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Preview: South Africa v World XV; Planet Rugby

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
10 Jul 2015, 15:52
#1
10 Jul 2015, 15:52#1

'Test' has been a word used a lot this week, even though Saturday's clash between the Springboks and the World XV does not carry Test match status.

Official caps will not be awarded this weekend but, as World XV coach Robbie Deans put it, this is as close to a Test as you can get and the quality of the opposition the Boks will face this weekend will certainly be a cut above many teams that will feature at the World Cup.

Unlike most invitational teams that inevitably struggle at the set pieces due limited preparation time and thus are not able to lay a proper platform to challenge, this World XV will have far fewer teething problems as it built around a core of nine players from Toulon's triple European Cup winning side.

Expect the visitors to be solid at lineout time as hooker Craig Burden will be throwing to the same two locks he has been working with for two years (and who also just happen to be two of the best second rowers of the past decade).

Likewise, a pack featuring a tight five made of four Toulon players plus a former South African Player of the Year complemented by a back row consisting of two Crusaders and last season's European Player of Year, the World XV scrum is unlikely to crumble.

Indeed, Springbok legend and World XV captain Bakkies Botha wasn't just churning out the sound bites when he said this side would "ask questions" of his former team-mates - he genuinely believes he will be contributing to the South African cause when the side he leads on Saturday tries to poke holes the Boks' structures.

The Springboks won't lose. They should still win comfortably considering that many of the World XV have been on holiday for the past month, but there are many areas that need to be tested, most notably in midfield and in the loose trio.

Heyneke Meyer has faced a lot of criticism for his selections and while all have a certain logic behind them, there is very time left for certain players to convince.

Some who have struggled to find their top form in Super Rugby, like JP Pietersen, must show they are up to scratch while others in pivotal positions, like Ruan Pienaar, must prove their detractors wrong.

The start of the Rugby Championship heralds the final episode in the build up the ultimate prize and Meyer will want his side to head into next week's clash with Australia in Brisbane confident that they are on the right path.

Players to watch:

For South Africa: The focus of the spotlight will be on 20-year-old Jesse Kriel, who makes his first senior national appearance at outside centre having played the entire season at full-back for the Bulls. That Kriel is a special talent is no doubt, and he was excellent in the 13 jersey for the SA U20 side last year, but is it wise to be experimenting with a youngster in a key defensive position two months before the World Cup? To be fair on Meyer, none of the available candidates offer the potential that Kriel brings to the table. If Kriel can string two strong performances together over the next fortnight, he may be a valuable asset in the squad in terms of being able to cover multiple positions.

Sharks openside Marcell Coetzee will be tested at blindside flank in a back row sorely missing Duane Vermeulen. With Willem Alberts also not available and Warren Whiteley a player that looks to attack space rather than dominate opponents physically, the Boks are short of a big ball carrier and a lineout jumper. Francois Louw is the undisputed first-choice openside so Coetzee must convince Meyer that he can make up for his lack of size with a high work rate and bring something different to the mix.

For World XV: The Boks' ability to compete for the ball at rucks will be tested by arguably Europe's best exponent of the breakdown battle, Steffon Armitage. The one South African in the World XV who still has a shot at making the World Cup is Flip van der Merwe, who insists he is available for selection, despite a recent statement from SARU to the contrary. Since South Africa will be experimenting with using flanker Oupa Mohoje to cover lock, Van der Merwe might well have a point to prove.

This game also doubles up as a farewell to an icon, as Bakkies Botha will play his last professional game on South African soil. This week Deans said that naming Botha as captain a "logical choice" even though he has rarely skippered teams in the past. "He is a legend of the game, not only in South Africa but in the world," commented Deans."He has been great, from day one, unprompted and before we even discussed the leadership he was leading so it is a good fit." True to character, expect Botha to go out with a bang.

Prediction: South Africa scored six tries to beat last year's version of the World XV 47-13 but the scoreline shouldn't be quite so lopsided this time around. The Boks will have far more to play for though and should win relatively well. South Africa by 18 points.

The teams:

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Handré Pollard, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Marcell Coetzee, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Victor Matfield (c), 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Adriaan Strauss, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Oupa Mohoje, 20 Schalk Burger, 21 Cobus Reinach, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Jean de Villiers.

World XV: 15 Delon Armitage, 14 Lachlan Turner, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Maxime Mermoz, 11 David Smith, 10 Mike Harris, 9 Luke Burgess, 8 Luke Whitelock, 7 Steffon Armitage, 6 Jordan Taufua, 5 Bakkies Botha, 4 Ali Williams, 3 Carl Hayman, 2 Craig Burden, 1 Gurthro Steenkamp.
Replacements: 16 David Roumieu, 17 Alexandre Menini, 18 Petrus du Plessis, 19 Flip Van der Merwe, 20 Louis-Benoit Madaule, 21 Maxime Machenaud, 22 Andrew Horrell, 23 Rudi Wulf.

Date: Saturday, 11 July
Venue: Newlands, Cape Town
Kick-off: 17:00 local (15:00 GMT)
Referee: John Lacey (Ireland)
Assistant referees: Marius van der Westhuizen (South Africa), Jason Jaftha (South Africa)
Television match official: Deon van Blommestein (South Africa)

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
10 Jul 2015, 15:56
#2
10 Jul 2015, 15:56#2

Will Bakkies head-but his ol' mate Vic for old times sake, lol I guess we will have wait and see

 

If the Boks win by a decent margin there will be some crowing on this site.

 

Pun intended

OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
10 Jul 2015, 16:29
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10 Jul 2015, 16:29#3
Looking forward to it. Should be a legitimate "test" of the Boks. World XV Pack is formidable although I don't expect them to have the legs in the second half to compete.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jul 2015, 16:31
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10 Jul 2015, 16:31#4
 JW 
There are various weakness in the SA team tomorrow that could cause problems for them.  These include -
*  Jannie du Plessis at tighthead - he really was poor in tests last year and not much better in SR this year;
*  Victor Matfield - who is not a Tight 5 player and will reduce the SA team's Tight 5 to a Tight 4 and do nothing else of note on the field of play.
*   Ruan Pienaar - whose service is slow and his kicking game could also become  pear-shaped; and
*   JP Pietersen - whose pace compared with a snail is slow.
If things go wrong tomorrow the above will be where the wheels will come off.  
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
10 Jul 2015, 16:32
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10 Jul 2015, 16:32#5
JJ gives the World XV a sizeable problem on defence. I would have preferred a big centre pairing to test the Boks as that is the area of concern. We also have a very weak bench. Reinach and Lambie offer too little at 9 and 10, and Jean has little protection should the midfield fall apart. Ruan's only attribute is kicking, but he is very erratic with the boot. Expect one-off punch runners off 9. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jul 2015, 17:56
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10 Jul 2015, 17:56#6
 The weak point in the Tight 5 is MATFIELD and JANNIE DU PLESSIS - nobody else.  Matfield makes zero contribution to Tight 5 play.
Reinach will be miles better than Pienaar and the center pairing is the best we have had for a while.   De Allende played the fool with Fransie Steyn and got the better of SB Williams and Nonu, but according to your idiocy he will fail.  The best inside center in the SH this year was De Allende - yet he is the one you implied will fail.   
You must have Louw completely wrong - thinking of Flippie and Alberts again.   
Just a question - can Steenkamp get any fatter than he already is - and will he be in full retreat like he was against Argentina next year?
I have rarely read such a mixed up version of anything.  The good players are BS - the poor players not mentioned.    I stick with my list of potential failures and chances are that DE Allende will be MOM.
          
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jul 2015, 02:23
#7
11 Jul 2015, 02:23#7
The weaknesses of Lambie and raainacht have been well noted. Hell, jeans injury came directly from a dropped Lambie ball and scrum penalty. The sheer nervousness of the Lambie/ Raainacht combination impacts the whole backline....see the Sharks early games. It may not be in full evidence tomorrow, they have more gudspa against weak teams. But if they are on the park against Oz....a flop is likely.  
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
11 Jul 2015, 02:34
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11 Jul 2015, 02:34#8
Lambie has yet to look like he belongs in test rugby against any team. He barely looks comfortable at Super level. Reinach is just a fast man playing for a rugby team. Aside from speed nothing stands out. His kicking is inferior to Ruan's, his pass is short. With Lambie and Reinach you have two short passers and that affects the alignment, depth and setup of attacking moves. Very limiting, henceforth no successful attacking backline has ever featured these two players. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jul 2015, 04:49
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11 Jul 2015, 04:49#9
 So Lambie and Reinach is on the bench and you obviously want the worst match-loser of them all - Morne Steyn - as back up flyhalf.   Both of you are talking crap about that combination - because you base your arguments on near to zero factual info.
Mozart is talking about the early games of the Sharks, but conveniently forgot about the Chiefs game woin by the Sharks because of two players - Lambie and Reinach - despite the fact that Francois Steyn caused the Sharks to play most of the game with 13 players.   The real bugger-ups in the Sharks games were the poor center combination not the problem you carry on about.
The usual selective crap by Mozart is evident.   The "nervousness" of Lambie was obviously on display when he landed the 55 meter penalty conversion in the Ellis Park test - winning the test for the Springboks and that of Reinach when he played a major role in the tests against the Wallabies and England last year.   If crap has ever been invented about players - this is it.
Then we have the coolness of Morne when he failed to find touch with a penalty in the Perth test and both you two idiots blame everyone but him for that match-losing effort.   One can only laugh at your silliness based on prejudice only when it comes to player performance evaluation.
However, the two players you go for now is not in the starting line-up.   The problem situation is in the starting line-up with essentially players way past their sell-by date.  Who of you two has seen any matches in which Ruan Pienaar played this year?   Over the years his service got slower and slower and his kicking game worse.   His club this year ended up bottom of the log in the pool they played in in the European Championship - so they were even worse than the Sharks - yet that is conveniently forgotten about and he himself was not really on par with what he was last year.  But he is the preferred player in this case.  It was generally recognised that Pietersen was crap this year - especially in defense - because of a serious speed deficiency.  He played at 13 - will that deficiency not affect his play even more on the wing?   The deficiencies of Matfield in the Tight 5 and Jannie in scrumming was clear as daylight in the tests they played in last year and in Super 15 this year - but you two were too idiotic to assess that properly.
This is really the end of discussion.                  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jul 2015, 05:27
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11 Jul 2015, 05:27#10
It would be nice if all these pipe dreams were real. Sadly we are going nowhere with Stephanie, Reinacht, Coetzee, Lomp, Lambie and Step. The hope is HM already knows that and will stick with real competitors and proven winners.
 
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 Jul 2015, 05:39
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11 Jul 2015, 05:39#11
The main thing is for the Boks not only to win but to win big.  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jul 2015, 05:50
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11 Jul 2015, 05:50#12
 Real competitors who have lost the physical ability to compete - what a joke that one is.   Mozart - the idea of you and Desert disaster about player performances is at best weird and the list of players you single out has been proved wrong repeatedly in the past.   The hope is that Meyer knows that and leave them out of the squad.
Rumour is that Morne Steyn is out and the constant sub-par Francois Steyn will go back to Japan soon.  Jannie is given another chance to show something today - because he was so poor this year.   The same with some other "competitors" like Pietersen.
Incidentally Jannie is fortunate today - he is scrumming against another "competitor" - Steenkamp - who was even worse last year in tests than Jannie was.   One year on and those two "competitors" went further back.
I would never say that Matfield ever was  a "competitor" in Tight 5 play - at least that is the opinion of previous Springbok locks.
So let Meyer pick your "competitors" and since we are already rated as easy prey in the upcoming WC  - it would even get worse.  Are we going to lose earlier this year than we did in 2011?   We may and that would be as scandalous as the loss was in 2011 - when your "competitors" were all in the then squad.   Before running off to the ref cover like before - let me remind you that your "competitors" in the 2011 WC barely managed to beat the Welsh by 1 point and the Samoans by 6 points in the pool stage of the competition - a loss against the Aussies was on the cards. 
"Competitors" - a joke of unimaginable dimension.    
DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
11 Jul 2015, 08:32
#13
11 Jul 2015, 08:32#13
I'm not interested in big scores, but ticking certain boxes. With a patchwork loose trio and a strong opposition front row we probably aren't going to have the dominance up front to run riot. Besides, Deans always has very stout defence in his invitational teams, so we should expect the same on today. Watch the backs closely. Look at our patterns and see how that works out. 
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
11 Jul 2015, 10:25
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11 Jul 2015, 10:25#14
 
Sooooo ... old man Bakkies is now a 5 lock, huh!! What a hoot!!

Is JP honestly the best winger Meyer could come up with? Must be a quota pick ... with Oupa.

Kriel's season at 13 must have been what persuaded Meyer to select him ... that or no suitable outside backs to pick from ... oh wait a moment ... Kriel's a Bull ... sorry ... I forgot the most important criteria.

Goooooooo World XV    ....  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jul 2015, 11:26
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11 Jul 2015, 11:26#15
 DF
I am going to watch certain players carefully to see who is producing the goods and who not.    I will be watching the game from a neutral perspective - take notes on players and times and make an objective assessment afterwards,
The players to watch today is basically the following:-
KrielDe AllendePienaarWhiteleyMatfieldJannie du Plessis
Based on my notes I will provisionally rate them out of ten and then c heck my rating against the ESPN stats,   If there is an anomaly I will watch the game again to check where I went wrong in my assessments.
If Lambie and Reinach gets sufficient playing time, I will include them in my assessment.    
Players who deserve criticism based on their performance will get it in the neck - those who did well will get the necessary credit.   Objectivity is the only norm to be used prejudice is out.     
 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Jul 2015, 12:27
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11 Jul 2015, 12:27#16
A worthless test played against a crap World 15 containing a bunch of washed up hasbeens.......Steenkamp, Bakkies and Ali Williams.......give me a break.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jul 2015, 16:45
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11 Jul 2015, 16:45#17
 Desert Disaster
Where did you get the following:-
'Mermoz is a monster that could operate in the capacity of Nonu"

Mermoz is a 90 kg 5'11" midget - about the size of useless De Jongh.  Do your homework before making BS statements on this site.  
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