"You go along with what happened historically - but like Doffies ignore the fact that neither Wales nor Ireland had a Parliament who had to approve the Union." So, Ireland had no Parliament, who could approve the union, then? Why did they then require an Act of Union to become part of the UK? Why didn't "the UK" then just step in and take it in 1800? Oh wait.
They couldn't because the UK didn't exist then. It was the Kingdom of Great Britain. "But..", the Comrade says, "..the UK did exist" and there was no Irish Parliament that could agree to the union.
But wait a minute. What about this:
A treaty between England and Scotland resulted in 1707 in a unified Kingdom of Great Britain, which merged in 1801 with the Kingdom of Ireland to form the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.Have you noticed that, Comrade? The Kingdom of Ireland. Should I repeat that for you? The Kingdom of Ireland. Yes, it was The Kingdom of Ireland that signed the treaty. That is why there were two Acts of Unity in 1801. One passed by the Kingdom of Great Britain and one by the Kingdom of Ireland. Virsta' djy?
Oops, and then there was this, and you better read it carefully:
The Kingdom of Ireland (Classical Irish: Ríoghacht Éireann; Modern Irish: Ríocht Éireann) was a client state of theKingdom of England that existed on Ireland from 1542 until 1800. It came into being when the Parliament of Ireland passed the Crown of Ireland Act 1542 and proclaimed King Henry VIII of England as King of Ireland. The territory of the Kingdom had previously had the status of a lordship of the crown. The Parliament of Ireland passed the Acts of Union 1800 by which it abolished itself and the Kingdom.[2] The act was also passed by the Parliament of Great Britain. The act also had the effect of establishing the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland on the first day of 1801 by uniting the crowns of Ireland and of Great Britain.And then you are also p1ssing in the wind with Wales as well and you are forgetting that there were actually a fifth entity apart from England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. What about Cornwall? Did you know that there are a few people in Cornwall who also have the silly idea that they could survive as a separate independent state again? But, before I confuse you even more, let's stay with the Welsh.
This is your version:"Wales was taken over centuries before and became part of the Kingdom of England"
This form Encyclopaedia Britannica:
"England had absorbed Wales and Cornwall by 1543, through parliamentary incorporation, political and cultural integration of the ruling elites, and administrative cohesion across church and state."And then, finally. "Even in the Scottish referendum last year - reference was made to the "Union" created in 1707 by Cameron and the Labour leaders in their campaigns to support the continuance of the Union - not to anything happening subsequently. "
Yes, I was here. I know what was said in the time leading up to the referendum, during the referendum and thereafter. Of course they would have been talking about the Union. The union of the British Nations, i.e. the English, the Scotish, the Welsh and the Northern Irish (and the Cornish ). That was the union that they were referring to. The Scots wanted to break out of this union and the others wanted them to remain part of the union. As simple as that.
