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Ole Cruz/Tomas

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moolaaPro2,380 posts
07 Feb 2014, 19:54
#121
07 Feb 2014, 19:54#121
 Rooinek, stop exaggerating.....one too many mates in there mate!Ed can write what he wants to attempt to justify this crap but I for one will never believe the young Tomas is Ole Cruz until he fronts on FB as Poi-e has reasonably requested.The rest of you gullible twats are just pissed off that you've been sucking up to a fraud!!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Feb 2014, 20:21
#122
07 Feb 2014, 20:21#122

 Mozart


Are you not the prick that went ballistic when your private info was all over the site at one stage?   Now you go on about the issue as if membership privacy is not important.


That was not your attitude when your personal information was published in a forum - now was it?   


You still distort things - but then it is habitual with you.   I said "he MAY" which is totally different from "he has".  


Because your own role on this thread was  like Rooinek said  "the speed with which Moffie quickly jumped on the bandwagon after that Moolaa twat put up his incredibly flimsy "evidence" (phoning a mate who knew a mate who allegedly knew Tomas) puts him squarely in the skunk category as well."


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poi-ePro1,044 posts
07 Feb 2014, 20:29
#123
07 Feb 2014, 20:29#123
 Who posted any private info you idiot?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Feb 2014, 20:39
#124
07 Feb 2014, 20:39#124

Moola


You are entitled to believe what you want to believe - but you are an idiot if you support what the poison bitch did in this case.   The thing is too stupid to realize that what she has done is unethical and your statement is also hearsay at best.


You cannot demand from anybody to be included on a list of Friends at FB of anybody - especially not of a person whose comments on this Board was always as near as possible to distasteful.   For heavens sake - and do it six times - that is totally unethical.    To use that as evidence is about as flimsy as anybody can get. 


You do not realise that the poison bitch has an idea of superiority and importance and her demands must be adhered to - that really is amazing.     Let me add - the ed is not happy what happened here and it is clear that he has the right information on the issue - that is why he was trying to calm things down and get it into perspective. .       


Lets rather learn from this episode  and deal with rugby issues and not personal issues on this site. 


  

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
07 Feb 2014, 21:02
#125
07 Feb 2014, 21:02#125
Dear oh dear there's dumb, then there's CleverMike...let me get this straight, hypothetically if Victor Matfield posted on this board forum members would be forbidden from liking/messaging him on Facebook just because he was also a member of this forum and you would consider that an 'unethical' off line approach?
Sadly for you Mike the person I contacted on Facebook probably doesn't know you exist, and I think that's what really bugs you, you thought you'd befriended your first international rugby player and were ready to drop his name along with Jacob Zuma in evey conversation about who your famous buddies are.
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
07 Feb 2014, 21:44
#126
07 Feb 2014, 21:44#126
 Ethics doesn't come into it Mike....All he's being asked is to prove his identity and so far whoever Ole Cruz is, he's come up miserably short. It becomes personal if someone's trying to "pull the wool"!
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
07 Feb 2014, 21:51
#127
07 Feb 2014, 21:51#127
 Ja, & it does get personal if you've offered him your eldest daughter's hand in marriage.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Feb 2014, 22:17
#128
07 Feb 2014, 22:17#128

Clever if you think quoting the lickspittle Rooinek impresses me, think again. The fact is you gave up on old Ole, and now you are coming across as indignant with everybody else who had their doubts. Hypocrisy of the highest order from an imbecilic  stupid old coot.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
08 Feb 2014, 00:21
#129
08 Feb 2014, 00:21#129
While people have put ideas on the validity of Ole Cruz identity, the area that I have initially thought Ole Cruz to be genuine.
1. His rugby knowledge and passion for the game. It seems far more than anyone on here. It is his current knowledge of players, not really historical stuff
2. Why would someone with his knowledge impersonate a famous rugby player- and if he was going to impersonate a famous rugby player- would he not choose to do so with either an SA or New Zealand player given most posters here are from these countries? NZ and SA are also ranked number 1 and number 2 in the world.
3. His style of writing is also better than the other poster here (except for me ofcourse!)- so who else could it possibly be?
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
08 Feb 2014, 00:47
#130
08 Feb 2014, 00:47#130
 1. Maybe, certainly not a certificate of authenticity, for example the owner of the sarugby.com domain (and I guess site) is the former western force and brumbies defensive coach, I'm not claiming he's Ole Cruz, merely highlighting that there is that kind of knowledge in and around the board.
2. Picking an more obscure international rugby player would make it harder to validate authenticity.
3. That's perhaps the biggest giveaway, in Ole Cruz's earlier posts it almost seemed like there were a few grammatical/spelling errors deliberately sewn into the posts, however his recent posts were flawless English, something I find astounding for someone who has English as his second language.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Feb 2014, 01:07
#131
08 Feb 2014, 01:07#131

moolaa


It is personal when a person start to pester a member with whatever intention away from this site.   And the poison bitch did just that.   When the member offered to phone her if she provided her phone number and clarify the issue thus - she refused that and kept on screaming about his refusal to allow her onto his FB.


That is the crux of the issue.   You do not act like a reasonable person if you want to stamp your feet and scream at somebody the way she did and that on a public forum. 


I have very little doubt that Ole Cruz knew exactly what was happening and that it was childish and irresponsible to carry on like that.   In any event it is sickening that an episode like this should happen.  


Just one question - is that not the type of thing that happened on the BA forum - which caused the forum to be shut down?   

        

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Feb 2014, 01:07
#132
08 Feb 2014, 01:07#132

moolaa


It is personal when a person start to pester a member with whatever intention away from this site.   And the poison bitch did just that.   When the member offered to phone her if she provided her phone number and clarify the issue thus - she refused that and kept on screaming about his refusal to allow her onto his FB.


That is the crux of the issue.   You do not act like a reasonable person if you want to stamp your feet and scream at somebody the way she did and that on a public forum. 


I have very little doubt that Ole Cruz knew exactly what was happening and that it was childish and irresponsible to carry on like that.   In any event it is sickening that an episode like this should happen.  


Just one question - is that not the type of thing that happened on the BA forum - which caused the forum to be shut down?   

        

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
08 Feb 2014, 01:22
#133
08 Feb 2014, 01:22#133
 You're delusional GullibleMike, I pity you...
PS have the good manners to delete the text from yet another one of your duplicate posts.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Feb 2014, 02:00
#134
08 Feb 2014, 02:00#134

Mozart


You know what?   I am aware of the fact that the animosity between you and Rooinek stemmed from the episode I referred to and I want to get you to think about that issue from a personal perspective.  The quote I made from Rooinek had that intention as well.


Do you ever think before you write.   You are the one that started making nasty remarks and agreeing with the filth produced on this site.   I wrote that even if there are doubt - the despicable way some members acted in - you included - was not justified.


If I remember correctly I sympathised with you when your personal info was splashed over this site - but now it appears that you are as vicious as he was when the latest episode  happened.  


You referred  to me as "Hypocrisy of the highest order from an imbecilic stupid old coot."   That sounds great from an old coot nearly a decade older than me and who tries to run this board with a dictatorial superiority complex.   The moment anybody differ from you on any issue you become vicious and - at times I responded in kind -that is where we have had a number of squabbles in the past.


I agree with a  member now when he said you are slimy and you distort things beyond recognition.   I was making fun of it when the  member referred to you as such - and soften the impact - but have to agree with him after all.       


I every time tried to smooth things over but it is clear - with you it just is not possible without kowtowing before you in utter obedience and acceptance of your idiotic interpretations of issues.   I am accused to be a liar - but you are worse - you try and achieve things through deception.   You are the one that came up with praising of Botha after the Murrayfield test and then had to be corrected when the ESPN stats showed otherwise.   When I made a mistake recently I apologized and accepted I made a mistake/   When you do - the self-rightedness is nauseating  and the deception inevitable.   You went on the rampage about the Whitelock try and when you were challenged and caught out you changed your story four times - and the deception still did not work.  You may think it did. but I treated it with the distaste it deserves.


What is clear is that we have in your case a devious and viciously  old coot of the worst order.     


           
                

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Feb 2014, 02:27
#135
08 Feb 2014, 02:27#135
Okay
1  The animosity between Rooinek and I occurred way before my details were exposed.
2  My details were never revealed on this site
3  I have never made a viciou s remark about Cruz
4  You left a marker about your age when discussing your brother...stop lying
5  I never lie.....you do. There is no way that distortion on de Jongh was a mistake...you were just caught out.
6  The Whitelock  try was exactly as I described it....Goosen hits him outside the 5 m line, he takes 3 steps and stretches. He does not stretch from 3 metres out as you laughably wrote.
So Clever, just another one of your mistakes....but don't bother to apologize, I know you never mean it.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Feb 2014, 03:29
#136
08 Feb 2014, 03:29#136

 Mozart


I call you elsewhere the resident Herr Goebbels and with reason.  I did not lie about De Jongh - I said I made a mstake and apologised for it afterwards.


Lets analyse the Whitelock try episode and your statementsL -


Statement one - Goosen missed the tackle


Statement two -  Whitelock ran over Goosen 


Statement three - Whitelock ran three meters and  plonked down short of the line (no explanation given why he plonked down short of the line)


Statement four  - Whitelock did not plonk down he was tackled by Strauss


The video posted by you proved that you were trying your normal deception and it did not work. 


Who wrote abut the issue of Ole Crux:-


"Still he seems to have come to terms with this scam of the decade.   You may deny it - gut you called it the scam of the decade.   What a farce.

  

How did you work out my age when I was discussing my brother.   I sad he died at the age of 49 in 2004 - what does that make me in 2014?   It gave away nothing 0 yu do not know what our age differences were in any event,


You are a really remarkable old fool - and distortion and deception is normal with you.   Your particulars was not provided on this forum - it was on the other forum where both of us were members.  Clever play in words. 


Then we have the case of you not being lying.   What about the discussion of De Jongh dragging JJ five meters every time he tackled him.    When challenged you went quiet on that one - only to repeat it often enough since then - Herr Goebbels at work as per normal.          



   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Feb 2014, 04:36
#137
08 Feb 2014, 04:36#137
Well let me help you "clever".
 49  plus 10 equals 59 plus two (you are the older brother) puts you at at least  sixty one......nowhere near 10 years my junior.
My guess is you are 62 or 63, but certainly north of 60. 

See you just talk too much.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
08 Feb 2014, 05:16
#138
08 Feb 2014, 05:16#138
 
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
08 Feb 2014, 05:16
#139
08 Feb 2014, 05:16#139
ccl
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
09 Feb 2014, 15:25
#140
09 Feb 2014, 15:25#140
excellent work from admin, :o)

i have no doubt the celebrity status olecruz would have made them curious about this hot topic, and i gladly except their word on the matter,,,,,,,
at least until someone has a valid reason to doubt the admin??? o_O

LMFAO,
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
09 Feb 2014, 17:42
#141
09 Feb 2014, 17:42#141
@olecruz aka tomas lavnini,

i hope u come back to these rugby blogging waters bro and share with us ur unique insights.

IMO thanks to the admin, no one really has any leg to stand on anymore in doubting u, but to each to their own.

at the end of the day, u were under no obligation to validate anyones queries, even though many myself included would have loved for u too.
but the point is, come back and talk rugby bro, for i and of course others thoroughly enjoyed ur insights.
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
09 Feb 2014, 17:49
#142
09 Feb 2014, 17:49#142
@olecruz,

have u ever heard of that song baby come back from pato banton???
hope so, cos it would make this uchiha parody which is just for u ,easier to understand, lolz, :oP,,

olecruz come back
olecruz come back
i must admit i was a clown, to be so full of doubt
but that dosent mean that u ought to leave town
come back
yes and give me one more try
cos ur user ID, should never ever die
comeback
yes share ur ideas on rugby
with the sarugby bloggers, like me and mikey
come back
now that ur with metro racing
u and sarugby can be together for eternity

hope u come back bro, will keep this candle lit to help guide u back, :o)

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ChippoPro3,372 posts
09 Feb 2014, 18:03
#143
09 Feb 2014, 18:03#143
 Here here sasue!
Well said mate.

Yeah this did get out of hand and i gotta say, of all the forums i have been on, the Ed on here is probably the best my some margin.

He puts up with a lot of shit sometimes but doesn't do anything irrational.
I reckon thats why this forum has grown so well over the past 2 years.

As for Ole, I for one dont have any reason to doubt. SO im with dom and sasue on this one.
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MachiavelliClub Pro323 posts
09 Feb 2014, 19:09
#144
09 Feb 2014, 19:09#144
 poi-e
 
Status: Bok regular 
Posts: 692

“it is much safer to be feared than loved because ...love is preserved by the link of obligation which, owing to the baseness of men, is broken at every opportunity for their advantage; but fear preserves you by a dread of punishment which never fails.” 
Niccolò MachiavelliThe Prince
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MachiavelliClub Pro323 posts
09 Feb 2014, 19:10
#145
09 Feb 2014, 19:10#145
 clevermike
 
Status: Hall Of Fame 
Posts: 9005

“The lion cannot protect himself from traps, and the fox cannot defend himself from wolves. One must therefore be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves.” 
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MachiavelliClub Pro323 posts
09 Feb 2014, 19:12
#146
09 Feb 2014, 19:12#146
 mozart
 
Status: Rugby Legend 
Posts: 5725



“A man who is used to acting in one way never changes; he must come to ruin when the times, in changing, no longer are in harmony with his ways.” 
Niccolò MachiavelliMachiavelli Niccolo : Prince
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MachiavelliClub Pro323 posts
09 Feb 2014, 19:13
#147
09 Feb 2014, 19:13#147
 Ceradyne
 
Status: Bok regular 
Posts: 1796

“…he who seeks to deceive will always find someone who will allow himself to be deceived.” 
Niccolò MachiavelliThe Prince
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MachiavelliClub Pro323 posts
09 Feb 2014, 19:15
#148
09 Feb 2014, 19:15#148
 Rooinek
 
Status: Bok regular 
Posts: 1207

“Of mankind we may say in general they are fickle, hypocritical, and greedy of gain.” 
Niccolò MachiavelliThe Prince
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Feb 2014, 19:16
#149
09 Feb 2014, 19:16#149
Gosh are you the real macaroni?  
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MachiavelliClub Pro323 posts
09 Feb 2014, 19:24
#150
09 Feb 2014, 19:24#150
“Nature creates few men brave, industry and training makes many.” 
Niccolò MachiavelliThe Prince

You would know.
“Men intrinsically do not trust new things that they have not experienced themselves.” 
Niccolò MachiavelliThe Prince

I am I said, the real macaroni - as you so crudely call it.


 mozart
 
Status: Rugby Legend 
Posts: 5727RE: Ole Cruz/Tomas 
February 09, 2014, 19:16:17Gosh are you the real macaroni? 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Feb 2014, 19:28
#151
09 Feb 2014, 19:28#151
 Can I call you Cheese?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Feb 2019, 18:45
#152
09 Feb 2019, 18:45#152
Notice how I chase Ole off the site......exhibit 1.
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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
08 Oct 2019, 01:38
#153
08 Oct 2019, 01:38#153

The ole Cruz X-files

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
08 Oct 2019, 08:09
#154
08 Oct 2019, 08:09#154

So, it was the guy. 

Interesting.

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