Coach57,555 posts
12 May 2017, 16:20
#121
12 May 2017, 16:20#121
There are nowhere season stats - but you can get the total stats easily by adding up the figures under the various activities. Childs play actually.
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Captain18,117 posts
12 May 2017, 17:00
#122
12 May 2017, 17:00#122
"Childs play actually."
Not if you're mathematically challenged, ou Maaik.
Imagine bragging about your Kellogg's Cornflakes Maths doctorate for all these years yet you can't do simple arithmetic!
LMAO!
Not if you're mathematically challenged, ou Maaik.
Imagine bragging about your Kellogg's Cornflakes Maths doctorate for all these years yet you can't do simple arithmetic!
LMAO!
Captain49,914 posts
12 May 2017, 20:55
#123
12 May 2017, 20:55#123
Tell you what Tokkie, you could have saved us all the bother by telling us they were make- believe stats. Hahahaha....LMAOFY!
Coach57,555 posts
12 May 2017, 22:01
#124
12 May 2017, 22:01#124
Mozart
Why don't you check the totals as suggested and instead you tske thr make-believe route because the stats as indicated are 100% correct and you would not admit it. The BS Fat Fransie performances in 2014 was previously summarized three quarters through the season and then you came up with the classic that Fat Fransiies value in the team is not reflected in his statistics.
Anybody can check the stats and they would find out that it is not make-believe stats. So if you think you can get away with this latest escape route you really are not clever. LMAO.
Why don't you check the totals as suggested and instead you tske thr make-believe route because the stats as indicated are 100% correct and you would not admit it. The BS Fat Fransie performances in 2014 was previously summarized three quarters through the season and then you came up with the classic that Fat Fransiies value in the team is not reflected in his statistics.
Anybody can check the stats and they would find out that it is not make-believe stats. So if you think you can get away with this latest escape route you really are not clever. LMAO.
Captain49,914 posts
12 May 2017, 23:46
#125
12 May 2017, 23:46#125
I have zero confidence in your veracity or your ability to add up the numbers.....nope I'm afraid I will have to consider these make-believe stats.
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For starters you have him scoring 150 points, without tediously adding up numbers I simply sampled that one stat. The right answer is 164.
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#Make-believe numbers.
Captain49,914 posts
13 May 2017, 03:53
#126
13 May 2017, 03:53#126
....16 conversions, 43 penalties......and 1 drop goal. Do the arithmetic.....does that add up to 150.....er nope, it adds up to 164.
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That's the simplest stat to get right, you botch it horribly and I am supposed to believe the rest of your calculations about "Fat Fransie" are right. No way Jose!
Coach57,555 posts
13 May 2017, 06:57
#127
13 May 2017, 06:57#127
So here are the stats as to points scored by Fat Fransie in all the games played by the Sharks:-
The above does not dispel the poor performance of Fat Fransie. The basic figures still indicates that and it is clear that any distortions by Mozart will not take that one away. How he could be 19 points out on the points gained by Fat Fransie in that series only he would be able to explain.
I view of the actual figures provided above I will review my comments as given previously. These are with previous figures in brackets as follows:-
* Steyn was credited with 2 (3) try assists - he played at flyhalf and center. Unlike other centers and flyhalfs he never scored a single try during that season
* Steyn converted goals resulting in 145 (150) points - sound wonderful until compared to other regular goal kickers, but is passable
* He kicked the ball 114 (109) times - passed 140 (136) times - ran with the ball 128 (122) times. A classic case of ball hogging when passing represent only 36,6%(36,5%) of balls he handled at flyhalf and center,
* He carried the ball 128 (122) times gaining 404 (390) meters for an average gain of 3,15 (3,91) meters per carry.
* He made 2 (3) line breaks beating 19 (18) defenders. Compare that to for instance 27 line breaks beating 73 defenders by De Allende in 15 games played showed how really poor Steyn's effort was.
* He made 16 (17) off-loads in the series representing on average 1 off-load per game, The off-loads were generally of poor quality leading to no material gains for the Sharks;
* His ball possession losses amounted to a total of 33 (34) - a record not ever equalized by any other flyhalf or center in Super Rugby
* His missed tackle ratio was 23,12% (22,67%) which is in fact way too poor.
* Add to that 13 (14) penalties and one yellow card given away by Steyn and one get a dismal picture of under-performance.PLEASE NOTE - I MISSED THE GAME BETWEEN THE SHARKS AND STORMERS PLAYED ON 12 JULI 2014 IN DURBAN - WHEN THE STORMERS SEND THEIR B-TEAM TO PLAY THE SHARKS IN DURBAN. I ADDED THE STATS FOR THAT GAME IN AN ITEM LISTED BELOW. FOR THE RECORD THEY WERE AS FOLLOWS:-
Steyn0/01912/4/5180022 9/10/000/0
THE ABOVE STATS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE TOTAL STATS IN A FURTHER POSTING ON THE ISSUE BELOW.
Bulls = 0
Hurricanes = 0
Lions = 17
Reds = 6
Bulls = 12
Waratahs = 3
Lions = 14
Cheetahs = 11
Highlanders = 0
Rebels = 17
Brumbies = 9
Crusaders = 10
Blues = 16
Stormers = 14
Cheetahs = 0
Highlanders = 16
Crusaders = 0
That adds up to only 145 points scored by Fat Fransie. You grabbed figures from the sky and then quote them on this site as being correct. I do not think that anything you write on this site is normally correct - so where did you get your 164 points from? Quote your source and explain the difference.
While you are notorious for misrepresentations here are all the stats from ESPN iro of Fat Fransie in 2014 Super Rugby:-
Bulls
Steyn0/102/6/9250302 7/10/010/0Hurricanes
Steyn0/002/5/11160223 5/20/020/0Lions
Steyn0/0179/10/8130302 2/20/010/0Reds
Steyn0/061/3/360002 7/10/020/0Bulls
Steyn0/0126/3/400002 9/30/010/0Waratahs
Steyn0/031/4/7140010 9/40/030/0Lions
Steyn0/0147/19/330002 10/10/000/0Cheetahs
Steyn0/0118/8/10140021 4/00/000/0Highlanders
Steyn0/009/8/5130003 5/10/000/0Rebels
Steyn0/01715/13/10340223 9/60/000/0Brumbies
Steyn0/0917/8/17861232 5/00/000/0Crusaders
Steyn0/1107/6/8561314 6/30/000/0Blues
Steyn0/0165/10/5301113 12/10/021/0Stormers
Steyn0/01410/17/11320222 5/11/000/0Cheetahs
Steyn0/005/9/9360011 5/10/000/0HighlandersSteyn0/0169/7/6260111 4/50/000/0Crusaders
Steyn0/001/3/2260011 9/20/010/0Adding up the above figures I made a mistake in crediting Fat Fransie with 5 more points than he actually scored - so I rechecked the figures - which you are obviously entitled to do. So I will recheck the figures provided above as well and here are the results:-Steyn0/2145114/140/1284043191634 113/340/0131/0The above does not dispel the poor performance of Fat Fransie. The basic figures still indicates that and it is clear that any distortions by Mozart will not take that one away. How he could be 19 points out on the points gained by Fat Fransie in that series only he would be able to explain.
I view of the actual figures provided above I will review my comments as given previously. These are with previous figures in brackets as follows:-
* Steyn was credited with 2 (3) try assists - he played at flyhalf and center. Unlike other centers and flyhalfs he never scored a single try during that season
* Steyn converted goals resulting in 145 (150) points - sound wonderful until compared to other regular goal kickers, but is passable
* He kicked the ball 114 (109) times - passed 140 (136) times - ran with the ball 128 (122) times. A classic case of ball hogging when passing represent only 36,6%(36,5%) of balls he handled at flyhalf and center,
* He carried the ball 128 (122) times gaining 404 (390) meters for an average gain of 3,15 (3,91) meters per carry.
* He made 2 (3) line breaks beating 19 (18) defenders. Compare that to for instance 27 line breaks beating 73 defenders by De Allende in 15 games played showed how really poor Steyn's effort was.
* He made 16 (17) off-loads in the series representing on average 1 off-load per game, The off-loads were generally of poor quality leading to no material gains for the Sharks;
* His ball possession losses amounted to a total of 33 (34) - a record not ever equalized by any other flyhalf or center in Super Rugby
* His missed tackle ratio was 23,12% (22,67%) which is in fact way too poor.
* Add to that 13 (14) penalties and one yellow card given away by Steyn and one get a dismal picture of under-performance.PLEASE NOTE - I MISSED THE GAME BETWEEN THE SHARKS AND STORMERS PLAYED ON 12 JULI 2014 IN DURBAN - WHEN THE STORMERS SEND THEIR B-TEAM TO PLAY THE SHARKS IN DURBAN. I ADDED THE STATS FOR THAT GAME IN AN ITEM LISTED BELOW. FOR THE RECORD THEY WERE AS FOLLOWS:-
Steyn0/01912/4/5180022 9/10/000/0
THE ABOVE STATS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE TOTAL STATS IN A FURTHER POSTING ON THE ISSUE BELOW.
Coach57,555 posts
13 May 2017, 08:32
#128
13 May 2017, 08:32#128
Mozart
You are at liberty to check all the above figures and compare them with the stats reflected on ESPN. However, I expect another effort at sidelining the issue or some other standard distortions as is normal with you.
You are at liberty to check all the above figures and compare them with the stats reflected on ESPN. However, I expect another effort at sidelining the issue or some other standard distortions as is normal with you.
Captain49,914 posts
13 May 2017, 20:00
#129
13 May 2017, 20:00#129
This from Wikipedia....Statsbunker have the same numbers. You obviously made some additional mistake, you admit to making one already.....egg city:
Player statistics
The following table contain points which have been scored in competitive games in the 2014 Super Rugby season.[267]
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All point scorers
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No Player Team T C P DG Pts
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1 Bernard Foley Waratahs 6 45 44 0 252
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2 Beauden Barrett Hurricanes 5 32 40 0 209
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3 Colin Slade Crusaders 4 20 46 0 198
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4 Marnitz Boshoff Lions 0 18 43 8 189
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5 Lima Sopoaga Highlanders 2 27 38 0 178
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6 François Steyn Sharks 0 16 43 1 164
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7 Jacques-Louis Potgieter Bulls 1 14 34 3 144
Captain49,914 posts
13 May 2017, 20:47
#130
13 May 2017, 20:47#130
Might have something to do with the fact that the Sharks played 18 games.....and you have 17 listed. Which of course means all your other numbers are happy horseshyte as well. Pleased I could help.
Coach57,555 posts
14 May 2017, 01:05
#131
14 May 2017, 01:05#131
Mozart
I checked the stats again. I in fact did miss a game between the Sharks and Stormers played on 12 July 2014 and has added the game to the above list, That in fact accounted for the 19 point difference you keep harping on as the stats for that game was as follows:-
Steyn0/01912/4/5180022 9/10/000/0
However if one adds that game to the total picture the results are as follows:-
Steyn0/2164126/144/1334223191836 122/350/0131/0
Thanks for your insistence for me to recheck the stats based on points scored by Steyn. The points indicated by you were in fact correct - but it did not nullify the situation that Steyn in fact has had a dismal performancerecord in 2014. In most cases he was so far below par in performance it is unbelievable how such a player could play on Super rugby level and not only get away with it - but is also stated as being the key player in the Sharks backline by his coach. His stats in fact indicated the exact opposite - Steyn was the main destroyer of backline play of the Sharks that year,
For the record I refer to the following in that regard:-
* Steyn was credited with 2 try assists - he played at flyhalf and center. Unlike other centers and flyhalfs he never scored a single try during that season
* Steyn converted goals resulting in 164 points - sound wonderful until compared to other regular goal kickers, but is passable
* He kicked the ball 126 times - passed 144 times - ran with the ball 133 times. A classic case of ball hogging when passing represent only 36,73% of balls he handled at flyhalf and center,
* He carried the ball 133 times gaining 422 meters for an average gain of 3,17 meters per carry.
* He made 2 line breaks beating 19 defenders. Compare that to for instance 27 line breaks beating 73 defenders by De Allende in 14 games played showed how really poor Steyn's effort was.
* He made 18 off-loads in the series representing on average 1 off-load per game, The off-loads were generally of poor quality leading to no material gains for the Sharks;
* His ball possession losses amounted to a total of 36 - a record not ever equalized by any other flyhalf or center in Super Rugby
* His missed tackle ratio was 22,29% which is in fact way too poor.
* Add to that 13 penalties and one yellow card given away by Steyn and one get a dismal picture of under-performance.
In total - even taking into account the above and comparing stats it was clear that FAT FRANSIE was the worst frontline center/flyhalf in Super Rugby in 2014.
Fact is also that White misjudged the situation totally - and his trust in the under-performing Steyn was part of the reasons why White was effectively fired by the Sharks.
I checked the stats again. I in fact did miss a game between the Sharks and Stormers played on 12 July 2014 and has added the game to the above list, That in fact accounted for the 19 point difference you keep harping on as the stats for that game was as follows:-
Steyn0/01912/4/5180022 9/10/000/0
However if one adds that game to the total picture the results are as follows:-
Steyn0/2164126/144/1334223191836 122/350/0131/0
Thanks for your insistence for me to recheck the stats based on points scored by Steyn. The points indicated by you were in fact correct - but it did not nullify the situation that Steyn in fact has had a dismal performancerecord in 2014. In most cases he was so far below par in performance it is unbelievable how such a player could play on Super rugby level and not only get away with it - but is also stated as being the key player in the Sharks backline by his coach. His stats in fact indicated the exact opposite - Steyn was the main destroyer of backline play of the Sharks that year,
For the record I refer to the following in that regard:-
* Steyn was credited with 2 try assists - he played at flyhalf and center. Unlike other centers and flyhalfs he never scored a single try during that season
* Steyn converted goals resulting in 164 points - sound wonderful until compared to other regular goal kickers, but is passable
* He kicked the ball 126 times - passed 144 times - ran with the ball 133 times. A classic case of ball hogging when passing represent only 36,73% of balls he handled at flyhalf and center,
* He carried the ball 133 times gaining 422 meters for an average gain of 3,17 meters per carry.
* He made 2 line breaks beating 19 defenders. Compare that to for instance 27 line breaks beating 73 defenders by De Allende in 14 games played showed how really poor Steyn's effort was.
* He made 18 off-loads in the series representing on average 1 off-load per game, The off-loads were generally of poor quality leading to no material gains for the Sharks;
* His ball possession losses amounted to a total of 36 - a record not ever equalized by any other flyhalf or center in Super Rugby
* His missed tackle ratio was 22,29% which is in fact way too poor.
* Add to that 13 penalties and one yellow card given away by Steyn and one get a dismal picture of under-performance.
In total - even taking into account the above and comparing stats it was clear that FAT FRANSIE was the worst frontline center/flyhalf in Super Rugby in 2014.
Fact is also that White misjudged the situation totally - and his trust in the under-performing Steyn was part of the reasons why White was effectively fired by the Sharks.
Captain49,914 posts
14 May 2017, 02:25
#132
14 May 2017, 02:25#132
Mike you need medical help.
Coach57,555 posts
14 May 2017, 09:14
#133
14 May 2017, 09:14#133
And you need psychological help, The moment when you refuse to even consider the full info on the pathetic Fat Francie and come up with a personal allegation instead of discussing the BS one of your favoured players produced in 2014 it indicates that there is a serious problem.
Coach57,555 posts
14 May 2017, 09:14
#134
14 May 2017, 09:14#134
And you need psychological help, The moment when you refuse to even consider the full info on the pathetic Fat Francie and come up with a personal allegation instead of discussing the BS one of your favoured players produced in 2014 it indicates that there is a serious problem.
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