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Prof John Lennox rocks

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Sept 2014, 16:04
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18 Sept 2014, 16:04#201
Oh, here is something i found in my bookmarks. 
"The conclusion of this lecture is that the universe has not existed forever. Rather, the universe, and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang, about 15 billion years ago. The beginning of real time, would have been a singularity, at which the laws of physics would have broken down. Nevertheless, the way the universe began would have been determined by the laws of physics, if the universe satisfied the no boundary condition. This says that in the imaginary time direction, space-time is finite in extent, but doesn't have any boundary or edge. The predictions of the no boundary proposal seem to agree with observation. The no boundary hypothesis also predicts that the universe will eventually collapse again. However, the contracting phase, will not have the opposite arrow of time, to the expanding phase. So we will keep on getting older, and we won't return to our youth. Because time is not going to go backwards, I think I better stop now"
That's the closing statement of the talk linked below, where he goes through what the leading ideas have been and how they, via experiment mainly, have come to think of the moment the universe began.
http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

Dunno, maybe this helps you. Or yeah, the devil put microwave radiation there to confuse us all 
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WardadPro6,663 posts
18 Sept 2014, 17:14
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18 Sept 2014, 17:14#202
 Waste of time plum ,his "leading scientists " are anything but .You may as well talk to the furniture as debate with someone whos skull is so dense it has its own gravity well .
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
18 Sept 2014, 17:46
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18 Sept 2014, 17:46#203
Professor John Lennox is basically a school teacher. Many school teachers have studied masters degrees. One more degree and that makes someone a professor or a Doctor- in title. 
John Lennox has achieved nothing as a scientist. He is from Northern Ireland where he was a teacher, then moved to Wales where he is currently a teacher in a college. He is registered with Oxford College but lives and teaches in Wales.
While I dont want to knock teachers because they do have a role to fulfill, they generally not achieve anything within their scientific discipline because they are not practicing the profession- but merely teaching the text books to university under grads. 
Lennox is entitled to his opinion but Hawkins, Einstein, Darwin etc, etc are opinion leaders within the scientific community. 
John Lennox makes his extra pocket money a few books to religious community. He is nothing in the scientific community.
AO
Admit OneClub Pro389 posts
18 Sept 2014, 19:19
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18 Sept 2014, 19:19#204
All bullshit.
People believe what they want to believe.
Aren't all the religions in the world enough proof of that?
Most people are fucking nuts! Right out of their minds!
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
19 Sept 2014, 12:05
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19 Sept 2014, 12:05#205
 
Not a matter of Beandip winning, but rather him killing you with masses of other peoples opinions.

Copy and paste you to death ... all of which are opinionated theory ... no substance ... the truth remains hidden. 

He doesn't have a single thought of his own.

Easily lead down the garden path by whatever whim takes him next.

A silly man. 
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Sept 2014, 12:16
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19 Sept 2014, 12:16#206
 Wardad.
I can see how it get's frustrating to debate when the other side has zero interest in actually listening what one has to say. And simply gives half baked rebuttals followed by insults. Does make you wonder if these people actually do believe, since their behavior suggests o therwise.
Have tried to remain objective and instead of pressing my viewpoint, to simply try and correct the misunderstanding by Beeno of what Hawking has written. I've also posed various questions, which have been flat out ignored.
Ultimately, it is they who make the claim for god, so the onus of proof rests with them. And unfortunately the best they can do, just as religiosity has done since the dawn of time, is to suppress and ridicule others to prop themselves up.
It makes me kind of sad actually to think that in this day and age those sorts of tactics are still used. Insert Mr T's most famous line here.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Sept 2014, 12:29
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19 Sept 2014, 12:29#207
 More bluster and no content from the darwinian dinosaurs! 
Answer the FACT of the intelligence shown in the contruction of the simplest cell or the human genome with its written code. Einstein was overawed by the intelligence blindingly apparent in the universe.
Dr Stephen Meyer : The discovery of the information bearing properties of DNA and RNA is a fundamental challenge to all materialistic theories of the origin of life.Neo Darwinism and its associated theories of chemical evolution and the like will not be able to survive the biology of the information age, the biology of the 21st century.
Why am I not surprise there is total gobsmacked silence re tha tbrilliant first clip I posted dealing with this topic.
Okas we are simply in the process of burying Darwinism - hence Flew abandoning this archaic view.Now we have ou sharkbok, not having learnt a lesson about Einstein sprouting a whoile lot of bull about Lennox.The book in front of me states Prof Lennox has a MA, PHD, D PHIL and DSc. That is atriple doctorate. He mentioned he has just finished amasters degree in biological ethics. He is a professor of mathematics and the philosophy of Science at Green Templeto College.Some school teacher - man what a daft staement by ou sharkbok. Smacks of extreme desparation.he also took poor Richard Dawkin to the cleaners in their debates as that a rticle I posted showed. Dawkin never questions PRof Lennox's academic standing.How great it is that Lennox and so many more academics are rising up to boot this Darwinian nonsense into touch. It's really great that by using science they are able to tell the half backed atheists atheists today  that their worldview is hopelessly wrong.We are now just administering the funeral rites to this rotten corpse that has led so many astray . 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Sept 2014, 12:46
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19 Sept 2014, 12:46#208

Plum I showed how your further explanation via Hawking had the same self-contradictions and lack of understanding of what a Physical law can achieve. End of.

Then you make a post saying the Universe had a beginning etc - well exactly so. You actually have been the outstanding respondent in this debate. Nice also to have it confirmed that the Universe which is speeding up will not at some point collapse in on itself. (You hear that rooitwit! Hahahahahahahaha another prop shatters)

 

But please get your facts straight. The Darwinists have used every trick in the book to shut up Creationists and have had them removed from faculties and battled for all they are worth to prevent intelligent design from being taught in schools etc, etc, etc. Fortunately a court case in America recently overturned that much to the huge outrage of these bigots.

I am simply enjoying having a good laugh at these oaks who are now taking the big dive as their warped theories come crashing down.

 

ABOVE  is an excellent clip about intelligent design and evidence for it.

 



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Sept 2014, 13:45
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19 Sept 2014, 13:45#209
 
The second part
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becsPro4,378 posts
19 Sept 2014, 14:32
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19 Sept 2014, 14:32#210
 My friend just had a visit from the Jehovas Witness bunch......interesting chat, so I hear !!! 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Sept 2014, 14:55
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19 Sept 2014, 14:55#211
 Weird lot Becs, rather not speak to them myself and they can keep their pamphlets as well. When someone wan'ts to talk to me about God or religion, I immediately ask them who they represent and if they seem to try and avoid the answer, I send them packing. I am not closed to new views, but it is pointless to revisit old debates time and time again, and JW/Watchtower people knows no end. I think most of us on here has a good idea where the others stand on this subject, so it would be pointless flogging the same old dead horse any further. Beeno, you can rest now. You tried to spread the word, leave it at that now...please this thread is getting too long.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 Sept 2014, 15:05
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19 Sept 2014, 15:05#212
"Beeno, you can rest now. You tried to spread the word, leave it at that now...please this thread is getting too long."

Translation: Baboon-ou, the other christians and believers of this board are all cringeing at your stupidity and your laughably juvenile little world view and they all wish you'd shut up so you don't embarrass them any further.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
19 Sept 2014, 15:06
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19 Sept 2014, 15:06#213
I had a nightmare last night. 
In my dream I woke up as I heard banging on the door. I got up and opened the door, and nooooooo!!!, it was Beeno with pamphlets of butchered Einstein quotes.....  Just a picture of Einstein with things he never said........to help peddle the creationism theory .
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Sept 2014, 15:09
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19 Sept 2014, 15:09#214
 Yes Draad I have had the pleasure of posting a lot of material here for the oaks to consider if they have the guts to take a look. For myself I think they werre great clips to watch. Please remember though that nobody has been forced to read this thread or anything zi have posted. Where things have been forced if by atheists trying to maintain their right to ram their obsolete theories down the throats of everyone. Thaty thankfully is ending as their credence evaporates.
Besides the evidence for design etc the last clip in particular shows the bigotry involved. In this regard I have not seen the movie "Expelled" but have googled and will see what it is saying
I see some complaints that I did not respond to a myriad of questions. However the thread was about a few specific things not about Jehova witnesses etc etc etc.



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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Sept 2014, 15:18
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19 Sept 2014, 15:18#215
 Hey Beeno. This one is free. I'll regret it but check out something called the cosmological constant.
I'm done with this debate, but as far as creationism goes, the above is to my mind the best basis for an argument to support it. That is, creationsism...NOT god!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Sept 2014, 15:21
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19 Sept 2014, 15:21#216
 
This is the Movie Expelled.
I see ou rooitwit posting more bluster and empty nonsense. At least you know what to expect from rooitwit!! Very consistent oak!
Go and read Einstein's sayings Sharkbok you were all at sea. I suppose Einstein was intelligent and thus recognised intelligence - Hmmmm could this be Sharkboks problem Bwahahhahahahaha



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becsPro4,378 posts
19 Sept 2014, 15:25
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19 Sept 2014, 15:25#217
 You know, we used to get a visit from the JW's every Christmas and Easter...just at very inconvenient times. Mum used to answer the door to them.....they regretted that ! I always had a good read of the Watchtower though.....
An Aunt became a JW...not sure if she still is or not.

When I was at University, a very new spin off from the Seventh Day Adventists arrived from America and set up shop in the area. Now they were a pain. They did not leave you alone for a second. They used to sit on buses, one to every seat, so they had to sit next to someone and they would then start the conversation from that moment. They were a total nuisance. 
Of course. People got very angry with them....and then we had the seige at Waco with the Branch Davidians and people got really mad at anyone wanting to bother them with Religion ! 
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WardadPro6,663 posts
19 Sept 2014, 16:12
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19 Sept 2014, 16:12#218
 I got a great idea from an aussie comedian in the 80s on how to deal with all the JWs and mormons and so on ,I had a penthouse magazine and XXXX rated video ready plus a 6 pack or 2 in the fridge like all good diggers .They showed me theirs so I showed them mine and invited them in for pur poses of comparison .Never had a repeat caller , those barstards treated my Saturday mornings like it was their bloody church on my doorstep.My old man tore up a book of mormon when I was a lad and tossed it after 2 very pale wee yankees ....pretty thick book like the mormons who believed that sh!t .
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Sept 2014, 17:25
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19 Sept 2014, 17:25#219
 Just watched " No intelligence Allowed". Very interesting.
Ends with ou Dawkin being interviewed. He admits there could be indications of inteliigent design. He then suggests it could have been injected into the sytem by superior aliens. He then says they however would have had to evolve. Why bother to explain intelligent design via aliens. If aliens could evolve without a agent of design on an alien planet why not just explain that for our planet?
He admits that he has no clue how the universe started and no idea how life started but insists it can't be God.The poor oak is compleley lost and confused. Its quite amazing to hear a supposedly intelligent person and a supppsoed scientist babbling like this.
Lots of points of interest. One thing though - the genie is out of the box and the Darwinists are going come under increasing stick. Their gestapo methods in crushing debate, trying to silece opponents and failed science will see them going down.They are running scared.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Sept 2014, 22:41
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22 Sept 2014, 22:41#220
 All the excellent stuff I posted needs to be available for a while longer. Who knows some oaks may even be brave enough to view these clips!!That first video clip spells the end of Dawinism. Kaput goes Darwinism. 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Sept 2014, 23:08
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22 Sept 2014, 23:08#221
 How about this!GREAT SUMMARY OF THE FOOLISHNESS OF ATHEISM.
The Foolishness of Atheismby Eric Lyons, M.Min.

Atheists are fond of claiming that their way of thinking is logical, reasonable, and intellectual. They maintain that they are open-minded and refer to themselves as free thinkers. Unlike Christians, who are allegedly delusional, irrational, blind, and absurd, atheists consider themselves utterly rational, sensible people who follow the evidence wherever it leads.

Yet atheism says that everything came from nothing. 

Atheism says that an explosion caused exquisite order. 

It says that random chances produced precision and that life popped into existence in nature from non-life

Atheism says that the design of the human eye is a delusion, while the design of a camera is apparent. 

Atheism says that fish and frogs are man’s distant forefathers and that intelligence is the result of non-intelligence

Atheism alleges that either man is on the same moral plane as a moose, or he actually evolved a sense of morality from amoral monkeys. (HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA)



When atheism is stripped of pompous proclamations and arrogant allegations, its naked soul is seen for what it really is: weak, illogical, unscientific, and worthless. Atheists blindly believe that, for example, life came from non-life. Rather than accept what scientific experimentation has repeatedly concluded over the past 200 years (that in nature life comes only from life and that of its own kind), atheists remain committed to a disproven theory. Man has never witnessed mindlessness bring forth intelligence. He’s never seen something come from nothing.

While trying to convince others he is galloping confidently atop a stallion called Common Sense, in truth, atheism stumbles on the back of a donkey called Foolishness. Is there any wonder why David said, “The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God’” (Psalm 14:1)?

For since the creation of the world His [God’s] invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools (Romans 1:20-22). AMEN AND AMEN.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Sept 2014, 23:12
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22 Sept 2014, 23:12#222
 H ERE IS A CHALLENGE - THINK OF SOMETHING MORE FOOLISH THAN ATHEISM. I would say its impossible!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Sept 2014, 15:03
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23 Sept 2014, 15:03#223
 Lets keep this thread in full view of rooi  twit, warped DUD and others.Who knows they might just pick up the courage to view the material and be rescued from their madness.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Sept 2014, 18:59
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23 Sept 2014, 18:59#224
How did the oaks like the summary of the foolishness of atheism. That donkey is a classic. Hahhaahahahaha
I have to say though the atheist tactic of avoiding the evidence has some merit as the evidence can't be answered. However their surrender of the field tells that all is lost and the only honest thing is really to admit ones blunder. 




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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Sept 2014, 10:28
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25 Sept 2014, 10:28#225
 Extract from John Clayton - Why I left atheism:

My high school career was one in which I grew quite rapidly academically. I enjoyed science and decided that I wanted to be a scientist of some kind. I entered Indiana University majoring in the field of physical science. It was actually at this point that one of the great changes that occurred in my life took place. I enrolled in a course in astronomy at the feet of one of the great astronomers of our day. In that particular course, we were studying the problem of origins??the creation of matter from nothing. As we discussed this particular subject, we went into all those theories that are in that particular material. We talked about the big-bang theory, the quasistatal theory, the continuous generation theory, the planetessimal theory, etc.


When we got to the conclusion of that discussion, I asked the professor which of the particular theories was the one that is most acceptable and that satisfactorily explains the creation of matter from nothing. He leaned over the desk and looked me straight in the eye and said, “Young man, you need to learn to ask intelligent questions.” That rather upset me. I did not appreciate that and I said, “Well, what do you mean?” He said, “This is not a question that a scientist tries to answer. This is a question for the philosopher or theologian, but this is not something that falls into the realm of science.” In today's discussions of black holes and parallel universes, things have not changed. The basic question of the creation of matter/energy from absolutely nothing is not an area that can be scientifically explored. I was very disturbed by that answer. I had always felt that science could ultimately answer all the questions that man had??that there was nothing that science could not eventually take care of as far as what man might challenge and want to know about. Yet this learned man, an expert in his field, said that this was an area that the scientist should not even try to answer??that it was totally beyond the capacity of science to explain and explore.


Not too long after that, I enrolled in a course in biology at the feet of one of the great primitive life scientists in the country. As we discussed the initial beginning of life upon the earth in that class, we talked about the synthesis of various primitive chemical materials such as deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA). As we discussed this, I once again asked a question related to the one that I had asked previously. I asked this professor what the process was by which the original life?—?the original living cells upon the earth?—?came into existence. How did the structure or generation of DNA occur? Once again, this man said, “Young man, that is not a question that falls within the realm of science.” In today's world we understand more about biochemical processes, but we cannot answer how in the environment of the primitive earth these processes came into operation. I guess what was happening to me was the same thing that Lord Kelvin, a very famous British scientist, described in his writings when he made the statement, “If you study science deep enough and long enough it will force you to believe in God.” (As with Antony Flew)That is what happened to me. I began to realize that science had its limitations?—?that science, in fact, strongly pointed to other explanations than natural ones to certain questions.
Truly the FOOL has said in his heart there is no God. When will these FOOLS learn?







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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
25 Sept 2014, 11:13
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25 Sept 2014, 11:13#226
Sigh!

Baboon-ou, I've tried on several occasions to stop you making a complete and utter fool of yourself but - as can be seen above - to no avail.

This is the same old tired tripe . . . you found someone who converted from atheism to christianity (in this case quite a dull-witted specimen if he thinks the Big Bang claims that matter was created from nothing) so therefore science is wrong and the bible is right. I mean, really, could even a really stupid person like yourself actually believe this is going to change anyone's mind?

I hate to be the one to break this to you, Baboon-ou, but for every convert from atheism to christianity that you find, there are  probably 10 times as many converting the other way. One thing that even you blinkered and small-minded bible-bashers cannot deny is that the world's population is becoming less religious and more secular with every passing day. As people become more educated and less indoctrinated, they are turning away from religion and the numbers for every single religion are constantly dwindling and just about any stats you care to draw will confirm that.

People are converting from various religions to atheism (and/or agnosticism) all the time . . . the difference is, we don't run around punching the air and shrieking at the top of our voices that we've proven or disproven anything just because one more thinking person joined our ranks.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
25 Sept 2014, 11:22
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25 Sept 2014, 11:22#227
 " And lo the Lord Thy  GOD did have a bout of the diarrhoea that was indeed explosive !.From the firm lumpy bits did he raise up the mountains majestic , the squishy turds he did flatten into the fertile plains and valleys .The super runny bits did he make unto the 7 seas ,7 being the number he did deem necessary , oceans also did he create from them and the lakes and rivers also.The nutty bits did he make into the animals and fishes as both provender and companion for man and the little riblets of man did he make into a companion most comely indeed !The corny bits that flew farthest unto the Lords heavenly loo were given the gift of flight most wondrous to behold !The most vile , odious speck in all of gods most wonderful creation , the loathsome remnants of Jehovahs most toothsome supper of beans twice baked did he scrape from the Lords porcelain throne .And created the bean most foul in all his creation ."See your not the only one that can talk sh!t eh beandork ?
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ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
25 Sept 2014, 11:26
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25 Sept 2014, 11:26#228
 Yes Wardad but how long did all that take.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
25 Sept 2014, 11:40
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25 Sept 2014, 11:40#229
I guess what was happening to me was the same thing that Lord Kelvin, a very famous British scientist, described in his writings when he made the statement, "If you study science deep enough and long enough it will force you to believe in God".

Tell me, Baboon-ou, would this be the same Lord Kelvin who estimated the earth was 20-40 million years old only to be proven wrong when radiometric dating was discovered?

Is this the same Lord Kelvin who described the invention of X-Rays as a hoax?

The same Lord Kelvin who didn't believe that manned flight could ever be a practical possibility and was quoted in 1902 as saying "No balloon and no aeroplane will ever be practically successful."?

The same Lord Kelvin who claimed "There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement"?

The same Lord Kelvin who predicted that the earth would run out of oxygen in 400 years?

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!

You really can pick them, Baboon-ou!
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WardadPro6,663 posts
25 Sept 2014, 11:41
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25 Sept 2014, 11:41#230
 Just 6 Egyptian patented 24 hour days of no undies and a truckload of TP , although it would seem like 14.7 billion God years I suppose .Hmm where did that storm come from? looks like lightni.....
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Sept 2014, 11:41
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25 Sept 2014, 11:41#231
 The science bashing of the atheists continues. The evidence piles up and the atheists continue with bankrupt bluster and rants.
Science has completely buried dawinism and atheism. My thanks to science for following where the evidence leads.
The mopping up operation continues as the funeral fires of atheism burn brighly. 
Oaks IF you can refute any of the evidence presented please give it a go but do desist from bluster and rants as it's making you look as daft as you really are. 
This is really too easy . The foolish atheists started off so confidently but have been reduced to inane rants (note the foaming at mouth warped DUD in particular) and empty bluster that fools nobody including themsleves.
Have any of you plucked up the courage to watch the video clips?




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WardadPro6,663 posts
25 Sept 2014, 11:44
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25 Sept 2014, 11:44#232
 Ha missed both me legs ! Claydog all that is a true story as evidenced by Beansh!ts pegged nose .Even he cant stand his own stenchyness .
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WardadPro6,663 posts
25 Sept 2014, 11:51
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25 Sept 2014, 11:51#233
 This is how retarded bible bashers "Prove "that their book of fairytales is  "true  'They use their bible yarns as 'Proof" that their bible yarns are "true" cos if you use the bible as a primary source of evidence that the bible is true then it must be "true" Hardly circular at all is it ? more sort of egg shaped .
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Sept 2014, 11:52
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25 Sept 2014, 11:52#234
 Dont you think this is a good sumamry of the foolishness of atheism:

Yet atheism says that everything came from nothing. Bwahahhahahahahahahaha


Atheism says that an explosion caused exquisite order. Bwahahhahahahahahaha


It says that random chances produced precision and that life popped into existence in nature from non-life. Bwahahahahahahhahahaha


Atheism says that the design of the human eye is a delusion, while the design of a camera is apparent.  Bwahahahahahahahhahaha


Atheism says that fish and frogs are man’s distant forefathers and that intelligence is the result of non-intelligence. Bwahahahahahahahhahahahaa

Atheism alleges that either man is on the same moral plane as a moose, or he actually evolved a sense of morality from amoral monkeys. Bwahahahahhahahaha


SERIOUSLY CAN ANYBODY BE AS FOOLISH AS AN ATHEIST? SURELY IT JUST ISNT POSSIBLE!!!



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Sept 2014, 12:02
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25 Sept 2014, 12:02#235
 SOMETHING FOR OU ROOITWIT TO PONDER. 

 In his book The Clash of Civilizations, Samuel Huntington predicts that demographics will decide the clash between Christianity and Islam. And, as he puts it, "in the long run, Muhammad wins out."

In this instance, Huntington is wrong. For the foreseeable future there will be many more Christians than Muslims in the world.

As Penn State professor Philip Jenkins writes in The Next Christendom: The Coming of Global Christianity, predictions like Huntingtons betray an ignorance of the explosive growth of Christianity outside of the West.

For instance, in 1900, there were approximately 10 million Christians in Africa. By 2000, there were 360 million. By 2025, conservative estimates see that number rising to 633 million. Those same estimates put the number of Christians in Latin America in 2025 at 640 million and in Asia at 460 million.

According to Jenkins, the percentage of the worlds population that is, at least by name, Christian will be roughly the same in 2050 as it was in 1900. By the middle of this century, there will be three billion Christians in the world -- one and a half times the number of Muslims. In fact, by 2050 there will be nearly as many Pentecostal Christians in the world as there are Muslims today.

But at that point, only one-fifth of the worlds Christians will be non-Hispanic whites. The typical Christian will be a woman living in a Nigerian village or in a Brazilian shantytown.

And these changes will be more than demographic. Jenkins points out that who he calls "Southern Christians" -- those living in Africa, Latin America, and parts of Asia -- are far more conservative, theologically and morally, than their counterparts in the West.

Thus, as Christianity becomes more Southern, it becomes more biblically orthodox. While people like Bishop John Shelby Spong and Templeton Prize winner Arthur Peacock insist that Christianity must abandon its historic beliefs to survive, it is precisely these historic beliefs that attract our Southern brethren.

And thats why in Spong and Peacocks own Anglican Communion African bishops are ordaining missionaries to re-convert the West.

This story of Christianitys explosive growth is one of the great untold stories of our time -- a story that North American Christians need to hear.

Its a story that repudiates those who say that Christians must compromise their beliefs to remain relevant. The opposite is the case. Biblical orthodoxy is winning converts while churches that have lost their biblical moorings languish.(I hope all non biblical churches close down and stop wasting people's time)

This shift of Christianitys "center of gravity" is also a reminder to Western Christians that we are not the whole show, and we have to start thinking differently about ourselves. We are part of a much larger community: the worldwide Church.

Finally, its a sign that, no matter how bad things seem at home, God is at work throughout the world. Everywhere its proclaimed, the Gospel is changing lives and societies.

In this scary new world of globalization one thing remains true: Its Jesus who people of every realm and tongue bless.

Order your copy of The Next Christendom: The Coming of Global Christianity

More from Charles Colson on CBN.com

RE THE WEST BEAR IN MIND THAT DAWINISM AND ITS COLLOLARY ATHEISM HAVE NOW HAD THEIR BRIEF DAY AND THE CHURCH IS RISNG STRONGLY.


IT REMINDS ME OF THAT NOTED ATHEISTS VOLTAIRE WHO PREDICTED THE DEMISE OF CHRISTIANITY. B WHAHAHAHAHAH

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Sept 2014, 12:21
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25 Sept 2014, 12:21#236
Voltaire brings to mind the words of famous atheists last words before dying:
Caesar Borgia: "While I lived, I provided for everything but death; now I must die, and am unprepared to die."

Thomas Hobbs political philosopher "I say again, if I had the whole world at my disposal, I would give it to live one day. I am about to take a leap into the dark."

Thomas Payne [/b]the leading atheistic writer in American colonies: "Stay with me, for God's sake; I cannot bear to be left alone ,  O Lord, help me! O God, what have I done to suffer so much? What will become of me hereafter? "I would give worlds if I had them, that The Age of Reason had never been published. 0 Lord, help me! Christ, help me! …No, don't leave; stay with me! Send even a child to stay with me; for I am on the edge of Hell here alone. If ever the Devil had an agent, I have been that one."

[b]Sir Thomas Scott
, Chancellor of England "Until this moment I thought there was neither a God nor a hell. Now I know and feel that there are both, and I am doomed to perdition by the just judgment of the Almighty."

Voltaire famous anti-christian atheist: "I am abandoned by God and man; I will give you half of what I am worth if you will give me six months' life." (He said this to Dr. Fochin, who told him it could not be done.) "Then I shall die and go to hell!" (His nurse said: "For all the money in Europe I wouldn’t want to see another unbeliever die! All night long he cried for forgiveness."

Robert Ingersoll: "O God, if there be a God, save my soul, if I have a soul!" (Some say it was this way: "Oh God, if there be a God, save my soul if I have a soul, from hell, if there be a hell!!"
David Hume, atheist philosopher famous for his philosophy of empiricism and skepticism of religion, he cried loud on his death bed "I am in flames!" It is said his "desperation was a horrible scene".

Napoleon Bonaparte, the French emperor, and who, like Adolf Hitler, brought death to millions to satisfy his greedy, power-mad, selfish ambitions for world conquest: "I die before my time, and my body will be given back to the earth. Such is the fate of him who has been called the great Napoleon. What an abyss between my deep misery and the eternal kingdom of Christ!”

Sir Francis Newport, the head of an English Atheist club to those gathered around his deathbed: "You need not tell me there is no God for I know there is one, and that I am in His presence! You need not tell me there is no hell. I feel myself already slipping. Wretches, cease your idle talk about there being hope for me! I know I am lost forever! Oh, that fire! Oh, the insufferable pangs of hell! …Oh, that I could lie for a thousand years upon the fire that is never quenched, to purchase the favor of God and be united to Him again. But it is a fruitless wish. Millions and millions of years will bring me no nearer the end of my torments than one poor hour. Oh, eternity, eternity forever and forever!, Oh, the insufferable pangs of Hell!”

Strange how they mocked God all their days and yet this was their experience at lifes end. A sudden conviction of the truth flooded their beings.I shudder to think how Christopher Hitchkin dies. It's a moment when ALL bluster and rants end.They all felt so strong and defiant, their fists raised against the God of heaven maker of all. Strutting their foolish wares and leading others astray."Turn ye turn ye why will ye perish" says the LORD. It is in fact incredible how blindly obstinate these poor atheists are - until the end it seems when they realise the extreme folly of their ways. So haughty and mocking in life - so aware in death that they were WRONG.
Science today is telling all that there was a begining - therefore there was an agent. Information in the universe and fine tuning etc show this agent is way beyond us.The starting point for lost atheists is to realsie these things and their lost estate. 
Hence I appeal to all atheists to stop their absurd ranting and silly bluster, calm down, examine the evidence and start seeking. It could be later than you think. I can think of nothing worse, nothing comes remotely close, to being separated from God. Why would anybody want to be seprated from our loving Father. The mind boggles.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Sept 2014, 12:36
#237
25 Sept 2014, 12:36#237
 Some more detqils of th death of Sir Francis Newport:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GHhtTqtTTo
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
25 Sept 2014, 14:10
#238
25 Sept 2014, 14:10#238
 What is your problem beandipsh!t ? Do you think that anyone is going to say to themselves after seeing all your nonsense " wow! hes really turned around on all my rational fact based science stuff ! I think I will deliberately ignore an Everest of actual .factual peer reviewed science in favour of something beandorks mancrush pseudo proffessor pulled outta his ars.e! yay for religious nonsense !"Does it make you proud [ there you go sinning again ]
Like I said your rubbish has made me absolutely certain I want nothing to do with you and your religion .Or any other religion either ,except maybe being a Pagan that would be cool ......Rooie imagine if you will spending ETERNITY on a cloud playing a farking harp with beandork .......hellish vision isnt it ?
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
25 Sept 2014, 14:11
#239
25 Sept 2014, 14:11#239
 Beans, I have one question.
What happens to a person who has never heard of Christianity when they die? 
The bible clearly states that the ONLY way into heaven is through Jesus Christ.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
25 Sept 2014, 14:15
#240
25 Sept 2014, 14:15#240
 Answer blobok beanhead , go on .What about all the old testament people before jeebus ?Do they get a special section ? 
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