced game. He realises he has a potent backline now that can still be improved. To think some here imagined we cant run the ball when the Cheetahs and Lions had proved emphatically that we can - and always used to do !!
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26 Jul 2015, 11:23
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26 Jul 2015, 11:23#28
Blobbok
Look at the stats of the two players yesterday and then tell me if Nonu was nto humiliated:-
Nonu0/001/2/41702004/40/020/0
de Allende0/000/6/1146260010/20/000/0
If that does not indicate humiliation I do not know what is.  The one incident where Nonu made a mess on a tackle on De Allende was the standout in defense of the centers yesterday.
I do not think that comparative stats of De Villiers at inside center ever showed that kind of superiority of De Villiers over Nonu in tests played as was the case yesterday.  Incidentally it was the center issue that is being dealt with - not the "look at the scoreboard" issue.   
   
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26 Jul 2015, 12:59
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26 Jul 2015, 12:59#29

We lost both these tests because we failed to stop our opponents from scoring tries in the last 20 minutes of each game. Were our centres culpable in at least part of that......the answer is yes.

 

 

The failure to admit that simple truth is so typical of Tokkie dishonesty. The numbers are the numbers, the incidents don't go away....they are noted.

 

 

The question is not whether these two young chaps are a possible future combination.....they obviously are. The question is whether they are ready for WC duty. That's harder to answer, the attacking game is dynamic....the defence questionable.

 

 

Who organizes this defence? Allende, Kriel, Pollard? Having three young players and no defensive leader is a vexing issue, which unfortunately eludes those that only want ice cream.

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26 Jul 2015, 13:01
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26 Jul 2015, 13:01#30
 Kriel and Pollard are not bad, but the dud in the middle makes life very difficult for both of them. See my video for last weeks game to see what I mean.
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26 Jul 2015, 13:02
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26 Jul 2015, 13:02#31
 No more nonsense please Card!
Thanks.


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26 Jul 2015, 13:10
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26 Jul 2015, 13:10#32
 Beeno
Disaster is on the Frans Steyn campaign - so De Allende - rated by everyone as an outstanding player - is vilified by him.  He is so pathetic it really is laughable.  
 
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26 Jul 2015, 13:16
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26 Jul 2015, 13:16#33
 I am accurate, and you are once more left with egg on your face. Perhaps you like the egg, maybe that's what contributed to your buxom carriage! LMAO!!!
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26 Jul 2015, 13:30
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26 Jul 2015, 13:30#34
 Mozart
Thanks for toning down your comments to a more reasonable level.  I think we agree that there is a statistical problem in defense of the two players concerned.  I said in the past they should not be above 15 in the missed tackle ratio and that they need to get better.  
De Allende was better yesterday and very near to that mark.  Kriel was the weak link - but one has to bear in mind that it was only his second test and he is in the very early learning phase.
I think in the WC if De Villiers is available - which may not happen -the center combination will be De Allende at 12 and De Villiers at 13 - with Kriel on the bench.  De Villiers is not only a defender - like Jacque Fourie - he is also a passable attacking player.   To bring in Francois Steyn and Fourie into the mixture would be a rank disaster.  Steyn is a weaker defender than De Allende (proven over the last two years in Super 15) and is even weaker than Fourie in attacking play. 
It would be interesting to see what happens in the two remaining tests before the WC.  I do not think Meyer will change his center combination so as to give the youngsters some more experience - so it would be interesting to see what happens in those two tests.   


    
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26 Jul 2015, 13:35
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26 Jul 2015, 13:35#35
Actually, Jean is not very assured defending from 13 and does not attack well from there. He doesn't attack well from 12 either, but at least he holds his channel. Dropping Kriel for Jean at 13 and retaining Damian would be a net loss for the Boks.

And Frans is a better defender than Damian. His positional play and strength are a very long way ahead of Damian who is statistically the weakest centre in Super rugby. How do you like them apples? ROFLMAO!!!! What was proven in Super rugby again? LoLoLoLoLoLoLoL!!!!!!
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26 Jul 2015, 13:41
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26 Jul 2015, 13:41#36
I think if Jean is available and fully recovered, a big if, the best combination is Jean 12, Kriel 13, Allende 14. That should give us plenty of attacking punch and settle the defence. One could swop Kriel and Allende, but right now Kriel is adapting better to 13 than Damien is to 12....in my view. 
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26 Jul 2015, 13:46
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26 Jul 2015, 13:46#37
 Like I said, Damian likes to attack the outside gap,. it's what he does best. So give him the damn space instead of elaborate setups using 13 and 15 to give him space when, as a 12, he should be creating the space! Jean brings the physical directness at 12 will is utterly essential. It's the missing ingredient and defence would be another plus. Jean only has to come back at 50% of his best to surpass the most hapless individual I have ever seen play 12. Kriel has exceeded my expectations and has shown glimpses of Fourie-esque qualities. Being able to burst through defenders is something we've been missing since Fourie. And he is not so bad on defence either. He will never be a great reader of the game like Fourie, but he isn't entirely stupid either. Dropping him to retain Damian would be the greatest disgrace since Lambie for Morné.
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26 Jul 2015, 14:03
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26 Jul 2015, 14:03#38
 I give up on Disaster - he is blind, prejudiced and stupid  so what else can one say.  It is no use to argue with him on a factual basis.  
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26 Jul 2015, 14:07
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26 Jul 2015, 14:07#39
 How dare you call me stupid Mr.Boob! You still have the video to contend with. You accused me of cowardice, now it's you who is under pressure to respond or openly concede defeat. Or you could run away as you always do. Perhaps another "Raizon s wai Dessert Disister arez stupidz" is on the horizon? LMAO!!
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26 Jul 2015, 14:11
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26 Jul 2015, 14:11#40
 Mozart
You obviously are entitled to your own view - but I do not think that is a view shared by De Villiers himself and Meyer.   De Villiers when De Jongh was not available for the Stormers played at 13 and De Allende at 12.  He obviously prefer to play outside of De Allende in the backline.  Please note that even in the World 15 game he was used in the 13 position - further confirming what Meyer and De Villiers himself think on that issue.  
It may even be influenced by De Villiers latest injury - playing at 12 is a harder grind than at 13 and De Villiers may feel safer at 13 than at 12.    
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