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Give me the Bok job I say

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Nov 2015, 16:37
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03 Nov 2015, 16:37#1
 

Given how pathetic and utterly out of his depth Meyer is, its clearly time to move on. How the game is played is pretty universal and hardly a mindfield in terms of interpretation. The primary role of a coach is getting his selections right. Selecting the right squad to implement the universal plan. Meyer fails dismally in this regard and its why we find ourselves sitting at 3 in the rankings…..we used to languish behind NZ, now we find ourselves behind Oz as well. Testament to how poor Meyer really is.

 

Give me the job I say, how the hell can a coach fail with this kind of talent and options available to you:

 

Fullback: Willie might have had a disappointing WC by his high standards, more likely thanks to Meyer’s conservative kicking instructions, he remains one of the best threats in the game and at 26, is middle aged in rugby terms. As back-ups you have the impressive Andries Coetzee of the Lions and new kid on the block Gellant of the Bulls, another electric player with ball in hand. Taute is young enough to stake a claim as a back-up as well, if WP can stick to playing him in one position. SP Marais showed great promise but has lost ground, same can be said of Visser. But its Willie, with Coetzee and Gellant as back-ups, with the obvious option of Jessie Kriel if need be.

 

Wings: My guess is that Habana is closing in on the end but still handy enough to contribute and impart his knowledge. JP showed good form this WC and at 29, has a year or two left in him. We have a handful of promising youngsters, none more so than the big Ulengo of the Bulls with 11 tries this CC. Kolbe is pure class with ball in hand and punches way above his weight, given his size is better suited to wing……could be our answer to the impressive Argie midget. Senatla our 7’s star needs to be given plenty of game time in the 15’s game – another potential match winner in the Kolbe mould as is Cheetah’s Segal Petersen – this kid always looks threatening playing in an average side. Rhule has been good this year, plenty of raw pace and has bulked up to negate the defensive frailties he had. Sithole had a very impressive s15 for the Sharks, is very physical, bouncing a good few defenders off on a regular basis. v/Wyk is another quality wing, with pace and size – would love to see him given an opportunity at 13, where he played as a junior. Combrink of the Lions is the most under rated back in SA – has been fantastic for the Lions this year scoring some brilliant tries. Jordaan of the Sharks is a real threat with ball in hand but too small for 13, play him on the wing I say. Same applies to de Jongh. Its good to have Mjekevu back in SA, this coming s15 should be defining for him. Skosan of the Lions is another quality wing. Obi of the Kings, Senatla’s Baby Bok wing partner looks a good player. Volmink is no mug.

 

Centres: de Allende, Jessie Kriel and Serfontein have already established themselves as test centres. DA beats more defenders hands down than any other centre out there, be it at s15 or test level and Kriel made more clean breaks than any other centre in the WC. Will be good to see the impressive Serfontein play with the freedom of expression under new Bulls coach Marais. His partnership with Jessie Kriel or Dries Swanepoel will be a mouth-watering prospect. Dries Swanepoel of the Bulls is one of the finds of the CC, has a good rugby brain on him – our Conrad Smith in the making. Finds himself in the right place at the right time. Odendaal is a very illusive inside centre always looking to beat his man through skill……how the Bulls manage Serfontein, Kriel, Odendaal and Swanepoel in the squad will be interesting and a handy problem to have. The Lions have a similar centre issue with impressive Harold Vorster who made a great impression at 13 this s15, looks to have Bok written all over him. Add Stokkies Hanekom at 13, the player who reminds me of Jaque Fourie. Howard Mnisi has been huge for the Lions this year, how this guy has not got a Bok call up is beyond me. Beats defenders regularly and has good hands. Another missed political call that has merit written all over it. Love this guy. Another find of the CC was massive Rohan Janse v/Rensburg, who in the CC final made de Jongh and co look like pretenders. His move from the Bulls was a great call. One to watch, built like a brick shit house. Mapoe had an impressive s15, a very good player. One of the players of the CC was Frans Venter, who was equally impressive this s15. Has it all, has been playing 13 for the Cheetahs but is more a 12. Another who has the knack to beat defenders through skill and runs great lines. Big Andre Esterhuizen has found his feet at the top level, playing really well for the Sharks……at 115kg, he is freakishly strong in contact and it was good to see the odd SBW offload added to his game. Frans Steyn at 28, still has plenty to offer, have always been a huge fan. Kotze of WP has had some impressive displays at 13 and Huw Jones the Pom looks a great prospect if we can convince him to stay with us. Two under-utilized centres in Pat Howard and Tyler Fisher would always remain on my radar. Sadly we have lost Howard to the Saints thanks to useless Coetzee not utilising him. Jessie Kriel’s twin brother Dan is pretty handy as well as is Heimar Williams of the Sharks. We have centres to burn. Add v/Wyk and Taute as options. Not to forget my man JJ, disgustingly discarded after an impressive year with the Boks.

 

Flyhalves: Pollard is world class, Lambie is a class act….both proven test players. Jantjies our best 10 of the s15 should have walked the WC squad ahead of plodder Morne. Would love to see the classy Goosen return to SA as he is wasting his time in France. Young du Preez of WP has impressed me with ball in hand, has a Pollard look about how he plays, takes it up flat in an imposing way. Schoeman of the Bulls looks a handy all round 10 as does v/d Walt of the Lions. Boshoff of the Lions has his merits. Promising Swiel has left our shores for Quins, it will be interesting to see how he fares here. Coleman of WP is solid, but not test material.

 

Scrumhalves: Hougaard has been very impressive for the Bulls at 9 this CC, his credentials should never have been in question, him not making the WC squad is a travesty – testament to how useless Meyer is. Same can be said of our find of the s15 in Faf de Klerk, our version of Aaron Smith. One had to feel for the snubbing of impressive Reinach as well. Good old Meyer got his 9 calls so wrong this WC. Groom has been very good for WP this year. Will be good to see a return to form from Piet v/Zyl of the Bulls, a quality player who has been in the wilderness for some time. Paige is handy enough and I like the look of v/Zyl the new Bulls bench 9, a Baby Bok this year. Schrueder of WP is another solid player. A player I have changed my opinion of is Cronje of the Lions, he is not that bad…..handy enough at the lower levels.

 

Props: Beast is at best solid these days, no longer the impact he used to be. Time is running out but worth hanging onto for now. Greatest travesty of all is the snubbing of Kitshoff by Meyer, this guy is potentially the best loosehead in the game……in fact I will go so far as to say he is the best. It is unbelievable that he has not won a Bok cap yet. My first phone call would be to him apologising for the disgusting treatment he has been dished out by the incompetent Meyer. Nyakane has found his feet at test level, have always been a fan…..at home at 1 or 3. Thomas du Toit is a star in the making, he is going to be huge, sooner than later. Has it all. Am a big fan of Ollie Kebble another mountain of a lad going places. Young Schoeman of the Bulls is one to look out for, was very impressive as a Baby Bok last year and has now broken into the senior squad. What has happened to impressive S.v/d Merwe of the Lions at 1? Mellett is a good player who seems to have lost ground at the Bulls thanks to injury. Malherbe was very impressive this WC in particular that last game against the Argies……his scrumming has always been his strength but his tackle count of 17 in the Argies game was huge as was his display with ball in hand. My MOM that game. Coenie is back from injury thank goodness had a great season at 3 until his injury. At 26 he has plenty to offer, will be good to see him in partnership with du Toit at the Sharks. Marcel v/d Merwe showed his quality in the few tests he played this year only to be snubbed by Meyer, another pathetic call. Rate this guy big time. Koch was very good this s15 and looks the real deal. One to watch is 133kg Wilco Louw of WP, impossible to budge in the scrums……one for the future. Redelinghuis and Dreyer have their place, not convinced by their size though and would be telling at the highest level. Engelbrecht the new Sharks tighthead has been a good find…..a real lump of beef. de Bruin of the Cheetahs looks handy at 3 and I like the look of Maks v/Dyk.

 

Hookers: Bismark and Strauss still reign supreme. Malcolm Marx has had a good CC and looks to be a Bismark clone, our best prospect post our incumbents. Scara and Mbonambi are good players, more as impact players. Ackers of the Lions looked really good this s15 but missed the CC through injury I guess. Cooper lost ground at the Sharks. Young Marais of the Sharks looks promising. Coetzee of the Lions and Visagie of the Bulls are good hookers. We are a little short at 2. Marx being the standout prospect.

 

Locks: Etzebeth is the best in the game, closely followed by Lood. This pair has the potential to surpass Bakkies and Vic, but the likes of Willemse and PSDT might have something to say about that. Willemse is another player completely missed by useless Meyer. PSDT has the potential to be better than Lood……that is how good our lock stock is. Not to mention the very impressive Jacques du Plessis who is able to play 7. Another big Meyer miss. These are our top 5, which are closely followed by the impressive WP pair in Ruan Botha and Jean Kleyn Lions pair Mostert and Lorens Erasmus. Erasmus being one of the real finds of the CC, what a prospect this lad looks. The impressive Lewies will be back for the s15, have plenty of time for this live wire. Carl Wegner has been good for the Cheetahs. The Baby Bok pair of Jason Jenkins and RG Snyman look the real deal, both having broken into the Bulls senior side this CC, not bad for two 20 year olds. Based abroad we have two handy youngsters in Quinn Roux and Peet Marais. Like centres we have locks to burn.

 

Loosies: Vermeulen is still our best. Schalk showed that there is still life in the old dog. Kolisi and Carr have been under-utilized at the highest level, big fan of both. I can’t believe hard man Elstadt has never even had a Bok training squad call up. Has been great for WP this year. A perfect hard man at 7. Notsche has been another find of the CC. What running skills this lad has for a loosie…..best suited to 6 given his size. Cloete the bodybuilder looked a real handful until his injury. How on earth like Kitshoff has Jaco Kriel not played for the Boks…..Louw does a solid job but Kriel is twice the player. de Wit looks handy at 7 for the Lions, another hard man. Whiteley is very good but not big enough for a test 8. Kwagga Smith, the 7’s star is a brilliant impact player…..punches way above his weight…..brilliant attacking skills. Oupa is a good player as is Jean Cook who missed much of the season for the Cheetahs. Brussouw was another Meyer let down. Arno Botha looks back to his best and is a sure bet for any Bok squad. Munster player of the year CJ Stander would be another I would be making a call to…….he has to be brought on board before he is lost to Ireland…….typical Meyer missing the boat. Roelof Smit looks handy for the Bulls and it was good to see the impressive Labs playing 6 for the Bulls where he belongs. Young Baby Bok captain, Liebenberg looks a real prospect at 8. Marcel Coetzee had a great year for the Boks but missed out on the WC through injury although I am not sure clueless Meyer would have selected him. Its good to have v/d Walt back in SA playing good rugby for the Sharks, he would never let a test side down. Am a huge fan of the impressive Mtembu, looks the real deal to me. The du Preez twins are as hard as nails, great to have them on board as bruising 7’s. Louw had some good moments in the WC, credit where credit is due.

 

How on earth given the above can you not pick a winning squad, I ask with tears in my eyes. Give the job to me!!

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Nov 2015, 17:02
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03 Nov 2015, 17:02#2
 You have no clue about the job....not having had  even your own secretary to manage. You think it's all about selection and miss everything else. Nothing about tactics, team formation, building depth, managing externalities....just picking another list. And as usual you even get that wrong.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
03 Nov 2015, 17:02
#3
03 Nov 2015, 17:02#3
 God forbid. In any case, you are abroad and you have stated many times that you would not return. So how does that fit in with only playing players who are local but with the coach sitting with his arse somewhere in a hut in England?
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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
03 Nov 2015, 17:47
#4
03 Nov 2015, 17:47#4
Saffex as a pure overview of the current SA rugby players situation that's awesome, pretty much everyone to look out for next year. We do have a hell of a lot of depth.

In term of Jaco Kriel, I know he's a very dangerous ball in hand runner, what's he like as a fetcher? And in terms of that who's the best fetcher currently in SA?

I'd say I see Faf as our future scrum-half rather than Hougaard, but a player with the running ability and defensive tenacity shouldn't be wasted on the bench or not in the squad so I really think he's ideal for one of the wings. In terms of a back up Scrum-half, I like what I saw from Rudy Paige, he'd offer a good alternative style to your Faf's, Hougaards and Reinachs. He's more of a old-fashioned scrummie. 

Kitshoff/Nyakane will have the loose-head position on lock for a number of years. I'd imagine Strauss/Bismarck have a few more years left, I haven't seen a lot of Marx so I look forward to it. Malherbe showed some good stuff, as did Koch in S15, the Tight-head fight will be interesting.

Locks, Etzebeth is a given, if he's fit, he plays. And a good few young locks to play for the other spot. Lood gave a good account of himself this WC, and the experience is very valuable.

De Allende and Kriel need to be kept together for the Boks, we've given them a chance, let them build a partnership. 
I've seen a bit of Ulengo, he looks promising but we have to see how he translates to super rugby. Senatla is promising, his speed will always be a danger. Kolbe is far too talented a player to be left out just because of his size, it will be interesting to see where he ends up.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,280 posts
03 Nov 2015, 17:57
#5
03 Nov 2015, 17:57#5
Saffex just stock take of the newest curry cup players.v2015.release112.variant 31.fatedave.doc
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Nov 2015, 17:58
#6
03 Nov 2015, 17:58#6

Huh Moffie, what part of tactics, gameplans etc did you not pick up when I said that it was a pretty universal art unless you are going to tell me there are a hundred different variables in terms of how the game is played.


The art of a great coach is one that gets his selections right......the coach who identifies the 23 best players to execute the few variables involved in the game. The very reason Meyer has failed is that the man cant get 50% of his side right......compare that to Hanson who at best gets 95% of his selections right every time.


You just don't get it do you. We can all brief the world on how the game should be played......gameplan A, B and C etc, we cant all get the selections right.....just look at your picks, they are as pathetic as Meyer's......you are both born losers.


My sec does not need managing, she managers me!! My team is a different story though......I rule with an iron fist!!   

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Nov 2015, 18:00
#7
03 Nov 2015, 18:00#7

Shark is that you trying to be funny again........you crack me up, sooooo funny


Send us another surferboy  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Nov 2015, 18:00
#8
03 Nov 2015, 18:00#8
Vlag should I have written that in your pathetic taal?  
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
03 Nov 2015, 18:11
#9
03 Nov 2015, 18:11#9
 You couldn't. Even if you wanted to. You are too thick.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Nov 2015, 18:13
#10
03 Nov 2015, 18:13#10

APD


We have more class young talent than we have ever had since I have followed the game.....only a complete idiot would not be able to identify 30 odd of the best and turn them into world beaters.


Disagree on Hougaard on the wing, complete waste of a resource. There has never been an issue with this guy other than him being forced to play a conservative game under Ludeke and useless Meyer. Under new coach Marais at the Bulls he has shone and is back to his best. 5 CC tries says it all.


Paige is at best solid, is not better than Faf, Reinach and Hougaard, who are our best 3.


de Allende and Kriel are a must with Serfontein in the mix as well. Big fan of Vorster, Odendaal and Frans Venter as well. Not to mention Mnisi and Swanepoel.


We have to get the impressive Willemse involved at the highest level. He is as good as Etzebeth and Lood. Same can be said of PSDT


Kitshoff is awesome at 1, big fan of Nyakane......but Thomas du Toit could be the real gem.


Malcolm Marx is just like Bismark, freakishly strong.....looks as hard as nails......115kg say it all.


Malherbe has cemented his spot at 3. I prefer Marcel v/d Merwe to Koch. Look out for young Wilco Louw of WP......the guy is a fridge.


Ulengo looks the real deal, big at over 100kg and has good skill and pace, played 7's which is handy. Kolbe is a must. Senatla has the x factor but we need to see if he can manage a full s15 defensively.


Jaco Kriel is just as good as the next fetcher in terms of effecting turnovers.....its a strength of his. His skills and speed would add clout to the Bok mix. Louw had a solid WC, but he lacks the skills of a Hooper.....which is what Jaco brings to the table.  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Nov 2015, 18:16
#11
03 Nov 2015, 18:16#11

Vlag why not show us how bright you are with your first ever rugby post......come boerseun......show us what you are made of......its been many years coming.....you have time on your hands.....well sort of, you must be 70+ these days?


Time in terms of sitting on your sorry arse doing nothing all day, but limited days on planet earth given your advanced age.....how old are you these days old fart?


Hoe oud?  

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
03 Nov 2015, 18:18
#12
03 Nov 2015, 18:18#12
 Yes, Saffex for Springbok Coach. Gets my vote 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Nov 2015, 18:22
#13
03 Nov 2015, 18:22#13
Would not take much to improve on our current clowns record......hell my first game would be against Japan!!  
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
03 Nov 2015, 19:03
#14
03 Nov 2015, 19:03#14
 I have faith in you 
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
03 Nov 2015, 19:57
#15
03 Nov 2015, 19:57#15
Spoken with England's interests at heart surely, Becs. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Nov 2015, 20:32
#16
03 Nov 2015, 20:32#16
 Now now Pakie 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Nov 2015, 20:56
#17
03 Nov 2015, 20:56#17
 We'll still beat the Poms, even with Saffex at the rudder! 
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
03 Nov 2015, 21:00
#18
03 Nov 2015, 21:00#18
 Pakie ! That is mean 
I have no idea who you are talking about, Draad. You might well beat the " Poms ". As my team is England, I have no concern about anyone else 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Nov 2015, 21:03
#19
03 Nov 2015, 21:03#19
 Fair enough Becs!
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Nov 2015, 21:37
#20
03 Nov 2015, 21:37#20
 Dave 
It is a very long list so I am going to reduce it from what I have seen thus far to players i believe we must follow in Super Rigby:-
Full backs
Le Roux, Coetzee, Gelant
Wings
Habana, Pietersen, Ulengo, Combrinck
Centers
De Allende, Kriel, Vorster, Serfontein
Flyhalf
Pollard, Lambie, Du Preez
Scrummies
De Klerk, Reinach, Hougaard, Venter
No 8
Vermeulen, Van der Walt, Botha
No 7
Labuschagne, Notshe, Coetzee
No 6
Kriel, Coetzee
Locks
Eizebeth, De Jager, Du Toit, Willemse/Du Plessis
Props (Tightehead)
Malherbe, Koch, Van der Merwe, Redelinghuys
Props (Loosehead)
Beast, Nyakane, Kitshoff, Van der Merwe, Du Toit
Hookers
Du Plessis, Strauss, Marx


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Nov 2015, 21:42
#21
03 Nov 2015, 21:42#21
 Vermeulen, Kitshoff and Habana won't be in SR next year....some others on your list too.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Nov 2015, 21:58
#22
03 Nov 2015, 21:58#22
Kolbe is a must on the wing
Jantjies at 10
No to Redelinghuis at 3, Coenie is a must
Labs is not a 7 too small
Kolisi is a must at 6
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
03 Nov 2015, 22:02
#23
03 Nov 2015, 22:02#23
 DbDraad
 
Status: Senior player 
Posts: 3177RE: Give me the Bok job I say
November 03, 2015, 21:42:44

 Vermeulen, Kitshoff and Habana won't be in SR next year....some others on your list too.


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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Nov 2015, 23:08
#24
03 Nov 2015, 23:08#24
"Coenie  is a must" says it all ....but I'd vote in a heartbeat for Sapp as All Black coach.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Nov 2015, 23:09
#25
03 Nov 2015, 23:09#25
Players in South Africa...Sapp muddying it in Norwich.  
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
03 Nov 2015, 23:47
#26
03 Nov 2015, 23:47#26
 What a load of bollocks ...... ouDawie has a lot of time on his hands . Unemployed ?
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
03 Nov 2015, 23:49
#27
03 Nov 2015, 23:49#27
 I too like the look of Maks v/Dyk
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Nov 2015, 00:03
#28
04 Nov 2015, 00:03#28
 Perv would like his cousin Dick.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Nov 2015, 00:05
#29
04 Nov 2015, 00:05#29
Norwich....is that an age thing?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Nov 2015, 00:36
#30
04 Nov 2015, 00:36#30
 Nope there are older cities. But you are the guy that loves the flat, muddy fens....why did you pick Norwich? Not a great area but I did buy a Lotus Esprit Turbo in Hethel once.
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becsPro4,378 posts
04 Nov 2015, 01:25
#31
04 Nov 2015, 01:25#31
 Ha ha ha ! I think you best leave him to it, Saffex !! 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Nov 2015, 01:34
#32
04 Nov 2015, 01:34#32
 Mozart's world has collapsed around him.  The failed players he supported and virtually all let the squad down in the RWC - is not there anymore and he cannot fathom anything different.  
So back to the antic of personal attacks on posters - since he has nothing constructive to provide in postings.   
One has to sympathize with him - he based every argument of his over the last three years on reputation players and those of them who are not out already out, are on the way out.   He has nothing to offer as a result and will be further embarrassed in future because of that.   .       
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Nov 2015, 06:41
#33
04 Nov 2015, 06:41#33
 Gosh I really thought you recently described another member as a part of the female anatomy.....but I suppose that's not a personal attack. Hypocrisy is live and well in the Queer's world.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Nov 2015, 08:02
#34
04 Nov 2015, 08:02#34
 Could ou snapster do better than Pdv is the question!
Snapster you cant possibly think all those players are test quality! Some of your midget backline picks are laughable. Quaker smith! Bwahahahahahaha my aching sides would not allow me to comment further!

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
04 Nov 2015, 08:32
#35
04 Nov 2015, 08:32#35
 
Haaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaa!!!

In all honestly, Dave ... that would be a disaster.

Selecting fools like HouGat at 9 or JJ at 13 or even Taute at 13 or 15. Bringing the useless Coenie in at 3 or slotting the brain dead Lood in as a starting 5 lock ... and then chalking up the quota Kolisi as a Bok to my mind confirms that you have no idea what's needed.

There are a lot of talented players in the country. Players that could and would take Bok rugby to another level if ever given a shot.

However , the players you favour are not the ones that would do so.

They would tip us over into the bottomless pit ... the abyss and I doubt we'll ever recover.

Sorry!!
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
04 Nov 2015, 13:57
#36
04 Nov 2015, 13:57#36
 So would that make you Zumas Goat-herder then Saffex? 
CH
ChippoPro3,372 posts
04 Nov 2015, 15:18
#37
04 Nov 2015, 15:18#37
 hell saffex
im surprised your son didnt make the cut!
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
04 Nov 2015, 15:37
#38
04 Nov 2015, 15:37#38
 No Chippo that would be nepotism .You like how no tier 1 team from the UK has a father in the coaching setup and their son in the team .That would be unseemly !
CH
ChippoPro3,372 posts
04 Nov 2015, 15:38
#39
04 Nov 2015, 15:38#39
 Kolisi at 6???
wtf?
are you serious?????
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
04 Nov 2015, 15:45
#40
04 Nov 2015, 15:45#40
 Mozzie........if all the points u raise regarding what skills a Springbok manager must posses are correct I have one question:
How the hell did Div and then HM get the job?
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