nz has always been the best side in w rugby

 
You're not helping, Beandip!!

Please ... let the adults talk!

 I know why clean cnut, you're an inferior rugby side, the fact you refuse to recognise the truth is more of a reflection on your level of delusion than anything to do with me, and while you're bitching about your mean ol politicians how about acknowledging the hand you lot played in creating them.

 To all the oaks who have sadly been taken in by wee ab results based on bent refs reads thsi and wise up. Lets not give credit where its not due!
After that the notorious Keith Lawrence, father of Bryce Lawrence and former head of NZRU referees, who has also been employed by the IRB, had his emails exposed and well-publicized saying 'let’s get the Japies'. It is therefore not beyond imagination to believe that New Zealand and Australian administrators had already banded together at that point, for payback, and maybe this attitude has been brought forward into the modern era of professional rugby?

If this is the case, it’s also not hard to believe that New Zealand and Australia are smart enough to professionalise their modus operandi, now that we are in the professional era. As far as I can tell they have infiltrated the system in such a way that between SANZAR and the IRB, New Zealand and Australia together control, almost every crucial decision making position in rugby. It seems to me that everything in rugby favours New Zealand first and then Australia, from the draw, to the travel schedules, to the byes, to the choice of referees, linesmen, assistants, TMO’s, citing commissions etc. Don’t let me get started about Richie McCaw (please note Cloudy!!) and how much he gets away with, right in front of the nose of the referee!

Just the memory of the following names (to name but a few) raises the hairs on my neck. Keith Lawrence (New Zealand), Paddy O’Brien (New Zealand), Peter Marshall (Australia), Stuart Dickenson (Australia), Paul Honiss (New Zealand), Bryce Lawrence (New Zealand), and citing specialists Terry Willis (Australia), Michael Cashman (Australia), Bruce Squire (New Zealand)

Why for example did Terry Willis (from Australia) adjudicate Bismarck's red card? Should it not have been a neutral official given the context of The Rugby Championships? Why did the citing commission not cite Nonu whose tackle on Jean De Villiers made Bismark’s Messam incident look like a friendly cuddle?

It would appear that even most of the new laws of the game are introduced by, and designed to suit New Zealand and Australia. (Having said that, the latest scrum rule isn’t working for them, so I predict that this law will be scrapped, particularly given that Kiwis were decimated by the Boks in the first scrum on Saturday!)

The very fact that the IRB and SANZAR dictates that no player or coach can speak openly about the referee, in my opinion, is designed to help control the psyche of the fans! Well the tide is turning, social media and social networking has arrived and the masses are rising in protest. We want fair play! Bryce Lawrence is gone and over 61000 enraged fans are gunning for Poite. But the reality is that Poite is not the source of the problem. I blame our history and subsequently the IRB and SANZAR's leadership and their influence over the officials. (MAGNIFICENT STUFF - LET THE RUGBY LOVERS OF THE WOLRD RISE UP IN ANGRY  PROTEST AGAINST THESE SERIAL CHEATS)

Jake White, I believe, was a master at handling the IRB referees during the World Cup in France. From what I can gauge, he anticipated and outsmarted the New Zealander Paddy O'Brien (then IRB head of referees) by pre-empting that South Africa would be targeted (as usual) and used the media to his advantage. So when Schalk Burger was unfairly targeted early on, the media picked up on White's predictions and it looked to me like O'Brien's team were forced to back down before knock out stages. I believe that without this tactical stroke of genius by Jake White, South Africa would never have won the world cup in France.

Fast forward to the world cup hosted by New Zealand where New Zealander Bryce Lawrence (again part of Paddy O'Brien's crew and son of notorious Keith Lawrence) ignored (in my opinion) over 60 penalisable offences and allowed Australia to win a game with countless transgression and less than 30% possession. Problem? We were just not smart enough during this world cup to see it coming. We played the best rugby I have ever seen us play and still lost and I blame our administrators for allowing it. (AGREE AND YET WE HAVE GUYS LIKE OU MAAAIKIE AND CERUDUNCE WINDPOMP COMPLETEY TAKEN IN BY ALL THSI AND HAPPY TO BLAME THE BOKS FOR THE LOSS. WE HAVE SNAPSTER IGNORANTLUY BLAMING MEYER FOR THE DROP TO 4 IN THE RANKINGS BUT ACCEPTING ALL THE CALLS AGAINST US BY CHEATING/BIASED REFS. WHAT A TOTAL DISGRACE!)

It seems that somewhere along the way, South Africans rediscovered some degree of collective moral compas (HOOR HOOR HOOR!!!!)s. Our constitution is ranked as one of the most progressive in the world and the majority of South Africans loathe corruption in any form, especially in sport. Sport in this country influences our collective mood. We want to win, but we want to win fair and square. We don’t condone our referees being biased, especially not in our favour. Maybe it was because of our notorious history that people are so eager to prove themselves on a level playing field. So it doesn’t really matter what nationality the ref is, as long as he is fair and consistent.

Personally I think it’s time that the IRB, SANZAR and rugby, collectively makes a truce that promotes, encourages and rewards fair play.

aGREE BUT FIRST BAN ALL KIWIS AND O ZZIES FROM OFFICIATING  IN ANY CAPACITY, INCLUDING SELECTIONs OF REFS ETC.
Man was that a good article.

And here comes the lunatic fringe...
Beeno the sooner the accept that the Boks are the All Blacks prison playthings the sooner you'll find peace.

 Then how about this one. Kbbs denialists need tosee how they are percieved in the world:Naysayers are quick to forget than in 1997 an email was intercepted from Keith Lawrence (father of Bryce, and at that time head of NZ referees) urging Australian referees to 'give the Jarpies hell' in the 1997 Super 12 tournament. Ultimately one South African side reached the semifinals of that tournament, and lost the match. Not only did this incident demonstrate that collusion between referees to produce desired results take place, but it also calls into question the integrity of SANZAR referees in general.

Of course, the question I now have to answer is what motivation would New Zealand rugby officials have had to rig the outcome of the tournament?

The answer is fairly simple: money. During the tournament it was revealed that New Zealand were considering pulling out of the 2015 World Cup in protest of the 'minimal' revenues that their Union receives from the IRB. Given this incident, and that the World Cup was widely expected to generate a net loss, it's not a reach to suggest that New Zealand rugby is under financial pressure. 

Not only is the economic climate not favourable to spending on tickets for sports events (as was evident by the half-empty stadiums witnessed in New Zealand for the duration of the Super 15), but the All Blacks brand is the most valuable in rugby, and would have taken a substantial knock had the men wearing it lost a World Cup in their home country.

Losing the final may have cost senior officials and team managers their jobs. There would quite possibly also have been problems with the team's sponsors, and an All Black defeat would probably have had knock-on effects on the country's rugby economy (merchandise and tickets in particular).

Then there were issues of pride and the pure desire to win, that would not have facilitated match fixing on their own but might certainly have added some fuel to the fire.

Finally, while New Zealand have the talent to win the tournament without any assistance, the tournament-ending injury to key player, Daniel Carter, may also have created an environment where other options for guaranteeing victory were explored. The impact of the loss of the New Zealand playmaker, widely regarded as the finest player on the planet, cannot be overemphasised.

I realise that this is unpleasant for fans of the game to read or consider, but if you watched the tournament with blinkers off you must have felt sickened by the outcome of many of the matches. If our sport is not about the stronger and more dominant team winning the match, then I see little point in watching it. Personally I enjoy watching sport to witness the triumph of excellence, not of mediocrity.

 poi-e,  the world emphatically rejected the previous regime to the extent of boycotting us,  and rightfully so.  I'm not saying the situation is exactly the same it is not,  not by a long shot,  but there are enough similarities to warrant some objection from the rest of the world. The fact that it's not as fcked up as in the past,  does not make it right now,  does it? Most Saffas bitch and moan about reffs just about as much as you lot,  and everybody else for that matter.  The difference is,  you lot lose less than the rest.  Come now,  get rid of that chip on your shouder,  it's weighing you down. 

 Hahaha, that's a dead funny read right there that's what that is....
Beeno and his p* ssy

 

 Surely you're not suggesting the race based quotas are even in the same ball park as your apartheid regime, are whites prevented from playing rugby?....T ell you what how about you get off your arse and protest these quotas in the streets, and if your government controlled military start firing live rounds at you maybe the world might take notice, until then I'm so sorry the people you oppressed all those years are compromising your enjoyment of the game by trying to grow universal support for the Boks in a fashion you don't agree with...diddums, somebody get the UN on the line....

Pfft please Cloudy, you're dead right here, add to that the inconvenient truth that there's been more NZ born players play for the Island teams than the other way round...I'll tell you something for nothing, New Zealand has done more to grow the game in the Pacific than the Boks have in Southern Africa.

 Yep Cloudy, playing the Pacific Islands card is just another desperate attempt to justify SA's lowly position in World rugby."You have never won a RWC outside NZ" is another pathetic stat they haven't brought up which is surprising,  but give it time.....

 poi-e,  I sugest you take your emotion out of the argument and read what I said. I have no problem with quotas in lower tiers but as soon as you start applying it rigidly on SR and Tests,  you give up a little bit of competitive advantage. If you are competing against the best,  you need every morsel of advantage you can get. Wrong will always be wrong.  Just because it is to a lesser extent,  does not make it right. 
PS,  we don't have to protest in the streets to get shot,  we get killed off in our homes!  People has been leaving the country in droves for years. Because they are skilled and very much needed in other countries does not make them anything other than refugees. I don't expect you to understand and I definitely don't expect you to agree with everything I've said here,  but you have no right to lecture me on what happened in the past.  I have never oppressed anyone in my life and I  have absolutely no guilt about anything me,  my father or grandfather did.  Yes,  I  am white and I wasn't oppressed,  but I got no free rides from the previous regime and neither did my dad or his dad.  It seems that you have a warped idea of what went down in SA. 

You forget how many of your expats have relocated to NZ, Britain, Ive met more of your countrymen that you have of mine, I work directly with three of them every day, and have lived with two of them.  And I didn't draw any comparisons between apartheid and quotas...you did remember 
but there are enough similarities to warrant some objection from the rest of the world

And if you truly believe that you have your head further up your ass then I thought.  With all due respect, when you make a statement like that I think you are in need of a lecture buddy, take a good look at yourself.

 Netso!  Cloudy.  
poi-e,  I gather you are on record now as saying there is nothing wrong with tace based political sellections.  I  am on record saying wrong stays wrong,  even though today's wrongs are less evil than the wrongs of the past. 

 Now you change the subject again. As a side,  the guy might be a Saffa,  but hr is still writing for a NZ paper.  Preaching to the choir it seems. Get your own head out of your arse first,  and I promise to try and return the favor. 

DbDraad forget to change your tampon last night.  

 OK,  now we decide to revert to insuts?  You seem not to be capable of reason when emotionally involved in an argument. If it fits with the agenda and public opinion,  it's OK to ignore reason and go for insults,  you are on the right side,  so no one would blame you? That's  OK the go for it.  Denial isn't that bad. 

DdDraab before I reply you do realize polyboy (me) and Poi-e are 2 different posters?

 Yes,  I  do,  and I apologise for confusing the two of you.  I got carried away. BTW,  Nice bit about the lads having a drink.  I seemed to have missed that.  Posting on my phone.  Apologies  again,  it seems you are not the one with his head up his arse.  ... I hope? 

 I apologise for my "tampon" remark, but wasn't til I read your second post did I realize you were referring to a string of post so when back read realized it was Poi-E you may have been responding to. Like I said I just try to enjoy a game win or lose...the Boks and AB's are the 2 most dominant teams throughout rugby history you could say the world game wouldn't be what it is without them and their rivalry. My Dad use to tell me and my brothers stories of how the country would practically shut down when the Boks toured...and I was around at the 1981 tour...spoilt by the protests but the anticipation and trepidation when the Boks played the AB...just like my Dad described.

 No  harm done,  I'm  not pissed at poi-e either nor am I'm too phased about the politics,  but that does not mean we can just ignore it's impact,  or relelegate the imoact to the "it doesn't matter" box. Keep well and enjoy the rugga. 

Rugby attributes are not about 25-50 years ago, its about now not even 23 years ago.... the facts are that they are best now by a convincing margin...just be honest and have the integrity to admit to the truth... the facts are there...lets be honest...only blind fools believe otherwise...

Rugby attributes are not about 25-50 years ago, its about now not even 23 years ago.... the facts are that they are best now by a convincing margin...just be honest and have the integrity to admit to the truth... the facts are there...lets be honest...only blind fools believe otherwise...

 Seb,  I  did... and watching Aniken Skywalker turn inti Darth Vader ATM does not fill me with too much optimism. 

 "It's amusing how much you all know about our little country yet none of you have ever been here." Not entirely true Miss Cloudy, I've been to NZ...twice.

 
Sebastien ... it seems you've done a 180 ... again.

The title of this thread is that NZ has ALWAYS been the best blah blah blah ...

For crying out loud ... make up your mind and try to stick with it ... ok??

Oh, and the less you speak of integrity the better.

Dumbass!!!!
 

 
Draad ... polyboy has a tampon fetish!

His limited imagination had him use some snide tampon remark on me too awhile back.

He pretends to be a New Zealander but like his inbred brother poi-essy probably fled poverty from some remote village on a South Pacific Island somewhere.

He's just another import happy to be rid of his loin cloth while marveling at the changing of a traffic light.



  

 

Overall

Details[1] Played Won by
 New Zealand Won by
 South Africa Drawn New Zealand points South Africa points In New Zealand 41 30 9 2 820 531 In South Africa 47 21 25 1 878 850 Neutral venue 2 1 1 0 47 31 Overall 90 52 35 3 1745 1412

Also during apartheid years Maori players were sometim es discriminated against in SA ..the only Springbok side to make a clean sweep in NZ was Philip Nels side before the WW2, in 1937

Case closed...the evidence is unaminous

 Not bad Rooinek....I mean Clean Cut