I think you get people that try to remain impartial, but it goes wrong. Often you see the person who is speaking the truth end up being attacked, because they aren't sensitive to another person's needs to feel happy with a lie. Yet this wounded petal is most often the wolf doing the biting and snarling.
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I have decided to not get involved with the campaigns of Mozart and co. They love their own hate campaigns and the so-called analysis they give is always done to discredit players they dislike. Everyone else is exonerated of making any mistakes in their book.
Before they start with you better ignore their BS.
Blue, don't step in it!
Biased BS
Mozart you hit the nail on the head.
Clever Mike. Of course we are going to provide evidence against players we don't rate. That's what an analysis is going to achieve, the pros and cons. If we see a problem and investigate that problem we're going to have something to say about it. And low and behold it's the supposed haters (I really really hate that term) who have actual information to bring to the table. You accuse us of hate, but we are not the people slinging insults at people and insulting players. Where have I called a player a fat slob, worthless and making up stories about them to sully their reputation to whoever will take you seriously? You make threads calling people out, insulting them. You have no respect for anyone so why should anyone take you seriously?
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Jul 04, 2018, 09:18Bwahahahaha! It is final, Mike is just taking the piss! Nobody can possibly be this doff. Mike, please explain how Flek was showboating behind the try line, when the ball is already out of his hands long before he even reaches the try line? The actual meters don't matter. The only point in that sequence where Felk is over the try line, is when he is flat on his belly.
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Jul 04, 2018, 09:23I must just quickly add, before I get thrown into the "prejudiced fools" heap, I never liked Flek as a player or as a coach. He was stupid to get caught out in this incident, and deserved to be embarrassed, but that does not change the fact that Mike is smoking his socks if he thinks Flek was showboating behind the try line.
Still need more evidence??
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Jul 04, 2018, 09:38Yup, the Stormers beat the Bulls 29-17 in their last outing. Round 12 just in case anyone wants to verify it. Mike, don't let the facts perturb you though, you just soldier on and forget all the mean things the people say.
0 0 Likes"Bwahahahaha! It is final, Mike is just taking the piss! Nobody can possibly be this doff. "
This is possibly the best words I've read from Moz and there is an element of truth and sincerity in it and in this context I accept it.
Having said that my take on rugby is probably is different to most...I'm certainly no expert, never will be and it's not an intention or ambition to do so. I simply enjoy the game but it's not my "god" and have many other interests I enjoy in life and although I prefer some more than others they add up to make life more balanced and enjoyable. I admire certain players but that is all and never put any person on a pedestal...even the very best people in whatever fields they aspire to have many shortcomings and flawed. I see things quite differently than most and is probably why I'm misunderstood to.
I'm fond of both Mike and Moz in a very different way...both have shortcomings but so do I...perhaps too many.
Be that as it may, Ol' Maaik you have gone completely overboard and lost it. When I was a little boy, we were trained and disciplined at home, boarding school etc to always own up when you knew you have done wrong and be humble and take your punishment. It was the brave way, the hard way but the honest and best way. You don't see this any more and as a result we are a society of duckers and divers...hypocrits that never improve and nuture false vanity and pride...it downgrades manliness and womenhood.
Mike and others need to look at themselves in the mirror sometimes.My 2 cents worth.
BS by Mozart on dishonesty. He has been caught out lying too often and I regard him as one of the worst people I have ever come across in my life as a human being and I have come across some really bad ones. If there is a pervert of dishonesty he is it. Calling me a pervert is just one of his total dishonest lies he made on site.
Yes Mike that appears true but 2 wrongs don't add up to a right only a double wrong...both of you need to apologise to each other, shake hands and move on...otherwise a more destructive force of anger, resentment and bitterness will take hold and eat away and destroy both of you. A real man chooses the hard way and initiates reconciliation...forget about others and what they think and just do it...remember the one who gives forgiveness is the winner not the loser and if both give it sincerely then it's a very big winner.
Seb
I tried numerous times in the past to make peace with Mozart and he constantly broke agreements within fourteen days. May try it again - b ut am afraid it will not work out again.
Fair comment Moz, and as Sebb has said, very honest. My reply to your initial comment may have seemed a bit petty, but I really felt I needed to get my point across. Just to give you a perspective on my comment style. Like you, I frequent this board for my own enjoyment, to catch up on alternative rugby perspectives, and to take part in a little banter. It may seem as though I am too timid or as you put it "sit on the sidelines", but if you read my comments more thoroughly you'll notice that I simply consider alternate views and either agree or disagree with them based on the merit of the counter arguments. Here is the important part, for me it is not a cock size contest, if someone else is right or legitimately rebuffs my argument, then I don't mind admitting it. If you think that makes me some sort of pushover, then you have me all wrong. A pretty simple example of this is the numerous arguments and spats I have had over the years with you, Denny, Rooinek, Saffex, CleanCut, Beans and a bunch of others. So that's my perspective in a nutshell. I don't come here to fight and argue, but I will if I feel wronged or I feel I have a legitimate point to make. All that said, your comment above does to a large extent, sum up how I feel about this form. Which brings me to Mike....
Mike, this is a bit of an olive branch, because as I said, I have been at your throat for the last while, but I need to make a few points.
1) You need to learn to admit when you are wrong. In case you have not noticed, just about nobody ever agrees with you about anything anymore. You make statements as though what you are saying is the verified truth, but Mike, you need to be honest with yourself and take note of the fact that with many of the things you state as the truth, you stand 100% alone. We can't all be wrong.
2) You need to realise, and this is very important, you are fucking up the board by constantly attacking certain people, and making every single thread about you and the same boring old issues. If you go back and read various comments from a wide variety of posters, you'll see I am telling the truth. I am not attacking you, I am just stating the facts. People are getting gatvol of you, and nobody supports you anymore.
3) You need to have an honest look at yourself. I don't believe you are a bad person, but I do believe you have let your emotions and your perspective get completely compromised by this childish thing you've got going with Moz.
Let just talk rugby. And please please PLEASE, can we stop with the childish name calling.
Mike
You do need to get a grip.
I have no issue with you and I feel that your contributions are vital to this board. That's truly what I think.
At the same time, there is not single person here who give a toss about your posts attacking Moz. Objectively speaking, you do make way too many threads directly aimed at him and you also ruin too many threads by turning the conversation toward your perceived opinion of his views.
Even if you get your wish and prove that Mozart is a complete liar, rugby ignorant and scumbag...nobody cares man. And if he proved the same about you, still nobody would care.
The bitter truth: 1) You are being selfish and 2) you've put yourself on a fool's errand that leads nowhere.
It actually makes one a bit sad when you consider the amount of wasted time on your part.
My priorities here are
1) prove kiwi cheating in the hopes of demoralizing their society enough so that we can beat them.
2) rugby info
3) banter
Can't you guys be reasonable like me. Geez
"Let just talk rugby. And please please PLEASE, can we stop with the childish name calling."
Ok skattie
Just kidding man. I totally agree.
Anyway Pakie is gonna start uploading some vids for discussion which is gonna be awesome and maybe it's up to us to drown out the kak with reasonable and worthwhile debate.
If you can't beat em, be bigger.
Moz, what would you to have the draadsitters do? Also join the bickering? Condemn Mike? Run him off the board? I'm not prepared to do these things and I don't think that's what you want, so what should the responsible thing to do be?
I've got my reasons for behaving like I do, but I don't want to discuss it in public....and I know that it's a cop out, (and I'll take the flack for it if need be), but that's what my gut tells me to do and that's what I've done.
I know that we had our differences in the past, but I have always tried to treat you with respect. If my behavior in this regard is offensive, please explain to me how?
Anyway Pakie is gonna start uploading some vids for discussion
He still needs to figure out how to make them
No one wants to run Mike off the board. We just want the level of discussion to be raised above liar this, liar that, straw men, insults, deliberate obtuseness, etc. If you know you've been proven wrong, accept it, admit it and move on. Don't keep moving the goal posts and keep trying to ridicule verifiable facts in an effort to save face.
I've figured it out already Ka.
See a kiwi...cheating has occurred.
It's the only solution that requires but one assumption.
I think it appears we've taken Moz's side because a) he doesn't turn every post to Mike and b) his count of starting petty threads is way less than Mike's.
Just from general memory
Agreed but everything you say about lies, insults and being obtuse can be applied to Mozart just as much as it is to clevermike, if not more.
Insults, maybe. Lies and obtuse, no. I have fact checked Mozart just as I have fact checked Mike. Mozart's descriptions of what happens on the field, the visually verifiable stuff, are generally spot on. There was a recent example of an incident where Mozart said a lineout took place outside the 22 and Mike insisted it was on the 22. Mozart was correct. Just one of many. I haven't found him to be obtuse either. With obtuse I mean asking stupid questions like "how does a guy being tackled from behind 4m from the tryline end up sliding over the tryline?". Or why JP didn't cover Barrett - it should be clear to anyone with a basic knowledge of rugby that JP was pinned because he had to cover the free running Nonu as well.
And look, I have thrown around my fair share of insults as well. Sometimes you get provoked to that point. It's not something to be proud of, but nor is it humanly possible to always turn the other cheek when you're being insulted and ridiculed by someone who can't even produce a single shred of concrete backup for their attacks. That's why it will take a collective effort. One person decides not to play along, we're here again a week from now.
Nah, I'm sitting on the draad with Draad ...... for yonks I've barely glanced at the threads once they disintegrate into the, mozart .v. ouMaaik ping-pong lets insult mekaar carnivale. Right or wrong, ouMaaik stands alone.... lined up against him an impressive array of verbal heavy-hitters ............. Ceradyne, Lurker, Pakie, CC & mozart, ever ready (sic) to point out what they think of his opinions etc. Definitely more than enough firepower. My involvement won't be forthcoming. Ignorance shall remain bliss.
I have been observing the forum for many months. I haven't seen Mozart do any of the things I see Ka Mate accuse him of. The man has the right to defend his position and he has done that without resorting to being a bully. There's a difference to being a bully an d being someone that knocks a would be bully on his backside. Clever Mike is like that person who starts a bar fight against a much bigger man, and wakes up hours later in A&E in a body cast.
Moz, I know you are not a liar, but Ka Mate is.
I also know that when posters start to gang up on others and censorship and some sort of guidelines are being imposed, things go bad real fast. Moderation should be done by site admin and it should be faceless. As soon as posters start dictating the terms and conditions and maturity rule gets the upper hand, things go south at the speed of knots. Free speech and broad tolerance is the essence of internet chat forums. Without it the site will die.
PS, Lurker...Ka Mate is a bitter Saffa hater with a special resentment for Mozart...and Beenz. He claims to be a Kiwi, but I can't understand why he seems to over compensate all the time.
