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JJ rips and de Jongh slips....

Started by Mozart32 REPLIES545 VIEWS· 06 Jun 2015, 21:47
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jun 2015, 21:47
#1
06 Jun 2015, 21:47#1

....waaahaahaha, just kidding. Juan ripped and JJ slipped.

 

Juan saved the game for the Stormers by powerfully ripping the ball out of the Lions hands under his own posts after the buzzer.....great heads up defence.

 

JJ who gave us a reprise of Barrett running over him a few games ago when Speith monstered the wee lad.....did the same thing again. This time, with time almost up he reprises his half time, match losing cough up against the ABs from the same game. Instead of running to his support he wanders away to the touchline, slips on his guava and gets turned. Game over.

 

As I have said many a time there are guys who win games and guys who lose games

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jun 2015, 21:53
#2
06 Jun 2015, 21:53#2
Juan was pretty awful. How he gets to captain the side ahead of Schalk Burger says it all.Will Juan survive a new coach coming on board? Senatla was also very quiet and the try scored by Leyds when the Lions had Hollenbach down disguised a poor afternoons work.
No wonder the Stormers have scored the second least tries.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jun 2015, 21:58
#3
06 Jun 2015, 21:58#3
Leyds was great, Kolbe was great....de Jongh was quiet, but saved the game. I have no doubt any competent new coach will see the value of these terrific players. I mean ffs, you are a Taute fan Hasbeen. You just have no clue about back play.  
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Jun 2015, 00:39
#4
07 Jun 2015, 00:39#4
Leyds is athletic and work in progress. By South African standards he did some great work, the kind of things we see from Oz and Kiwi backline players.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2015, 00:52
#5
07 Jun 2015, 00:52#5
This kid has been tarred and feathered every week on the site....and by and large he has been impressive.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Jun 2015, 02:48
#6
07 Jun 2015, 02:48#6

Yes I know, I don't get it, he's young, he's got a head on his shoulders, certainly not the quickest but he has a nice step and swerve to boot.


Why the knockers?  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jun 2015, 05:30
#7
07 Jun 2015, 05:30#7
 Juan was quiet - because Vorster played the fool with him.  Fact  is that is what I really expected in that game.  
The Stormers could not possibly win that game with Coleman at flyhalf.   Coetzee is a flipping idiot picking Coleman at flyhalf and he was repaid by Coleman missing two  kicks at goal - one a conversion of a try - which should have have been kicked - and the other a penalty straight in front of the goalposts.   He should have seen it coming after Coleman missed all those kicks in the Waratahs - and then a repeat in the Lions game.    
Mozart is the one-eyed idiot - what about the ball ripped out of De Jongh's hands when he was being tackled earlier in the game.  He talks about the second case and conveniently kept quiet about the first. 
Vorster completely over-shadowed De Jongh in the game - much as I feared would happen.  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2015, 13:32
#8
07 Jun 2015, 13:32#8
Okay Liarmike.....show me where "Vorster played the fool with him". Time stamp any incident in the game where Vorster got the better of de Jongh.......and while you are about it time stamp any incidents where Vorster made better contributions than de Jongh's match saving strip and de Jongh's excellent try scoring pass to Leyds. No diversions now, stick to de Jongh and Vorster. You brought it up and t he floor is yours....
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jun 2015, 14:54
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07 Jun 2015, 14:54#9
 Have  look at the stats - Snakesh!t - and tell me who was the better 13 on the day:-
de Jongh0/100/2/318100210/00/000/0

Vorster0/002/2/95335116/20/010/0
The one was a real participant in attack - the other one a passenger.  And both played at 13.  
 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2015, 15:33
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07 Jun 2015, 15:33#10
No diversions....time stamp where Vorster played the fool with de Jongh....go ahead big mouth. You will find those defenders beaten include Coleman in the last move and several forwards. And whats with his 25% of tackles missed? Go ahead you made the claim he played the fool with de Jongh, back it up.
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
07 Jun 2015, 16:10
#11
07 Jun 2015, 16:10#11
Looking at the stats, Damian was clearly suppressed. Certainly in terms of production, the least present of the two Stormers centres. But that had no influence on the game, of course.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jun 2015, 16:46
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07 Jun 2015, 16:46#12
 Vorster broke past his direct opponent 3 times - and the latter did nothing to try and stop him.  De Jongh was that piss-poor defender and that is a fact.  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2015, 17:11
#13
07 Jun 2015, 17:11#13
Gee I guess thats why de Jongh made 10 out of 10 tackles. You are a foul liar Mike a good example of why the country's standards are dropping. 
The fact that anybody on this Board takes you seriously is puzzling.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jun 2015, 17:35
#14
07 Jun 2015, 17:35#14
 Who did Vorster ran past without the useless De Jongh even attempting tackles?  Must have been someone else who played at 13 opposite Vorster.   Vorster ran over and past De Jongh twice and that was not recorded as tackle attempts.
I know for a fact nobody takes your mania about Matfield, Fransie and Morne seriously so what else is new.       
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2015, 19:40
#15
07 Jun 2015, 19:40#15
It was not recorded, because it's a lie Tokkie. Lies don't usually make it into the stats.  
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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
07 Jun 2015, 19:45
#16
07 Jun 2015, 19:45#16
 Agreed on Leyds, improves every game I see him play
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jun 2015, 05:34
#17
08 Jun 2015, 05:34#17
 So Mozart true to form use stats to prove something and ignores them when it does not  fit his book.  Deceitful as per normal with him.     
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jun 2015, 12:34
#18
08 Jun 2015, 12:34#18
de Jongh was the worst 13 of all the SA 13's on the weekend......did nothing of note as always......JJ, Frans Venter and Vorster were all better.......in particular Venter and Vorster  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2015, 12:54
#19
08 Jun 2015, 12:54#19
Nothing of note? He saved the game by ripping the ball away when the Lions were about to score and made a spectacular pass to get Leyds over the line.....he was worth 14 points. What did Vorster actually contribute?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jun 2015, 13:20
#20
08 Jun 2015, 13:20#20

de Jongh did nothing, the pass was a wobbly effort to Leyds big deal....as for ripping the ball, that is hardly the measure of a 13.....all I saw was him being dominated in contact, spilling the ball once when he went into contact.


Vorster made two great breaks, he was far, far better than average de Jongh.....it was not even close  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2015, 13:22
#21
08 Jun 2015, 13:22#21

It was a perfect pass and who cares if the rip was the job of a 13, it saved the match. Vorster missed a quarter of his tackles and frankly was invisible until that late break after the hooter when he beat the shell shocked Coleman.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jun 2015, 13:30
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08 Jun 2015, 13:30#22

Here is all the confirmation you need.....as I said, not even close


Useless de Jongh made all of 18m - worst of all the SA 13's on the weekend, made 1 clean break and beat ZERO defenders again the worst of all the SA 13's. de Jongh won the tackling stats with 10 made 0 missed, but was crap with ball in hand conceding 2 turnovers.


JJ gained 23m and beat 2 defenders. Tackles 7/2


Vorster, the real deal gained 53m, made 3 clean breaks and beat 5 defenders - hellooooooo. Tackles 6/2


Frans Venter gained 54m made 2 clean breaks, beat 3 defenders 12/1 tackles


de Jongh as the stats confirm was the worst of the SA 13's for he is just that. He is average......little guy making no impression in a big mans game at 13

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2015, 13:40
#23
08 Jun 2015, 13:40#23
But he was worth 14 points and had the best defensive stats..... while JJ and Vorster couldn't make their tackles.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jun 2015, 17:04
#24
08 Jun 2015, 17:04#24

He was not worth 14 points at all.....his stats were the worst by some distance with ball in hand as he is crap......JJ and Vorster missed all of 2 tackles big bloody deal.


NO coach would select average de Jongh over JJ, Vorster or Venter based on both their displays and the stats that back up the performances.


de Jongh was the worst of SA 13's on the weekend and that's a fact.


Get it into your head, de Jongh is out of his depth......you don't play 87kg players at 13.....no-one does but stupid Coetzee.


de Jongh is the weak link in that backline, especially considering the size of their back 3

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2015, 22:13
#25
08 Jun 2015, 22:13#25
Yes he was worth 14 points...literally, a try saved... a try scored down to Juan.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Jun 2015, 12:18
#26
09 Jun 2015, 12:18#26

Rubbish, he was the worst of the 13's on display and that's a fact.......he was not worth 14 points at all......throwing an easy pass does not constitute 7 points to him and nor does stealing a ball.


Judge him on his overall performance which was bog ordinary when compared to the other 13's who actually gained meaningful metres, beat defenders and made clean breaks......something you would expect from a 13, especially one playing for a side placed high up on the table and playing outside the best centre in the whole comp in de Allende.....de Jongh is out of his depth......an average player who would be far better if it was a small man's game

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jun 2015, 14:43
#27
09 Jun 2015, 14:43#27
Your bias is a new form of the affliction....it leads to blindness.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Jun 2015, 15:52
#28
09 Jun 2015, 15:52#28
Nope I just know for a fact de Jongh added very little value with ball in hand......the stats prove just that......your support of this little guy is as bad as your blind faith in useless Adi Jacobs......you really have no idea do you?  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jun 2015, 14:17
#29
10 Jun 2015, 14:17#29

Ah Adi Jacobs. Well here's the comparison you should focus on Sapp:

 

Jacobs 34 tests....7 tries

 

 

Your man Wynand.....38 tests......1 try.

 

Adi was a competent test centre. Not a Bok stand out.....but he defended the outside break well, and ran superbly off Jean's shoulder. He had the best centre stats in the 2008 TN and sco red some really good test tries.

 

 

Wynand? Well he had one try in 38 tests! But at least he holds one record .....the lowest all time strike rate for a Bok centre who has played at least 10 tests. And there is no risk his record will ever be broken....it's unfathomably bad.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Jun 2015, 16:10
#30
10 Jun 2015, 16:10#30

Adi Jacobs was utterly useless and an insult to the Bok jersey.......he was not close to test standard.


At least he got to play in his position at 13, unlike Olivier who played most of his tests as a sub, on the wing or at 13.......big difference


Olivier was twice the centre useless Jacobs was......there was a reason everyone called him revolving door  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jun 2015, 21:53
#31
10 Jun 2015, 21:53#31
So you say....but the facts are completel y the opposite. Olivier was a match loser as we saw in the third Lions test. 
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
11 Jun 2015, 01:08
#32
11 Jun 2015, 01:08#32
Adi was a spectacular failure, I did my first video review on him. But this becomes a moot point when you label JJ the best 13 since readmission! Or when you back the likes of Murry. 
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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
11 Jun 2015, 01:08
#33
11 Jun 2015, 01:08#33
Adi was a spectacular failure, I did my first video review on him. But this becomes a moot point when you label JJ the best 13 since readmission! Or when you back the likes of Murry. 
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