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Jantjies...same old

Started by Mozart26 REPLIES493 VIEWS· 06 Jun 2015, 21:55
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jun 2015, 21:55
#1
06 Jun 2015, 21:55#1

Jantjies has been talked up a lot in recent weeks.....Sapp who badly needs a winner, has been his usual bombastic self. Jalapeno started touting him, the kiss of death. So I wasn't surprised when, as the pressure mounted, his goal kicking was impacted, the aimless passes emerged and his defence imploded. When Cat shrugged him off before his nasty concussion the writing was on the wall. Making 40% of your tackles doesn't cut it :

 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jun 2015, 22:03
#2
06 Jun 2015, 22:03#2
 Jantjies lacks composure and mental toughness.  If anybody wonders what these qualities look like watch Novak Djokovic.Coleman looks to be a bit nervy as well. Cat has amazing BMT but lacks attacking flair.Our only two flyhalf options really are Pollard and Lambie? Dont know how Goosen is going. Joe Pietersen has done well for the Cheethas.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
07 Jun 2015, 00:23
#3
07 Jun 2015, 00:23#3
mozzy & brother beeno still talking crazy i see, lolz,

ur biased is evidence by ur willingness to judge janties based on his last game.

janties is south africas form flyhalf period, hes also the form flyhalf of the spXV IMO, or more accurately tied with lima sopoaga as the comps form flyhalf.

IMO the role of flyhalf for the Boks RWC squad should consist of pollard, lambie and janties.

its not a coincidence that the lions and janties are both having their best super rugby season ever,
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Jun 2015, 00:34
#4
07 Jun 2015, 00:34#4

I'm not sure why Jantjies is still thought of as a potential Bok flyhalf......hell we'd all love to see a flyhalf who injects a bit of snap and crackle...not the pop Jantjies delivers.


Bok flyhalf??....you can't be serious!  


Yesterday he once again just occupied space....another desperado Saffex call goes...Kaboom!



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2015, 00:55
#5
07 Jun 2015, 00:55#5
Uziwaku obviously missed Jantjies' three missed kicks under pressure last week.
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
07 Jun 2015, 01:14
#6
07 Jun 2015, 01:14#6
@mozzy,

"Uziwaku obviously missed Jantjies' three missed kicks under pressure last week."

u mean the three missed kicks in the game the lions won???

nah i didnt miss those buddy. but for u to condemn the lad as if those goal kicking performances are the total sum of his parts show ur lack of understanding of janties game as a whole and the attacking weapons he can add to the Boks woeful backline.

but if goalkicking is the only barometer which u hold good flyhalfs by (talk about saffa stereotypes, ), then dont forget these little beauties from janties last 5 mtches before that waratahs match,,,

vs cheetahs 8 from 8
vs brumbies 2 from 3
vs highlanders 4 from 5
vs bulls 7 from 8
vs cheetahs 6 from 6

and checkmate,
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
07 Jun 2015, 01:35
#7
07 Jun 2015, 01:35#7
  and he's (Naruto) is back.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2015, 01:46
#8
07 Jun 2015, 01:46#8

No goal kicking is not the only criteria Sushi. It's not as important as goal kicking under pressure....and with a playoff spot in the balance he has missed 4 of his last 5. He also missed 3 of his nine  tackle attempts today. And turned over the ball once.

 

And about the other matches you mention.....much less pressure.

 

Performance under pressure was the question and we have our answer. Game, set and match.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
07 Jun 2015, 02:13
#9
07 Jun 2015, 02:13#9
@mozzy,

"Performance under pressure was the question and we have our answer. Game, set and match."
only someone as clueless as u would bring a tennis racquet to a chess match, LMFAO,
boom boom

"It's not as important as goal kicking under pressure....and with a playoff spot in the balance he has missed 4 of his last 5."
so with a playoff spot up for grabs, a janties led lions outfit dosent lose any of its last two matches, and u blame him for what exactly???
my point being they didnt lose mr cup half empty.

one wonders how the lions who are historically the worst super rugby team ever even got into a position to fight for a finals spot, mmmm hmmm.
FYI on behlaf of all true lion supporters, thank u janties,

now put the tennis rackquet away, u dont need it to knock ur king over,
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
07 Jun 2015, 02:39
#10
07 Jun 2015, 02:39#10
 It's as I said a while ago, this whole scenario is Goosen II. Jantjies merely played his part in a system that was very well crafted for and emphasized running. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jun 2015, 06:28
#11
07 Jun 2015, 06:28#11
 I expressed reservations about Jantjies temperament  before - he folds under pressure and that remains a problem.   He does not have the temperament to play for the Springboks in internationals.   That is the long and the short of it - even though Dave would go crazy about the latter statement.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jun 2015, 12:38
#12
08 Jun 2015, 12:38#12

He did not have a standout game but was easily the best of all the SA 10's on the weekend.....he had a good game.


So chew on that old fool  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jun 2015, 12:41
#13
08 Jun 2015, 12:41#13

Uzu you are spot on bud, one thing you will quickly work out is that Moz knows fuck all about rugby......he thinks useless Morne is a great 10 - enough said


Conservatism rules


Denise, let me guess - you have not seen a single game Jantjies has played in this year - just asking?  

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Jun 2015, 12:46
#14
08 Jun 2015, 12:46#14
The Alpha-Gimp Dense will just repeat whatever his master Moffie says. He has even less rugby credibility than LeTwat/Dim Sum . . . which barely seems possible!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2015, 12:51
#15
08 Jun 2015, 12:51#15

He choked.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jun 2015, 13:17
#16
08 Jun 2015, 13:17#16
At what point did he choke, what utter rubbish  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2015, 13:29
#17
08 Jun 2015, 13:29#17
 At the point he missed 4 of his last 5 kicks....it started towards the end of the last match and continued throughout the Stormers game. He also missed three of his nine tackle attempts and made some very dubious passes. He was a deer in the headlights again.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jun 2015, 13:31
#18
08 Jun 2015, 13:31#18
Bullshit, his passing was spot on name a single poor pass.....he was good, the best of the SA 10's on display on the weekend by some distance  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2015, 13:46
#19
08 Jun 2015, 13:46#19

Just a pity Cat bounced him off so easily and he couldn't make his kicks.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jun 2015, 16:59
#20
08 Jun 2015, 16:59#20
When did Cat bounce him?  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2015, 17:20
#21
08 Jun 2015, 17:20#21
 I will give you the time...but if you watched the game, it was noted by the commentator.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
08 Jun 2015, 17:53
#22
08 Jun 2015, 17:53#22
Kickers have off days but their action game can be sound...I was only 2 bricks and a penny high when the great All Black fullback captain, Don Clarke missed virtually all his kicks way back in the sixties against Natal bar 2...the result was AB 6, Natal 0.

I agree with Mike, Silky Hands has incredible skills but lacks big match temparament to date...he has still to prove this, nevertheless I don't write him off...he has had quite a few set backs but is still young enough to prove it.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
08 Jun 2015, 18:02
#23
08 Jun 2015, 18:02#23
And then you get kickers like Neil Jenkins of Wales and Jannie De Beer who were dead eye but very average in the all round game. I say, don't judge Elton by an off day or two....kicking can practised and mastered by getting confidence back with dedicated practice.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2015, 21:20
#24
08 Jun 2015, 21:20#24
It's not just goal kicking...it was passing and tactical kicking as well. And Dave the Cat dismissed Jantjies in the first few minutes of the game. ...ran right into and through  him.
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
08 Jun 2015, 21:29
#25
08 Jun 2015, 21:29#25
Skinstad was talking about Jantjies inconsistencies being a trademark of his career and what has held him back and I agree. I like the kid and love his attacking flair, but he's not enough of a total package ..... yet. Still young.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
09 Jun 2015, 11:27
#26
09 Jun 2015, 11:27#26

I'll agree that Jantjies has good hands and has been involved with the resurgence of the Lions this year but like most, it's his inconsistencies and the fact that he does not impose himself that turns me off. 


This might sound crazy but I'd like to see Willie as Bok Fly-half.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Jun 2015, 12:03
#27
09 Jun 2015, 12:03#27

I check it out Moz, do not recall it at all. His defence has been damn good all year, so the odd miss is just part of rugby.


I heard Bob's comment regarding inconsistency and thought at the time he was speaking crap.......Jantjies might have been a little inconsistent in the past, but that would have been down to him failing to get consistent game time and more than anything, faith invested in him by a coach.


He has received that under Ackers and has blossomed into the best 10 we have right now. Pollard is still the sure bet and a real talent, but right now Jantjies is better in igniting his backs and making things happen.


Far to many of you are far too conservative and narrow minded in your thinking.......you look at Jantjies and still judge him on what he was like prior to this year.....move on man.......its as bad a Moz telling me I rated Werner Kruger.....that was history.  

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