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Referee Review: Spotlight on Joubert

Started by hakwa20 REPLIES726 VIEWS· 29 Jun 2015, 18:17
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
29 Jun 2015, 18:17
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29 Jun 2015, 18:17#1
Referee Review: Was Craig Joubert really the 16th Highlander? 

Saturday was a tough night for poor old Phil Kearns.

His beloved Waratahs were played off the park by the mighty Highlanders, and referee Craig Joubert, if Kearns is to be believed.

Last week we called out Justin Marshall for his commentary because of his lack of knowledge of the laws of the game. (hear that Beeno?) Other than a few laws that Marshall needs to brush up on, he is at least unbiased. (says who?)


Referee Craig Joubert did little to earn fans across the Tasman in the Super Rugby semifinal in Sydney, but in review it appears his calls were mostly right.

Kearns on the other hand bleeds Waratahs blue, or at least green and gold, and he let it get the better of him in the commentary box on Saturday night.


Taking off the green and gold goggles, how did Joubert really do refereeing the Super Rugby semifinal in Sydney?

Hurricanes vs Highlanders:

Aaron Smith try - 18th minute

At first sighting, you have to wonder how Highlanders halfback Aaron Smith could have intercepted the pass from the back of the scrum by Wycliff Palu if he wasn't offside.

On closer inspection, you realise just how quick Smith is off the mark.

When the ball left the scrum, Smith is behind the ball and clearly onside. Even when the ball hit Palu's hands, Smith was still onside, standing behind Waratahs halfback Nick Phipps.

Having read the play so well, Smith sprinted into the path of Palu's pass and took the ball the other way for a try.

Smith was clearly onside, and Joubert was right to award a try.

Richard Buckman try - 32nd minute

When Buckman attacked the line he somehow squirmed his way through three defenders while falling to ground.

He then jumps up, steps another defender and sprints home for a try.

The question is, was Buckman ever tackled?

According to the World Rugby law book, "a tackle occurs when the ball carrier is held by one or more opponents and is brought to ground".

Further to that, "a ball carrier who is not held is not a tackled player and a tackle has not taken place".

Law 15.3 (a) states: "If the ball carrier has one knee or both knees on the ground, that player has been 'brought to ground'."

While Buckman was brought to the ground, when his knees come into contact with the turf the third tackler, Wycliff Palu, has just lost contact with Buckman - therefore Buckman was not held in the tackle.

Because he was not held when he went to ground, a tackle never took place and Buckman was free to jump to his feet and continue running.

Had Palu still been holding Buckman when his knee came to ground, Buckman would have had to release the ball before continuing towards the try line.

Again, Joubert made the right call when he said that Buckman was not held.

Patrick Osborne penalty try - 57th minute

This was the biggest call of the night with Joubert deciding to award the Highlanders a penalty try and yellow card Waratahs flanker Jacques Potgieter.

When Osborne gets within millimetres of the line, Potgieter swings his right forearm into Osborne's head during an attempted tackle.

To start, there is no doubting that Potgieter's tackle was a penalty.

He breaks two of the dangerous play and misconduct laws in the World Rugby law book.

Law 10.4 (e) Dangerous tackling states: "A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the opponent's neck or head is dangerous play."

It also states: "A 'stiff-arm tackle' is dangerous play. A player makes a stiff-arm tackle when using a stiff-arm to strike an opponent."

Tick and tick.

To award a penalty try, Joubert had to decide if a try would have "probably" been scored but for the offending.

When Osborne takes the forearm to his head, his goal of stretching for the line goes out the window. There's nothing like a forearm to the head to change your train of thought.

Joubert decided that had Potgieter not intervened, Osborne probably would have forced the ball over the line, and it's hard to argue with that.

Foul play leading to a penalty try is an instant yellow card, meaning Joubert nailed the call.

 - Stuff

PS Joubert nailed ALL the calls.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
29 Jun 2015, 18:39
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29 Jun 2015, 18:39#2
 Seems like it, but I'll like to have a look at it again before finally endorsing it. The penalty try was spot on though. Donkey Potgieter should also be sited for that!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Jun 2015, 20:29
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29 Jun 2015, 20:29#3
 Hakwa you are leading Draadie astray. The penalty try was ludicrous as you cant have a high tackle when the oak is only a foot or two above ground level - it was a shocking decision and little wonder all the booing  
Its also no use at all the twit writing the article giving examples of some correct decisions by ou Craig and not mentioning the erros he made. Its called biased reporting and was probably the fiendish work of some kiwi mong!!!!!!!
Hakwa please refrain from posting dubious articles  on the board and of course misleading pictures and the like. 
Thanks
Bee no calling the straying hacked waaaagh to account 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
29 Jun 2015, 20:59
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29 Jun 2015, 20:59#4
 Beenz, it was the leading stiff arm that did the damage.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Jun 2015, 21:40
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29 Jun 2015, 21:40#5
 Poor Potty was merely trying to get his arm underneath the guy. Swing arm my foot Draadie. It was a shocker by wee Craig who caved into his kiwi inclinations!! Poor Phil Kearns and the Oz fans.
Take it from Beeno the one who knows.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
30 Jun 2015, 02:44
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30 Jun 2015, 02:44#6
 haahahahahahahahaha - it was sweet Beeno watching Skelton and Potgieter getting their just deserts. The Highlanders ignoring their off the ball plays but smashing them everytime they get the ball. Watching Potgieters face on recieving the yellow card was priceless  - he thought the Sydney crowd and George would save him LOLS - these were probably the thoughts going through his mind "surely you are not brave enough to yellow card me in Sydney Joubert?", "but you let us get away with it last year Joubert?", "Phil Kearns save me".

Funny cringeworthy moments of the game
1. Skelton thrusting his hands towards the Highlander players immediately to be shaken after the final hooter. Whats the rush?
2. Paddy Ryan running onto the field and attempting to "give me 5" with Hooper who brushed him off in an irritatable manner to the side.
3. Potgieters rabbit in the headlight gaze on recieving the yellow.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
30 Jun 2015, 04:42
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30 Jun 2015, 04:42#7
 The only time Joubert has had a crook game is when he's let the braying donkeys get to him ,he is far and away one of the best refs going .Notice Saders fans arent still carrying on about last years final ? Bet the Tahs fans and beandik will be talking about it till they cark it ! Hawa Brother indeed it was sweet eh ? I like how Lard Lad Skelton made ZERO contribution apart from sucking most of the oxygen out of the stadium ! And of course Skelton is useless in a line out ,has anyone ever seen a house sized hippo leap in the air ? [ apart from Disneys Fantasia !] And those shameful tears of frustration of boof head kearns would be worth bottling ! And even better that ars.e beandoof once again backs another loser complete with little piggy squealing ! Priceless !
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jul 2015, 18:14
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01 Jul 2015, 18:14#8
 Cloudy, pardon my saying so, but humble my arrrs! I have yet to see a humble man don a whistle on a rugby field. He is probably the best ATM, but he acts like he's sure of it. He is doing a fine job though and must get recognition for it. Might not be a bad bloke in person, but that's not a requirement for reffs anyway.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jul 2015, 09:08
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02 Jul 2015, 09:08#9
 Cloudy
Joubert is by some distance the best referee in world rugby at present.   Beeno blamed him for the AB's win in the WC final in 2011 - hence his dislike of Joubert.   I think he has a poor case in that respect.   If there were a mistake with that penalty kick that decided the match outcome - it was made by the line-judges - not by Joubert.   He also does not like what happened in certain matches Joubert reffed games involving the Stormers.
I do not think that Joubert is faultless - all humans make mistakes - but he is at least prepared to be a man and admit mistakes afterwards.   I have a very high opinion of him as a referee and I think Beeno is dead wrong in this case.    
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
02 Jul 2015, 10:17
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02 Jul 2015, 10:17#10
@Mike. Beeno's dislike for Joubert stems from the 2010 S14 final. Ask him. Same game that earned Schalk Burger the nickname Sulk Burger.

@Cloudy. Steve Walsh was not that bad, IMO. He, at least paid the players a lot of it respect. I cannot remember him being rude to any player and he also listened to what a captain had to say without talking down on anybody. Yes, he was a bit of a showman at times but so be it, but so be it.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Jul 2015, 12:37
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02 Jul 2015, 12:37#11

 Steve Walsh was an asshole as a Ref. It prompted a "Best decision he ever made" comment from Tiaan Straus when he announced his retirement.


He unashamedly hated South African players and teams.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Jul 2015, 12:52
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02 Jul 2015, 12:52#12

I'm not sure if he's ego was a problem, to be honest I always  believed he was incompetent, it's interesting to know that Strauss thought so as well.



Someone once told me he decided to move away from NZ because he had a drinking problem.....probably explains why he made so many crap decisions.....he must've been pissed most/all of the time.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Jul 2015, 13:14
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02 Jul 2015, 13:14#13

Ag Cloudy, it sounds like  a moerse lot of kak to me.....the ass -hole was was an incompetent finish and klaar, let's not over analyze. 


Glad his gone, the game is healthier for his departure.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Jul 2015, 13:40
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02 Jul 2015, 13:40#14
 Walsh was good in the last couple of years. And Claudy,  I was pulling your socks a bit re Joubert. All reffs are doing a thankless job and get hammered by the public when they get it wrong. I think more can be done to assist them in being more consistent, but that's another story.
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
02 Jul 2015, 14:03
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02 Jul 2015, 14:03#15
Craig is an old boy of my old school and although I don't know him personally I know some who do...he matriculated in 1994 , much after I did but some of my younger colleagues know him well.

His dad, Des was also a coach who encouraged Craig to take up refereeing which he did...he has refereed games at his old school to micro minnow games in Mexico and eventually a world cup rugby final in NZ.

Ol Mike is right, he's not perfect but as perfect as is humanly possible...the best ref in the world, a very likeable character who we are proud of and what's more important a man of incredible integrity.
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
02 Jul 2015, 14:53
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02 Jul 2015, 14:53#16
 Cloudy that is it...all great men are humble...this contaminated world props/elevates pride... it is better to give than receive...instead of , what you sow in life you always reap... the modern version of this is not so accurate and a very much weaker adage...what goes around comes around.

We have seen Jerry Collins laid to rest...Jerry was a great All Black but loved rugby so much and was giving and humble enough to share his rugby with a humble team in Bath.

Craig has the willingness to ref small games and done it well to be respected..ultimately receiving bigger accolades. Maybe it is very simple...these guys just love the game and are givers.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Jul 2015, 16:44
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03 Jul 2015, 16:44#17
 Heard a story about hiding in the air-ducts of a hotel to spy on a women's bathroom, high on coke or something, while still reffing in NZ. Just a silly rumor, but funny as hell all the same. Like I said, I liked him in his later career. All the best to him in his life after being a top reff.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
05 Jul 2015, 02:43
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05 Jul 2015, 02:43#18
 Craig was one of the touch judges yesterday in Landers vs Canes and again he was brilliant in helping Jaco. Hats off to you Sir.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Jul 2015, 06:32
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05 Jul 2015, 06:32#19
 hakwa
Is the Hurricanes asking for a referee review on Peyper yesterday or is that left to the silly Aussies to ask for?   
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
05 Jul 2015, 06:38
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05 Jul 2015, 06:38#20
 I know what you are alluding t o Mike and Jaco made the right decision to ask for the Video ref assistance.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
05 Jul 2015, 13:14
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05 Jul 2015, 13:14#21
 Strange innit how Canes fans are'nt gnashing their teeth and wailing  complete with the saddest sourest of tears but I suppose we best leave that to the likes of  philbilly  [ not worthy of an upper case "K" ]  kearns .
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