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Fourie sent back to Japan

Started by clevermike9 REPLIES292 VIEWS· 08 Jul 2015, 15:00
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clevermike
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08 Jul 2015, 15:00
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08 Jul 2015, 15:00#1

After licking his backside white to get Fourie to come back to the Springbok squad, Meyer got his just reward.   Fourie turned up at the Springbok squad in shocking physical condition.   He obviously cannot even keep up with rehab development programmes and the following report indicates the result:-


"Springbok centre Jaque Fourie has been sent back to his club in Japan to regain full fitness.   After retiring from international rugby last year, the 32-year-old was picked in Heyneke Meyer’s first Springbok squad of the year after the national coach convinced him to reconsider his decision to call time on his Springbok career.

Fourie though is not fit for the rigours of international rugby and the decision was made for him to withdraw from the Bok squad and return to his club, the Kobelco Steelers.

Meyer had a meeting with Fourie on Tuesday, where a mutual decision was taken that he would return to Japan to regain his fitness and get game time.


“He decided to withdraw from the Springbok squad for now, but we agreed that the door is still open for him to be selected for the Rugby World Cup if he is needed,” Meyer said on Wednesday.


Fourie played 72 Tests for the Springboks after making his debut against Uruguay at the 2003 Rugby World Cup in Australia.   His last Test was against France in Paris in November 2013."


Fourie at the age of 31 in 2013 in the middle of the Japanese club season was not in sound physical condition and was seriously deficient in pace.   From an attacking perspective he was worth minus-zero.   If he could get to ball carriers he did make his tackles.


To get Fourie at the age of 33 back into shape for international rugby will be a virtual  impossibility - he may be able to play "soft" rugby in Japan - but is unlikely to even be in a shape required from a CC center.   


I think from the wording of the article and what Meyer said the chances are that even Meyer gave up on him and there is a 1% chance of him being called up to join the squad in future.


Mozart and his age and reputation addicts must be in despair about what happened in this case.   


 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jul 2015, 23:26
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08 Jul 2015, 23:26#2
It just confirms how pathetically desperate Meyer is to hang onto these washed up has beens. 
How can a national coach be so out of touch with what constitutes a test standard player or who is so adverse to picking our talented youngsters......to think we have some supporters who are stupid and ignorant enough to believe we don't have the young talent to select from and that Meyer has it right.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jul 2015, 01:14
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09 Jul 2015, 01:14#3
Could have taken your hero JJ with him Dave, for all the use that flop was to the Bools. You know how to pick 'em.  
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09 Jul 2015, 01:27
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09 Jul 2015, 01:27#4
 Mozart
The one he should have taken back with him was the useless Frans Steyn who should not have been in Meyer's squad in any event.   Engelbrecht was poor over the last two years - but Steyn was worse.   Neither of the two should be anywhere near the Springbok squad and Dave has accepted that JJ is not the choice 13 anymore.   Steyn has a Japanese contract and I will not be at all surprised if he is not released to go back to Japan.   
He and Fourie apparently have one thing in common - both are over-weight and unfit so the next move may likely be to sent Fransie packing as well. 
To keep carrying on about JJ is just plain stupid - nobody on this panel including Dave supports his selection at present and to live in the past is not relevant.
    
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09 Jul 2015, 02:28
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09 Jul 2015, 02:28#5
Nope JJ is not irrelevant....two years ago the majority of posters on this Board were totally convinced JJ was the answer. He was the flavor of the day....just like Vorster, Serfontein, Reinach, Kriel, de Allende are the flavor of the day right now. None of them have proven anything at test level, I wonder how many will.
JJ, Goosen, Hendricks and Lomp are good examples of why players have to perform, not simply be selected.
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09 Jul 2015, 03:19
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09 Jul 2015, 03:19#6
 What majority are you talking about?   Dave was the only all-out supporter of JJ - most members had reservations about him - although some was not happy with info manufactured by some to attack him.
The problem is that you carry on about players like you mentioned at test level, while some players you support - like Frans Steyn - has produced nothing on test of SR level since 2012.  They have in fact been totally inadequate.
You love to name the same players you dislike all the time.   More than 80% of your allegations against the players you constantly quote is manufactured BS dreamt up by you.
However, the same cannot be said about the players you adore and put above criticism.   You constantly support present duds like the two Steyns, Willem Alberts  and Victor Matfield, even though factual information on their deficiencies is provided.   There is constant division on this site about those players - and even in the wider public criticism of their performances - but for you they are the flavour of the month.
Spare us this story of "flavour of the month" and keep to facts please.       
   
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09 Jul 2015, 05:04
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09 Jul 2015, 05:04#7
The difference is the players you cite, Matfield both Steyns and  Alberts have been very successful test players...so the only question is whether they have lost it. A smart coach like HM won't be unaware of that question...he hardly can be with the tedious repitition of this concern by every immature reporter. He has all the internals from the training camp....strength, speed and insurance stats. He is in a far better position to judge.
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09 Jul 2015, 08:34
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09 Jul 2015, 08:34#8
Mozart
This is weird - when Meyer selects Lambie, Reinach, Serfontein, Whiteley, Kriel and De Allende he based on your tedious attacks on them and claiming they are inadequate, implying that all the internals from the training camp implying that the said internals count for nothing in their cases.   In their cases he has the stats as well to determine their performance records over the past SR tournament and those stats do not reflect inability to perform as you imply.
On the other hand he has the internals and also their performance record over the SR tournament of Matfield, the Steyns and Alberts.   According to you they have been successful test players in the past.  However, there are serious question marks about the successes of Matfield, the Steyns and Alberts since 2012 in tests and your statement on them is debatable.  When anybody criticize the selection of those players it is blamed on repetition of concern b y every immature reporter.   When players who in the case of Matfield has played at lock in the past (and the string of them has become longer week after week) queried his selection - they are being accused of all kinds of crap by you.
So everyone who criticize the players you support are immature - but you are mature in your criticism of other players you make all kind of accusations against with near to zero substance and based on false images of players you have manufactured.
By your definition Meyer is in far better position to judge some players - but not others.   That alone is a very real joke.    It is funny peculiar - not funny ha-ha.       
      
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09 Jul 2015, 09:34
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09 Jul 2015, 09:34#9
 All the players Moz listed have been core Boks and highly effective. It's not a perspective or opinion, it's a fact! 
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09 Jul 2015, 10:21
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09 Jul 2015, 10:21#10
 Desert Disaster
This is a serious joke on your part - it is funny peculiar - not funny ha-ha.  The failures of Morne and Frans Steyn have been proven on the field of play and statistically since 2012.  De Jongh in his last two tests vanished from sight and one can really say he went AWOL.  Matfield is a joke in Tight 5 play and his line-out takes have become minimal.   Your moronic interpretation as to their deficient performances is really laughable. 
You are the member of this site that criticized De Allende's performance in a game that never took place - and your assessment of performances has been a fatally flawed joke in bad taste  - so is the "highly effective" statement.   Core Boks they may have been - but the core was so weak, it collapses and the result was loss of crucial tests - so it is your flawed opinion and as far removed from facts as the west ia from the east.  The details you refer to have been crap repeated ad nausseum.
The day you and Mozart provide factual and correct details on what happened on the field of play  is unlikely ever to happen and what you regard as true is really distorted misrepresentation.
No comments on Lambie - that is funny.              
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