How the Boks can become great again.

Brycy, yes Mr Pace is leaking clues as to his identity & no doubt all will be revealed eventually. You will notice that the deposed Mole Hunter Been has not ventured an opinion on the matter

You could be right Cloudy as they both like tennis. 
However, Beeno would have to have made major improvements in his typing skills & Mr Pace seems to have some semblance of sanity. Even with all of your therapy sessions that would be a miracle for Beeno .  

 MrPace in my not so humble opinion is an astute poster, is his own person, is not an unbearable fencesitter and his opinions at times are not that of the main. I don't see a problem.

 Cloudy, I would say quite a lot of people would watch forums from afar for years. Where else am I supposed to get local sentiment on where the Springboks are at?The reason it took me so long to join? Well just look at the state of some of the comments directed at me; it's no wonder really.
Bryce, no my parents are not South African. I spent my early years of high school living a lie that I was South African because I was afraid of the bullying that would ensue if people knew the truth. It didn't take long before my best friend exposed the truth and I was pretty much a lamb to the slaughter, but eventually I stopped caring what people thought and started wearing my bulls jacket every day to school. People started respecting me then.
I would've thought that if high school students in NZ could respect my decision, then older people on an SA forum could as well. Sadly, only a couple seem to.
No I am not Beeno or any other poster for that matter. What would be the point in that?

I think what Mr Pace is saying what all New Zealand fans have wanted to say for many years- before the Boks fell apart. thank you for your honesty

How many white South Africans support an English Premier League football team? Very very many. How many even know which local team won the league last year? Very very few. We accept this and don't bat an eyelid when we see a kid wearing a Chelsea shirt. Why is it acceptable? We accept it because we all agree that local soccer is a horrendous mix of ego, lack of talent and devoid anything resembling quality. Without admitting it we also condone it because inherently we are all racist to varying degrees and soccer is a "black" sport in SA. So, are we saying that it is fine to support teams outside one's border so long as they are better than local teams and one is racist enough to do so. This is the case for in SA. How many Kiwi soccer clubs are there? Do people in NZ support Premier League teams? So it's fine to not be a patriot sometimes? But when you ignore something so closely linked with the NZ heartbeat as the ABs then you have committed a red card foul. That sounds like insecurity to me. Is it really mature to shoot someone with a differing view down via schoolyard insults, instead if discussing their view with them? At what stage does the word bigotry enter the discussion? Far as I can tell none of the Kiwi members here attempted to enter into any kind of discussion. There were insults, suggestions that he is not real and then talks of how he just lacks moral fibre. Is this how you guys operate when you can't understand someone? If so, then I understand why he chooses the Springboks.

 The man makes a lot of sense.

 I see you're feeling a little better, Plum. No longer sulking, huh? 
I wonder how long it'll last before we see another tantrum ... followed by a slamming door? 
Ok ... so in other words ... you support MrPace and his views on the country of his birth. You support his right to dislike any and everything about his country, including the All Blacks.
Are you MrSpace?
You certainly are defending him. How come? 
A lot of what he says sounds a little like you. You know, that spaced out tone ... like a little too much zol was enjoyed recently?!! Or whatever other chemical your into now. 
When last were you goofed, Plum? Last night? Are you on a pluck now? 
One usually rejects failure and what I mean by that is consistently failing over a lengthy period of time. Not the once off we all have to suffer from time to time ... but something that's a regular feature ... like Bafana Bafana and the Boks.
The All Blacks have not given him any reason to replace them with the hapless Goats. In fact everything about the All Blacks demands respect and admiration. They are a humble bunch and have certain ethics in place that we do not. They ooze class in every department. Their behaviour and the way they play the game. 
To cast them aside for a flawed team like the Boks doesn't make any sense and that's why your tall length explanation doesn't wash.
I'd go back to the drawing board if I were you. Your post above needs a little work.
Give my best to MrSpacedOut.
 

 yea I think I get it ...spacemans here at the SA forum as part of  his anthropology studies... 

 I'm literally leaving in 4 weeks. 

 As I said before Cloudy, I have lived in Aus before and absolutely loved it. I'll miss you too.

 CC so he needs a "reason"? How about he comes to a conclusion based on what he perceives and practices his right to think for himself. Either counter his point of view or let it be and accept that he does think about thinks a few tiers above your pay grade. Throwing stones at him just makes you look even smaller than you are. Does this most basic of human rights annoy you? Tell me again how you hate dictators and believe so deeply in liberty, democratic freedoms and equality. Let's hear it for Mr I Love Democracy When It Suites Me! Sure we'll listen one more time to you whinge about how you hate the ANC discriminating against you. Sucks being a minority don't it. Maybe you have more in common with MrPace than you realise clever boy. Only, he doesn't seem afraid of the world. Because let's not forget, you're a "Christian" who hates blacks, g.ay.s, atheists, drug users and just about anything else that doesn't align neatly with your tiny little view of the world. And you justify it all by saying that you know you are not perfect. And God will forgive you. What a cute little Jesus soldier you are. Now there is some self-righteous, get out of jail free, circular and arrogant logic for you. You just don't realise how far at the bottom of the pile of human garbage you actually are. That ignorance is your saving grace. Be grateful for it. Cloudy, unless you live in a perfect country, which you don't, it might prove useful to pay attention to those who aren't happy with aspects of life there. Even if they are being unreasonable, you might learn something. In SA we have a lot of radical black people using the same words "If you don't like it then get out." Ask CC how he feels about that. Shall we just pass laws that exile anyone who is unhappy with the state of things and brave enough to say what they think. Then years later sit around debating why little Jimmy entered a cinema with an automatic weapon and proceeded to kill as many as he could. Like it or not, dialogue is the only acceptable response in an open and free society. I assume NZ does pride itself on being open and free right? Any criticism of the norm seems to be jumped on by the masses. It's such a cliche human response.

 MrPace, If you're stopping by in Sydney and have the time I can suggest a good coffee shop.

 Plum, that was probably the most systematic destruction of a human being I have ever seen. I am out of energy on this thread to do it myself, but you have done it for me (and probably more ruthlessly than what I'm capable of ). I thank you.
Cloudy...my commiserations, I hope you can sleep alright tonight.
Denny, I love a good coffee so will hit you up for sure. Thank you. 

 
The average rugby supporter is colour blind and would support the national side with 15 black players taking the field if and only if the selection was based on merit.
Unsupported by facts. At the moment, SA training system is so poor it cant train non white players. Not a single non white players in the squad who is not boosted. Way too many systems do better than SA's.


Unfortunately even after all these years since the old system was abolished we still have this enforced system of transformation in place. Not only is it a racist policy but it places the players (of colour) who are selected in a demeaning position irrespective of their playing ability/standard.

The abolition of an action is usually never enough to make up for the consequences of the action.

Ruining a place and stopping (eventually when there is nothing left to ruin) does nothing to restore the place.

Excellent men are unable to provide anything close to a plan.

Instead of speaking of the stop, better to face the reality, SAs have been failing to undo what they  did.

Cloudy One doesn't need to know to know much about a country, a business, a family or a team to know that it is always worth hearing out those who are unhappy. Of the many complaints they have, it would be worth listening just on the off chance that one might be valid. Not sure how me saying this leads you to think that I'm being presumptuous. Call it patronizing if you like. To me it just makes sense. Of course I'm not happy with the current state of SA. I don't know many who are. Discern if you are Maori? I don't really care what you are. And no, I can't tell. Does it matter?

 Why has this topic not died yet? It's like dragging a carcass...

Many topics morph & have a life of their own Quacky :)

"Why has this topic not died yet? It's like dragging a carcass..."
You think this is bad? Moffie went on for about 2 years about being a quarter of an inch taller than Dave aka Saffex.
I'm not even exaggerating . . . for at least 2 years we were subjected to a daily bombardment of posts from Moffie demanding recognition for being taller than Dave. 
All the foot-stamping and the bleating was in vain though, because those of us who have actually seen pictures of both Moffie and Dave can confirm that Moffie wouldn't be taller than Dave if he stood on tiptoe while wearing his highest pair of platform shoes and his largest toupee.
Anyway, note that this is not the first (and probably not the last) time that the sad and lifeless loser calling himself MrPace has returned here from a self-imposed exile and tried to create a stir by being controversial and edgy . . . except he has no self-awareness and he doesn't realise that he doesn't create controversy or edge, he just sounds whiny and needy . . . and stupid.
Thankfully he's a weak little crybaby so he never lasts very long. He'll post for a few weeks but at some point he'll make a gigantic fool of himself and then he'll disappear in a puff of outraged fury and go sulk for a few months before slinking back with a new name hoping that everyone' s forgotten his last humiliation or that no-one will recognise him.
It's his pattern. He does goes through the same routine over and over again. Sad but true . . . that is how he rolls.

Well Master Jonas, you should know you responded to most of my posts......LMAOFY!

Figured out who Mr Pace is yet Turncoat?