How the Boks can become great again.

I can live with most of man's imperfections, starting with my own but knowing forgiveness.... but lying, dishonesty and deception carries no truck or sympathy with me.

And you will never find true happiness until you start being truthful and honest...in all things but it starts with yourself. It hurts but it is this that makes true manliness and feminity and sets you free. Love and respect others first (not their faults) and then you'll begin to love and respect yourself in the right context.

Chabal you really are a pompous arse.

Wardad...good stuff...my kind of world

 Hey Sebb been matching the hatch lately ? I have been fooling about with some tiny deceiver patterns on the local bream and whiting ,not as many as on baits but better quality .Using a 6 weight rod is fun when something bigger comes along !



Will post later...NZ is a paradise of fishing...but so is Oz...wish I worked harder in my youth to live there.

In SA the trout are dying off...the fishing is going down big time, so are we...rugby is just another flea on the dog's back

 I said "if you were born in Australia"It was a hypothetical statement. If you were born there, you would be supporting Aussie black and blue, therefore your character has been totally influenced by the trivial matter of your place of birth. 
Me on the other hand, it doesn't matter if I was born in NZ, Aus, SA, Wales....I would still be the same person with the same love for the Springboks, the same love for Indian cricket, and the same hate for patriotism because that's who I am.
You on the other hand, cannot say the same. If you were born in wales, you would support wales, if you were born in aus, you would support aus and probably detest New Zealand. To have such radically different potential Cloudys, to me is a sign of a weak character.

Mozart sadly you find truthfulness difficult to live with...you live in a country that thrives of pure bullsh ite...Disney Land , Hollywood, and Stocks and Shares from manipulation, crooked political agendas and wars...you have had criminals for leaders since JFK and now the delightful prospects of Clinton or T r ump...a morally declining cess pool playing the fiddle while Rome burns...I tell you I would rather liv e in Russia with all it's problems but I can say with authority and experience they are better people than the yanks...and that's in general...yes there are good americans but their morals, standards, ethics, religion and politics stinks to high heaven.

 I would love to know if anybody understand my view point here, or if taking a high IQ and abstract ideas to a rugby forum is a waste of time.

 Also, it was very obvious to me cloudy that you were part Maori.

 CloudyI can never understand why people think I'm arguing with them when all I'm really trying to do here is to get you to understand my point of view and why I do not support New Zealand.
You originally stated that you have a problem with people who don't support their own country. I am simply trying to open your mind to different viewpoints.
You seem like a likable person to me and I'm sad that you don't feel the same about me.
I feel like I've made my points pretty clear. I understand your point of view and I accept it. It's others that aren't accepting me.

 Nope, my ex gf is a Maori and my best friend is a Maori.I just picked it up through your language techniques, no big deal.

None of which negates the fact that you are a pompous arsehole Chabal.

Mozart, you have vindicated me...whatever you state is the opposite...really you are a fake...a real disappointment...i really respected you at first...your culture your love of golf classical music and your good judgement of my favourite singer Dmitri  Hvorostovsky...but so what...this only a silly forum...pompous means this....having or showing the attitude of people who speak and behave in a very formal and serious way because they believe that they are better, smarter, or more important than other people.


I am not this...in fact my weakness is self defacing but you insult guys like Ol'Maaik who are basically decent...get rid of pride...kettle calling the pot ...blah blah and all that . Get a life pal.

You say Ou Maaik is decent and the Russians are ethical....say no more.

Mozart, you have vindicated me...whatever you state is the opposite...really you are a fake...a real disappointment...i really respected you at first...your culture your love of golf classical music and your good judgement of my favourite singer Dmitri  Hvorostovsky...but so what...this only a silly forum...pompous means this....having or showing the attitude of people who speak and behave in a very formal and serious way because they believe that they are better, smarter, or more important than other people.


I am not this...in fact my weakness is self defacing but you insult guys like Ol'Maaik who are basically decent...get rid of pride...kettle calling the pot...blah blah and all that . Get a life pal.

Broken record.

 Cloudy hes not a Kiwi ,and we all know what sort of person says  his best friends a black,brown ,yellow zebra-striped or whatever colour proves hes supposedly not some racist git.

Wardad
If it helps you sleep at night thinking that there couldn't possibly be someone who doesn't love their country, then sure, I'm not a kiwi and am just a massive troll.

"I would love to know if anybody understand my view point here, or if taking a high IQ and abstract ideas to a rugby forum is a waste of time."
High IQ? Abstract ideas? 
LMAO! Someone seems to be a bit lacking in self-awareness!
Listen MrSpace, I'm not trying to be mean and there's no really nice way to say this, but you come across as rather dim while your rugby ideas aren't "abstract", they're prejudiced and just plain stupid.

 Still refreshing to see some new "faces" around here.

"Don't get me wrong, I think New Zealand is objectively a good country, however, I don't see it superior to a bunch of other countries at all. Cloudy, if you just so happened to be born in Australia instead of New Zealand, you would be sitting here loving Australia and swearing that you will always support them. Does it not rattle you that your very core as a character could so easily have been different with a simple change of birthplace? It just makes no sense to me how people's birthplaces influence them as people....it's just baffling to me how such a trivial matter can influence which team someone supports, which country they fight for, and what religion they adopt. It's almost like these people are just being given a default setting and never questioning it." Probably the most interesting point raised here in a very long time. MrPace, trying to get people to think past the cultural operating system that has come to define them is task very much lost on most people. For many there wouldn't be a personality left if they this. Their culture is their solace and their crutch. It helps them connect with the world. A nice shade of pride through which to view others. Funny thing is that we view culture as great positive, when actually it's one of the greatest obstacles to human connection. To me it is proof of how truly infantile the human race is. That we value a pacifier over deeper understanding. You'll always be mocked for questioning the status quo. Few will even attempt to understand the point that you are making. It frightens them. It's been shown that making an argument against what another perceives as their truth results in their brain responding in the same way as it would if they were being physically attacked. Look no further than some of the above comments as further evidence of this. Funny. Funny and predictable. Personally i think you are wasting your time on the Springboks but I do applaud your thought processes.

 There's a Maori technique????

So that's what it sounds like to speak like a Maori.
I knew it. Just makes you more interesting, Lara!! Habba hab ba!!
Don't let this arse upset you. He sounds more and more like Gonso the Gimp every post. 
Hey Gimp ... the lady has an assortment of blood lines and so I'm a little confused. 
Were you able to distinguish between her German and Welsh technique of the English language? How about her use of the English technique of the English language? Did you manage to pick up from which part of England it comes? 
Funny ... it all sounded like ordinary English to me ... but then again what do I know. 
I'm half Danish. Be so kind as to tell me which technique I'm using now? 
How about now? 
And now??
Don't be shy!!

 Thank you Plum. It really is refreshing to hear from someone like you, I appreciate your response.
CleanCut, no I was not able to pick up on any German or Welsh techniques in her writing. Probably because she is not subjected to German or Welsh people as they are just long descendants of hers. As someone who lives here and interacts with Maori people daily, I am able to tell more often than not if that person is Maori through the medium of writing. 

 MrPaceCan you be so kind as to ignore the low life......you are inadvertently dignifying him with a response.

 Probably sound advice Denny

 Miss Cloudy, JW  and Wardad are friends.....they are good people besides being rugganuts.

 ...Dense you and yr new friend have so much in common... both coincidently Stormer/Bok fans, Mozart fans , chess enthusiasts , cricket fans ,...then there's the likeminded dislike of Kiwis ,CC and Rooinek, the signature clickbait headings yr so good at,  the great existential crises...glad you've found a new buddy ..

 ....."then there's the likeminded dislike of Kiwis".....Barefaced Liar! Actually, if there's a Kiwi I dislike, it's you . Now go and wash your mouth...with water...not piss. There's always the one rotten apple, hey Sh!tting Bull!?

 ...y;know they say when you get angry it's a sign of guilt...sorry if I flipped yr b!tch switch..

 The poor sod hasn't twigged on to his new found mate. 
He still thinks this wankstain is a new addition to the board.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaa!!!

 "flipped my switch"....hilarious.
A Flip flipping my switch......Bwhahahahahahahaha
Have another go, Sh!tting Bull....you funny little man.

  The surest way if only one would be to give the bok shirt to the NZ team and get them to play.

Apart for this way, you can cling to a glorified past that was not sustained by proper allocation of wealth, write line up after line up that is going to do better than the previous failed one etc

 This McFarce geezer isnt hard to understand .Betcha as a kid instead of going goth to make him all differenty  he decided that barracking for anyone bar NZ would give him the point of difference he obviously still craves .Make him stand out from the "herd"while still feeding off it,Much as I despise beeno at least he supports his own .Nothing worse than a self loathing sponger .Sounds like a narsty pudding ,a self sponging loather ?

Yeah MrPace Case in point. Like I said. Funny. Funny and predictable.

 Hi Plum, good to see you back again.
My 2 bits about town and country: there can be no serious allegiance to land. It's about the people. We tend to identify with groups of people.

 Mr Pace a good article u posted but then u dragged the positive comments down by stating the fact that u have a high IQ etc. Stay positive and overlook the trash comments that will surely come your way.
Sport and in particular SA rugby unfortunately has sunk to an all time low internationally due to one factor and that is the POLITICAL AGENDA of the government.
Talented young players have no option but to sign for overseas teams mainly because they cannot be selected on merit to represent their country and secondly the Rand is worthless outside SA.
The average rugby supporter is colour blind and would support the national side with 15 black players taking the field if and only if the selection was based on merit.
Unfortunately even after all these years since the old system was abolished we still have this enforced system of transformation in place. Not only is it a racist policy but it places the players (of colour) who are selected in a demeaning position irrespective of their playing ability/standard. 
Perhaps it even hinders their performance on the field of play!
On top of this situation we are saddled with coaching staff that have no clue on how to handle a rugby team at international level.
Just how far must we fall before we wake up?
Cheers for now.

Hi Draad. We do identify with people. It's often a good thing but sometimes we'll identify so much with those people that we'll do anything they do. Instead of insulting MrPace, I'd rather appreciate his thinking since were there more Germans in the 1930s who thought similarly, Mr Adolf might not have ascended. It takes courage to step out of the crowd. More than most have. "How lucky for politicians that men don't think for themselves."

 Sadly South Africans have a long history of not thinking for themselves.....of thinking collectively. And it caused a lot of pain.

Hi Cloudy, good to see you posting again. Also good to see Plum back on here after an absence. Hard for me to understand Mr Pace's views on country & even harder to understand his not supporting the best rugby team in the world. Boks are my second favorite national team but there is nothing that would make them my first team. Mr Pace must be winding us all up Perhaps he would like to tell us my ethnic make up? I'm sure my writing style gives is away.

 Ummm Mallard with a touch of Muscovy ??

 Brilliant Wardad & very close

 ...JW my guess is the spaceman with the identity crisis  that posts minutes apart from Dense has yarpy parents...I don't know of any other Kiwis that get up at 3 am to watch rugby in SA...