Frans Steyn seems to have matured into a more useful player since he last left our shores.

Francois has settled in nicely for Free State and looks in good shape and although I did not watch the WP match I read he was man of the match...Free State were terribly unlucky not to pip WP at the post (no pun intended).

What is your take on Steyn now Mike, is it still the same and Saffex and Mozart what's yours...I won't ask the Organgrinder because the answers still have the same old familiar ring . Some posters here are so predictable and never change and never will...mules in fact.

Should or could he be considered for Bok selection...will the Br/Ire Lions series be cancelled as in another post???

Fransie was OK at 12, but WP made it difficult for themselves...they should have put Freestate away just past the halfway mark, but poor kicking at goal and giving away a soft try kept Freestate in the match.

Your problem is that you flaunt the jugular, and get bitten. If you're going to press a point, expect to be able to defend it. Calling everyone a mule won't shield you from reality 

He converted a number of kicks - 2 from inside the  WP half of the field and also some other kicks,.  That is probably why he got the MOM/

From a center perspective there were nothing to write home about,   Slow and ponderous  - with no line breaks and routine passing is all there was otherwise, Still a mu le I am afraid with questionable decision-making to boot,       

I am much more interested in that new flyhalf of the Cheetahs - Echardt Fortuin.   He seems to be very useful and scored a very good try in his first match for the Cheetahs.   Look like he is a promising player/ with pace and good decision-making to boot.   

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Nonsense Mike, he played very well, more than just the kicks - which were excellent ... what kept FS in the game...and Swiel's poor kicking almost lost it for WP...FS is a much better side than given credit for. 

PS: Auge, can you please repeat that in Afrikaans, I don't understand High-English.

PPS...or PSS(just for Rude Prick): WP has been underperforming the whole season...hope they can rectify it the last few matches.

Nonsense Mike, he played very well, more than just the kicks - which were excellent ... what kept FS in the game...and Swiel's poor kicking almost lost it for WP...FS is a much better side than given credit for. 

PS: Auge, can you please repeat that in Afrikaans, I don't understand High-English.

PPS...or PSS(just for Rude Prick): WP has been underperforming the whole season...hope they can rectify it the last few matches.

...And in the past Zane Kirchner is greater than Willie Le Roux if I'm not mistaken.

Another of Heyneke's blunders...should have never have been on the International pitch...in fact that was one of James Small's opinions , he also had not enough speed...and many other critics...he was ok for club rugby but just not enough to play in the bigger arena.

Actually AO is very stubborn, never changes, even though players can change for the better or worse but despite this his opinion never adapts. His love for Heynekes bash through the middle with minimum of off loads, morne steyn lying deep type of rugby suits his take.

A typical example SA  raised the bar to the highest level under Rassie...but results don't really matter or indicate a teams strength...and this goes on for ever. It's become so tedious and repetitive it drives me insane. But AO is not the only one.

No I give his due...he sees potential in Andre Esterhuizen, and I believe he's spot on with this one.

But there are others that ridiculously say PSDT is average, that's ludicrous

He was a Lambie basher too.

Esterhozen has played very well in the matches I have watched.....he should have a shot against the Lions once the Dud nonsense gets exposed again. As for Dud Toit enough proof has already been provided that he almost lost the Welsh match and had a serviceable but not great final....a few planned rushes onto their laitjie at flyhalf is hardly great Rugby.

Lambie was a decent defensive fullback of the Halfpenny type....he never had a clue how to play flyhalf at top level.

Frans was never embraced by South African rugby suits who eschewed the tall poppy. So we lost a player who should have been the dominant 10 in the world for many years.

Stupid is forever.

We have heard all that before Dave, it’s the conventional view....all based on the wrong interpretation of two matches. Dud  isn’t even a blindsider.....he is a lock that can’t jump played at blindside, but given no specific tasks. And when he had one, defending his side of the scrum on the Bok line against Wales....he stupidly got himself trapped.

Frans’ win/loss at 10 was way better than Lambie’s in the same year for the Sharks....and they crashed when Lambie was reinstated.

Dud Allende creates nothing he tractors....that worked against Wales when Biggar went high, he simply tractored on. Against a physical opponent you will never see Dud Allende. He never.... ever..  creates something for another player.

Stick with Moz

Snot

Well if he could jump he would be playing lock and making a real contribution, instead of process tackles and half metre runs.

Dud  played flank long before Rassie....so Erasmus was just following  what HM did. I do believe the reason he was available to play flank was because he wasn’t first choice at 5, which reflects the fact that he was never much of a lineout jumper.

Logic Dave, pure cold logic....as Captain Hastings would say.

Dud was our flank against Japan in the WC in 2015. In fact he started 6 times before Erasmus’ tenure, the Boks losing 5 of those games. In total he has started 22 times at flank with the Boks losing 10 of those times. I’m guessing that’s the worst win record for any player who had the benefit of all those WC wins.

Pollard who played over the same period won 24 times and lost 11 times.

Coincidence, I doubt it.

Dud was our flank against Japan in the WC in 2015. In fact he started 6 times before Erasmus’ tenure, the Boks losing 5 of those games. In total he has started 22 times at flank with the Boks losing 10 of those times. I’m guessing that’s the worst win record for any player who had the benefit of all those WC wins.

Pollard who played over the same time period  started 36 times and lost 11 times.

Coincidence, I doubt it.

Dave

Don't even bother to respond to Mozart's lies and misrepresentations,   I looked at the above contributions and found a number of lies above,  

For instance the BS on match-winning that was discredited thoroughly before keeps raising oits head.   Pollard and Du Toit played in the Japan disaster,  Du Toit started in that game - playing at flank for the first time since his under 20 days and Pollard was the replacement flyhalf who came from the bench.   Since Pollard was injured he played in no tests in 2016 and 2017m when the players suffered because of the dud coach and even lost against Italy.   Meyer and Coetzee should never have been Springbok coaches anyway,   They were the worst since re-admission.

So Du Toit and Pollard  played exactly one match together for the Springboks before Erasmus became coach in 2018.

He carries on about Du Toit making "process tackles" - whatever that BS term devised by him means.    After the match he claimed that the Springboks would have lost if Mostert did not replace De Jager and carried on  with that BS until he came up with Beast being another  savior,   De Jager cannot make open-field tackles to save his life and his tackles are weak and ineffective.   If Du Toit's tackles are "process tackles" - what the hell is Mostert's much weaker efforts?

Erasmus realized he had a problem at 7 and none at lock,   He then asked the Lions and the Stormers to play Du Toit and Mostert at 7.   Because Du Toit  passed the test wand Mostert failed miserably - so Erasmus decided to play Du Toit at 7,   It had zero to do with Du Toit's  ability as a lock and everything to do with the problem Erasmus faced as to a blindside flank,   

Du Toit is a top class player whether at lock or at 7 - everybody in the word realize that - but Mozart keeps lying about what happened in matches to discredit players he hates for a very peculiar reason.   The players he hates started to pose selection threats to his favorites in 2013-14and the lies and misrepresentations started then and continued unabated since then,    

The coaches and players he supported  failed under Meyer and Coetzee already,   He has been totally wrong about them in the Meyer and Coetzee disaster years and his conduct shows a childish insistence that he is right and everybody else is wrong/                   

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How many players have beaten the touring Lions twice......will be great if it happens.

But there's a new kid on the block....Tiaan Swanepoel(Lions) put away a 64m kick against Province the other day.Lets see if the new coach is gonna go for versatile players such as Steyn or take a risk with someone such as Tiaan.

Dave 

I have noted that Swanepoel took over the goal kicking function from Jantjies - but to my mind he is a very average full back and not really in the run for higher honours,

 I would appreciate it if  you have a look at the new flyhalf of the  Cheetahs - a youngster by the name of Reinhardt Fortuin - if you have a chance.   I saw him playing and he looked good to me.- so I would like whether i t is worthwhile to follow him in future and see how he develops.   

The info on him is as follows:-

Height -   1,80 

Weight  -    94

Age       -    24 years

Name: Reinhardt

Surname: Fortuin

Date of Birth: 30/01/1996

Place of Birth: Pretoria

Reinach Fortuin moves into the senior ranks after making his mark for Maties in the FNB Varsity Cup, where he was guided by Toyota Cheetahs coach Hawies Fourie.

Fortuin has the unique distinction of representing the University of Stellenbosch Maties in the Varsity Cup in rugby and cricket.

Fortuin spent a part of his childhood in Kimberley but matriculated from Paul Roos Gymnasium in Stellenbosch.

Apart from Hawies Fourie who coached Maties, other alumni from the institution and multiple-time Varisty Cup champions include Reniel Hugo, Chris Massyn, Chris Smit, Craig Barry, Duncan Saal, Ian Groenewald and the conditioning coach, André Smith.

As a schoolboy, Fortuin, also represented Boland at age-group level.

Nope I’m sure about my facts Dave.....over the 6 year period Dud started 22 times at flank and the team lost 10 times. Pollard started 36 times and the team lost 12 times. One can debate whether Pollard starting at 10 raises our chance of success....it’s hard to claim Dud starting at flank does given a win ration scarcely above 50%.

Mozart

You should know by now that the story about l osing and winning matches is super shit and also that Pollard played no tests ion 2016 and 2017 due to injury - that was when you wanted him to be replaced by Frans Steyn and he missed the most disastrous disasters in SA test history when Coetzee - whose appointment you supported - managed to continue with the destruction of SA Rugby started by Meyer,  

Have you ever been right on any issue on site?  Must have been, but that was not during the last six years,          

Those who suffer in silence on this forum, Pieter Steph Du Toit = Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

Maybe a check up with your head doctor would be friendly well meant advice

Or do we have to to go to Beeno's Trumpet to find Post Trump Stress Disorder...where the disorder seems to never go away (even worst than Covid 19.) Has any body found a cure for it???

Missing nearly 50% of defensive engagements doesn't usually yield desirable results. One would think there's a certain logic to that. 

Well you are the mathematician  ..can you find the common denominator, no this is not a extract science but a non-extract science, psychology although denominators are always found at the bottom (Beenos Trumpet).Hahaha.

However there is a lot of correlation in the abbreviated sense or first letters, too many...must be an indicator to some solution to the puzzle ? But the coincidence is so apparent that it cannot be ignored.

No it's a psychology virus not easily solved by those affected which includes both the instigators  who don't apply lockdown rules and us poor silent victims suffer.

I suppose you can always blame Trump or maybe all of us need the head quack...Haha....hahahaha.

Less sauce Chabal and it won’t seem like you’re speaking  in tongues.

Mozart

Supersshit again - do you ever learn?