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Ole Cruz/Tomas

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Feb 2014, 16:18
#41
04 Feb 2014, 16:18#41

The worst elements on this Board are those who thrive in personal attacks on  members and bring nothing of rugby value to the Board.    I understand that sbs,com closed down because of exactly that - so now you come and spread poison here.


Until you contribute something constructive on this Board my advice to you is piss off - you ignorant and useless bastard.     

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Feb 2014, 16:19
#42
04 Feb 2014, 16:19#42

poi -e


The worst elements on this Board are those who thrive in personal attacks on  members and bring nothing of rugby value to the Board.    I understand that sbs,com closed down because of exactly that - so now you come and spread poison here.


Until you contribute something constructive on this Board my advice to you is piss off - you ignorant and useless bastard.     

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
04 Feb 2014, 16:37
#43
04 Feb 2014, 16:37#43
I'd say you've been making more than a few of your own personal attacks as of late DomMike so maybe you should practice what you preach, then again I can understand you're upset at having you're man love bubble burst with Ole Cruz and you're just lashing out at the person who exposed him. 
BTW I'd say the worst elements of the board are posters who are so stupid they can't make a single post without duplicating it ad nauseum


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Feb 2014, 18:20
#44
04 Feb 2014, 18:20#44
 Again a posting from an idiot - no rugby discussion - just personal once more - piss off idiot.
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
04 Feb 2014, 18:20
#45
04 Feb 2014, 18:20#45
Ole Cruz,
I tend to believe you are who you say you are. poi-e has his reasons for being suspicious but in the end it doesn't really matter, does it? Your posts have always been full of insight and thought and your manner polite and respectful. I think in particular of the missive's you wrote prior to the 2013 RC regarding the various defensive and offensive structures. Those were among the best I have ever seen here, obviously took a lot of thought and energy and were incredibly worthwhile.
If this forum is really about an exchange of opinions and ideas then your contribution is always welcome as someone's opinion should always be given consideration and critical thought regardless of whether that opinion is from a player of international quality or just the average Joe who loves rugby.
I hope you continue to post.
PE
poi-ePro1,044 posts
04 Feb 2014, 18:49
#46
04 Feb 2014, 18:49#46
 Oh shame Mike, but you're the imbicile believing in a ficticious internet persona you dribbling halfwit.
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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
04 Feb 2014, 18:52
#47
04 Feb 2014, 18:52#47
 LOL! Ok then cruz. Right, I believe you now. That makes so much sense. 

 Anyways I sent my home number/skype/facetime/ and viber addresses with a friend request to your FB account.  After our chat Ill report your bona fides to the forum. We can have this whole nasty business tidied up before breakfast. 

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
04 Feb 2014, 19:10
#48
04 Feb 2014, 19:10#48
Haha Nuke, The sarugby board, where it's easier to flounce rather than confirm you're actually an international Argentinian professional rugby player with a better grasp of English then DomMike who just happens to stop in and discuss footy on one of the more obscure rugby forums on the net...
I've sent 5 messages to Tomaz's FB account,  not one single reply...only a infatuated moron like DomMike would not find that a little strange
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Feb 2014, 20:21
#49
04 Feb 2014, 20:21#49
I agree with Matey he is an insightful poster. But I must say I think poi-e has a good argument. We live in a strange new world.
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
04 Feb 2014, 20:32
#50
04 Feb 2014, 20:32#50
 So poi-e, who are the other multi's you suspect?
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
04 Feb 2014, 20:50
#51
04 Feb 2014, 20:50#51
" Say it ain't so, Joe! Say it ain't so! " ......................
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canrugbyClub Pro640 posts
04 Feb 2014, 21:15
#52
04 Feb 2014, 21:15#52
I've had my suspicions. Who doesn't? Even people who believe you still have enough brain power to realize that you actually might not be who you say you are. It's the friggin internet. I mean You gotta admit, Ole Cruz, that Poi-e has a point. Unless you can undoubtedly prove you are Tomas, then how can we really believe you? And you know what, who cares if you aren't or if you are? I play rugby for my cities 2nd division team. I really don't care if anyone believes me or not. I'm still going to post my comments on here.
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
04 Feb 2014, 23:12
#53
04 Feb 2014, 23:12#53

 Poi-e, I've just got off the blower with a mate of mine here in Hamilton who also happens to be a Liaison person with the Chiefs.

He confirmed our suspicions that Tomas the Tank Engine could hardly speak any English (pigeon at best!) so there is no way that he and Ole Cruz are the same person.

Anyone who writes as well as Ole would be a fluent speaker as well.

Sorry to burst your bubbles  Mikey et al!!

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Feb 2014, 00:02
#54
05 Feb 2014, 00:02#54
Oh dear.  
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
05 Feb 2014, 01:15
#55
05 Feb 2014, 01:15#55
 Cheers Moolaa, can't say I'm surprised. 
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
05 Feb 2014, 01:44
#56
05 Feb 2014, 01:44#56
 Someone take the credit for this ! :)
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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
05 Feb 2014, 01:46
#57
05 Feb 2014, 01:46#57
It was me all along ha ha
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Feb 2014, 01:51
#58
05 Feb 2014, 01:51#58

 OK - Lets summarise this one


Ole Cruz claimed he was Tomas and he may have taken all of us foir a ride in that regard.  However - whenever he made a rugby contribution on this site ut was more insightful than what we generally see on this site.  


There is one thing though and it has everything to do with what we try and do on the site and that is to -


*  discus rugby-related issues; and

*   not use the site for personal attacks on members.


We all go overboard from time to time on the latter issue - but most members talk riugby and not personal issues here.   There are however members who use the site purely for personal attacks on other members and here poi-e and ceradyne are typical examples of the filth we have as some members.   We all try and poke fun at each other site members - they represents the scum that spread poison without any rugby contribution ever.  


That is the type of thing that destroyed the NZ forum and most NZ members have mentioned it before on this site from time to time.  We discus the moles that come and do the same thing here = yet we have our own sheisters here as well.


A few years ago one member had the audacity to spread all the personal information on Mozart all over a site and it caused major problems - so lets keep those off the Board and discuss rugby issues.


One last thing - whatever can be said about Ole Cruz - he knows more about rugby than almost all members we have here and it showed in his contributions.   That is why I would have liked to see more of those here - and less of the crap ished up by some sheisters we have as members.          

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
05 Feb 2014, 02:34
#59
05 Feb 2014, 02:34#59
i think the arguments put up by poie has plenty of merit, and moolas post was also an eye opener.

 but like ole cruz said, he dosent have to vindicate nothing, i would have behaved in the exact same manner but with more expletives.

but after all has been said and done, i found olecruz to be one of the nicest bloggers who dosent attack anyone, and also has outstanding rugby contributions.

i hope we get to hear more from olecruz in the future,
PE
poi-ePro1,044 posts
05 Feb 2014, 02:35
#60
05 Feb 2014, 02:35#60
 You're an idiot Mike.
And Sas just becaus you're nice on a forum doesn't give you the right to steal someone's identity and post as someone you're not, I'd say he definitely has to vindicate something, pretty sure the real Tomas would agree, or would you be sweet if someone took your identity and posted a load of bullshit about you as long as they were nice.
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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
05 Feb 2014, 03:05
#61
05 Feb 2014, 03:05#61
 Im with poi-e on this one. Noone is denying that cruz was a productive contributor but the respect he gained on the forum was exponentially enhanced due to his claim that he was a Argentinian Test player. The real tragedy is that it was completely unnecessary. He was already a valued forum member and he never had to pad his credentials with a fictitious resume to gain my appreciation.
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
05 Feb 2014, 04:15
#62
05 Feb 2014, 04:15#62
 Head...nail...hit nuke
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Feb 2014, 06:10
#63
05 Feb 2014, 06:10#63

 poi-e


I may be an idiot - but until I see some real rugby contribution from you,  I will always say one thing - you are a scumbag and somebody not needed on this site.  

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
05 Feb 2014, 06:24
#64
05 Feb 2014, 06:24#64
 They day I discuss rugby with you mike something would've gone horribly wrong, I'd get more rugby sense from a brick, but the brick wouldn't duplicate as many posts as you do.
BTW the last time I discussed rugby with you was to debunk your argument that the Blues were somehow favoured to win the 2013 S15 before the season started, that was embarrassing for you.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
05 Feb 2014, 06:55
#65
05 Feb 2014, 06:55#65
 Poi-e, u ased to be Papakapride at SS? I think you mentioned it a while back. Who are the multi identities according to you? I for one think that Alucard/Aristocrat/Sun Tzu is one and the same. Mary-Anne, Truth and Devils Advocate might be the same bloke as well. I also think I heard Brycie mention that he might be Sitting Bull.Rooinek joined as Jalapeno and Brother Beeno had a stint as Storming Ed, so logic would suggest that they might be posing as others as well? CleanCut also joined under a different nic, so it seems that its the going trend on here for multiple ID's.What's your other ID,... Polly Boy? 




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poi-ePro1,044 posts
05 Feb 2014, 07:23
#66
05 Feb 2014, 07:23#66
 Put it this way, it's probably easier to list the authentic posters Draad...
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
05 Feb 2014, 07:45
#67
05 Feb 2014, 07:45#67
While there are one or two valid points raised - particularly regarding Tomas' excellent English and his apparent unwillingness to confirm anything on Facebook - I certainly don't think some bloke phoning a mate in Hamilton who allegedly knows someone who might know Tomas constitutes conclusive proof that OleCruz is not Tomas Lavanini.

As I said earlier on this thread, if it is someone just pretending to be him then he's gone to an almost unbelievable amount of effort and research.

If it is some impostor then he can't have much of a life . . . but he was a top class rugby poster.

If it's the real Tomas then I find it a bit sad that he's been hounded off the board just because his English is excellent and he doesn't want to accept a friend invite on Facebook.
PE
poi-ePro1,044 posts
05 Feb 2014, 08:17
#68
05 Feb 2014, 08:17#68
Nobody asked him to leave, I don't disagree he was a nice guy who knew a bit about rugby, he just wasn't who he said he was, when asked to easily confirm that he was who he said he was, rather than put the argument to bed he decided to flounce, more than a tad on the suspicious side...
I do agree though that the person who knocked up the profile went to a lot of work/research *slow clap*
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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
05 Feb 2014, 08:18
#69
05 Feb 2014, 08:18#69
He doesnt even have to accept a friend request to put this matter to bed and Im happy to concede that his command of English isnt conclusive.  If he just copies and pastes the contents of the message that accompanied the FB request, we'll know he at least has access to Tomas' FB account. Why is that such an onerous request given his preparedness to share the minutiae of his obscure career details on numerous other threads? 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Feb 2014, 08:21
#70
05 Feb 2014, 08:21#70

Rooinek


We are unfortunately stuck here with some scumbags as members.   If one tries to discuss rugby issues - they come up with attacks on fellow-members,  There is a slight difference between for instance Sun Tzu and some others.  Sun Tzu deals with his garbled view of players and rugby issues - but he at least discuss rugby issues.


Most of the rest are purely here to cause trouble with members and NEVER raise any rugby-related issues.   poi-e and ceradyne are two of the worst in that category.   When you point it out - they said they would not discuss rugby matters with you - but then they discuss it with nobody on this site - so we must view it as a campaign against all members.   One thing is for sure - they know nothing of rugby and everything about poisonous drivel.      


Best thing is to ignore them and their false identities and accept that the only contributions they are able to make  are fit for flushing down a toilet.  .        


 

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
05 Feb 2014, 08:28
#71
05 Feb 2014, 08:28#71
Best thing is to ignore them and their false identities
After this thread if you don't see the irony in your statement then you must be the dumbest plonker god ever blew breath into...
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
05 Feb 2014, 08:33
#72
05 Feb 2014, 08:33#72
Ou Maaik, I've never had any issues with poi-e and if I recall he's made plenty of rugby postings.

Sun-Tzwat on the other hand might talk about rugby every once in a while, but unfortunately what Sun-Tzwat knows about rugby can be written on the back of a 5 cent postage stamp in block capitals using a very thick felt pen . . . so what's the point?

CeraDunce is just so obsessed with you that he no longer talks about rugby or anything else. Just keep kicking his sorry arse around the board . . . it's very funny to watch!
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
05 Feb 2014, 09:58
#73
05 Feb 2014, 09:58#73
 Mike, with respect, you do tend to make a couple of blunders now and again, and Caradyne took it upon himself to hound you a bit(Like you do Mozart from time to time and vice versa). He knows a bit of rugby and was a member here way back, before it got to be a graveyard and was resurrected again. He's not here only to cause trouble. Poi-e has been here for quite some time and generally don't cause trouble. He is entitled to his opinion just like everyone else. He called you stupid for being a bit gullible regarding Cruz, big deal, you called Caradyne a doos, so what?
As for Sun-Tzu, he actually research his stuff quite well, but has a few blind spots when it comes to certain players. When combined with his superiority complex , and the context that this is only a cyber chat room, its actually hilarious and insightful at the same time.
Who are the trouble makers anyway, and how much harm comes from their participation? I think not any. It's all part of the fun. It would be interesting to know what their alternate persona's are/were, but that's where it ends.In the mean time, happy mole hunting everyone!
PS, regarding moderation on here, yes there have been and its been anonymous and even handed, the same goes for bannings. But there are clearly moderation, but I tend to think it's not an issue here.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Feb 2014, 12:16
#74
05 Feb 2014, 12:16#74

Ddraad


I do not have an issue about being corrected about issues where I have made mistakes - it is the way in which people handle corrections that us the issue.  Some corrections are abusive and nasty and is really is unacceptable.


To carry on to the point where you  drive a member away - like poi-e was successful in doing in this case - is just not acceptable.   That is where I draw the limit.   He made the point that ole cruz is not Tomas and then went on a hounding exercise - even on his facebook - asking him to be a friend.  That was off this site and had nothing to do with it - why should he have responded positively in any event? . When he did not respond on request we got another salvo  on this site.  


I believe he was unethical - he can make the claim and ole cruz he can deny it - but to try and hound tomas by other means is just not acceptable.   I have met Saffex in London and spoke on the phone with Mozart and some members send each other e-mails - that's fine - but to go and thrust one-self onto a fellow-member without mutual consent and try and discredit a member - that is not fine.


I think that the problem I have with the two members here is clear.   I can remember that Ceradyne was a member previously - Beeno calls him windpomp - and I had some serious differences with him then.   Now his comments are only reactions to what I wrote on the site - I have yet to see a thread started by him -and the only comments he virtually ever made is about what I wrote.   Same with poi-e - he is completely silent on the site and then re-appeared virtually only when I made a comment and then try and make a liar out of me.


That kind of action is bound to get me mad at them.   We do not need members like that on this site.     I regard both as absolute poison and as far as I am concerned they should F- off.   There is one thing certain - I am not going to respond in future to their shit postings when I have written something ort started a thread on something.      

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
05 Feb 2014, 12:40
#75
05 Feb 2014, 12:40#75
 "I think that the problem I have with the two members here is clear.   I can remember that Ceradyne was a member previously - Beeno calls him windpomp - and I had some serious differences with him then. "

Yet another lie. I never had differences with you when I was "a member previously". I only "met" you on here for the first time long after Beeno, Moz, Denny and Alucard joined this forum. I don't think that it is up to you to decide what the contents of  my posts should be. I read and comment on many posts but what pisses me off is when somebody bullshits and exaggerate a situation to suit his/her own little agenda. You are doing that on a regular bases and your are caught out and exposed on a regular bases. I have learnt to take nothing that you say for granted and it has become so easy to check up on what you are saying because you are the only one whose "facts" needs constant verification. It is actually very simple. Stop the bullshit and there would be nothing to expose. Simples.


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
05 Feb 2014, 12:40
#76
05 Feb 2014, 12:40#76
 Duplication
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
05 Feb 2014, 12:40
#77
05 Feb 2014, 12:40#77
Duplication
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Feb 2014, 12:43
#78
05 Feb 2014, 12:43#78

 Windpomp


F-off - to put it nicely,  

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
05 Feb 2014, 12:52
#79
05 Feb 2014, 12:52#79
 Mike, fair enough, but in Thomas's case, if you claim to be a test player, you need to be able to back it up and proof it somehow. It wasn't such an unreasonable request to just copy and paste a friends request from FB here. Well, he might get hundreds of friend requests? To send the request 6 times though is going a bit overboard. Is the FB persona the real TL? I know people whom are friends with Madonna, Charlize Theron and Bruce Willis on FB. I'm quite sure that those FB persona's are fake though. Who is to say the one poi-e tried is the real one? Who cares anyway.I'm sure Cruz will be back if he is the real deal.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
05 Feb 2014, 12:59
#80
05 Feb 2014, 12:59#80
 Vlag, it's only a lie, if the intention to tell a lie is there. Stating a fact wrong bona fide is not lying.
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