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Our stock of centers

Started by clevermike9 REPLIES354 VIEWS· 30 May 2015, 22:05
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 May 2015, 22:05
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30 May 2015, 22:05#1

This is where one has to be careful because we have duds on this site who are made enough to constantly punt Steyn - so we will have to see how he measures up against the  other players.


At this stage my merit list is the following:-


1    De Allende

2    Vorster

3.   Serfontein

4.   Mapoe

5.   Venter

6.   Sadie

7.   Esterhuizen

8.   Burger Odendaal

9.   De Jongh

10. Pietersen

11. Steyn


The above list is made up with due regard to actual performances of players and the contributions they made to their respective teams.


Steyn is by some distance the weakest inside center playing rugby in Super 15 in all the squads of SA Franchises.   He made less line breaks and beat less defenders in all the games he played in then a player like De Allende made in one game.   He has in some games showed a deficiency in tackles - but is still a better defender than Steyn.   


Pietersen is not a center - but rather a wing.  However, Pietersen has a serious speed deficiency, which reduces his usefulness drastically and impact also on his ability to defend.


De Jongh loves ball possession losses - he did it only four times today.


If De Villiers gets matchfit and makes it into the squad - I would pick one of the first three at 13.   If not - I would look at De Allende at 12 and either Vorster at 13.        



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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Jun 2015, 11:46
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01 Jun 2015, 11:46#2

Odendaal is higher up that list as is Frans Steyn


JP is not a centre.


Howard Mnisi is up there as well, he is better than de Jongh, or Sadie


Stokkies only needed 5 min on Sat to show what the Lions have missed all season.


de Allende has been huge this year, Vorster has been the find of the season as has Odendaal at times. Frans Venter has come of age despite playing many games out of position at 13. He is fulfilling his U20 promise.


Serfontein has already proven his worth but has not played much this year.


Mapoe has been very good and Mnisi has impressed with what little time he has had on the field.


I'd love to see Jessie Kriel and Kobus v/Wyk get runs at 13

 

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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
01 Jun 2015, 12:32
#3
01 Jun 2015, 12:32#3
Frans and Serf are stronger than Damian. Juan has been massive for the Stormers, his work on and off the ball has created a lot of opportunities for Damian to attack in space. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Jun 2015, 12:54
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01 Jun 2015, 12:54#4
 Delirious again.  All about De Jongh's importance in the Stormers side and nearly nothing about the role of De Allende.  The man who regularly breaks the inside defense line by beating his no 12 opponents never mentioned - with a statement that Steyn and Serfontein are better 12's.    Just one thing - you never saw how De Allende dealt with Fransie and Williams in the matches they played against him?  He beat both of them by showing superior bodily strength and superior line break ability.
The problem is that De Allende makes his passes and run around the recipient to take the next pass outside of De Jongh.   Most of De Jongh's space has been created for him by De Allende - De Jongh himself is physically too weak to create space for another player or for himself - he gets tackled to easily and the ball dies with him.  De Jongh is a finisher - not a creator - that is a fact.        
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Jun 2015, 14:58
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01 Jun 2015, 14:58#5

Bullshit DA is the strongest by some distance, its not even close......the way he imposes himself physically is his greatest weapon....what bloody rugby are you watching Lestat you stupid man.......you just make things up as you go and expect us to take you seriously.


DA is not really about being fleet of foot or glaringly quick, his strength is his strength....but luckily for him he has good pace and good feet to add to his weaponry.


He is the best centre in the entire S15 this year    

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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
01 Jun 2015, 15:01
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01 Jun 2015, 15:01#6
In space yes, but even against the Cheetahs, his hitups were not very strong. He was vaulted in one instance and about to be dumped backwards were it not for Eben driving in behind him. Clearly Coetzee is limiting the amount of work he has to do inside. Juan is doing the hard yards.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Jun 2015, 15:40
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01 Jun 2015, 15:40#7

Oh what utter rubbish, the guy is a physical freak who man handles forwards....he is huge in traffic always breaching the advantage line through sheer physicality.


You are speaking utter rubbish as per usual. Clueless


de Jongh is doing the hard yards.............bwhaahaaaaaa......what a fucking joke you are  

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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
01 Jun 2015, 15:45
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01 Jun 2015, 15:45#8
Man handles forwards!!?? 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Jun 2015, 15:50
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01 Jun 2015, 15:50#9
 Just one question if De Allende are physically not strong enough to play at 12, why does it take two to three people to tackle him virtually every time he handles the ball while the tackle motion is still going forward well over the gain line?     
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Jun 2015, 17:15
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01 Jun 2015, 17:15#10

Lestat as I keep saying is the worst rugby poster I have ever come across. His takes are pure unadulterated bullshit.


Name a more physical centre than DA right now  

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