12 Feb 2014, 14:00#81
Nee poepol, you chose to ignore the fact that Aus was absolutely below full strength (not on par as per their usual) in that particular test. Had you acknowledged that, you would have had to acknowledge that Goosen was shining in a below strength Aussie side and that does not suit your agenda. Now run along and find something else to talk crap about.
In any case, you couldn't figure out how to pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2014, 14:02#82
You Dutchmen seem a little confused as to what constitutes a beating......I take it that's why you lot propagated the apartheid system ......was that a victory in your eyes to?
12 Feb 2014, 14:13#83
Ahh I see that you have now lost the rugby issues and try to use lame political shit to try and make a comeback. How weak is that? Fok, but you are a laugh a minute jou onnosel soutpiel.
I don't think that you are stupid, though. I just believe that you have bad luck when thinking.
CWcwvdmerwe
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12 Feb 2014, 14:15#84
Hahaha! Alweer maak jy jou naam gat. Ek was inderwaarheid 'n anti-apartheids aktivis. Maar ek weet die feit dat jy so ernstige vooroordeel het teen Afrikaanssprekendes is 'n natuurlike uitvloeisel van jou inherente rassisme.
12 Feb 2014, 14:21#85
cwvdmerwe, I'm thinking you've forgotten the Goosen try that got disallowed. Australia, even at that time, were still a good team, they managed a good EOYT and they beat SA in the first leg and pushed the AB's in the Bledisloe cup. Also if you use stats, I'm not going to believe then unless you reference the place where you got them as there's a huge chance that you've made them up. Might want to watch the Australia game again, Goosen was a wizard, I'll provide you a link if you want and a heads up that Goosen get's subbed somewhere near the 60th minute.
Don't worry guys, Sun-Tzu isn't fooling anyone except the people that have always been naive to the fact of Morne Steyn.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2014, 14:23#86
Vlag, because you and Dutchie declare that I have lost the rugby debate......I take it that your dumb words are gospel huh?
I know you Dutchies like a little chest beating........but this really does take the cake.
How on earth you can be stupid enough to declare that you have won this one is beyond me for any idiot who implies that an Oz side is of no real challenge is debate ending in itself
I dont think you Dutchies know exactly how stupid you are.
Yeah van I believe you were an anti apartheid activist as much as I believe Jim Morrison is still alive.........you epitomise a conservative Dutch prick.......and please dont ask me why......its blatantly obvious........but here is a hint 'English'
CWcwvdmerwe
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12 Feb 2014, 19:28#88
"Yeah van I believe you were an anti apartheid activist as much as I
believe Jim Morrison is still alive.........you epitomise a
conservative Dutch prick.......and please dont ask me why......its
blatantly obvious........but here is a hint 'English'"
You have only been able to prove your level of prejudice. You clearly make assumptions based on language, culture and on a balance of probabilities, religion and race too. Placing people into your preconceived boxes based on a single aspect.
I am proud of my second language, and therefore will use it especially when dealing with a prejudiced prick like you... and I know it pisses you off.
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
12 Feb 2014, 20:23#89
Well Shezza, provide the evidence. Unless of course you are going to use the argument "I don't need to", you know, the cop out. I did my part but you have drawn a blank, exactly as predicted. But cobtinue to get personal, no bother to me.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2014, 20:53#90
Dutchie you know fuck all about me and that's the way it will remain.......second language my arse.......sounds about as credible as your activism.......maybe I should add habitual liar to your glittering credentials........keep paddling Dutchie.......and don't forget to pick up those stones
12 Feb 2014, 20:58#91
Personal? Don't lie and morph what I say. I've barely said anything personal to you. Okay, but you're going to have to skip ahead a bit as it's a long video and
12 Feb 2014, 20:59#92
Skip to 37:30 and watch onwards for a minute or two.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Feb 2014, 21:07#93
Take a look at the YouTube Goosen tribute. Much of the action comes from his school days. There is the try where he hurt his shoulder, the long penalty a fabulous drop and the break vs Oz where he was put away by Louw committing his marker.
Based just on that, the Goosen hype is paper thin.
12 Feb 2014, 21:20#94
So him leading the super rugby points score third of the way in the comp in 2012 is paper thin? Yeah sure, good one. Biased.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Feb 2014, 21:27#95
Have you looked at the video and considered the assertion....or just rejected it?
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2014, 21:34#96
Man watching that again reminds me just how good Goosen is.....a 10 who looks to attack and who asks questions of the defence.........with ball in hand you expect things to happen with this lad at 10.......there was so much attacking energy in that Bok backline that day.
He has a great eye for space.....either attacking it himself or putting player into space with great touches
CWcwvdmerwe
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12 Feb 2014, 21:54#97
"Skip to 37:30 and watch onwards for a minute or two."
Haha yeah. The play where Alberts was at flyhalf!
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
13 Feb 2014, 10:27#98
"Man watching that again reminds me just how good Goosen is.....a 10 who
looks to attack and who asks questions of the defence.........with ball
in hand you expect things to happen with this lad at 10.......there was
so much attacking energy in that Bok backline that day." - Saffex
So now we've heard that Goosen got the backline going. There are few specifics that I wan t to bring to light, viz. that Goosen was heralded for his ability to play flatter than Morné, that he could fix his man and create space and that he was a devastating runner ball-in-hand. In the following video we have every attacking movement involving the Goose. I would like you to pay particular attention to the defenders opposite Goosen and the advance of the defensive line upon the outside backs. Note how the drift progresses unchallenged and how deep Goosen is. No doubt some of his admirers will counter in saying he was just following orders; he does however play exactly the same way for the Cheetahs. The hallmark of their game not being Goosen's individual brilliance, but rather their work off the ball in supporting the ball-carrier, the involvement of their forwards in a very wide attack pattern and lots of deception at pace. When isolating the individual I just don't see any advantage playing Goosen instead of Morné, Lambie or Jantjies I'd even select Butch ahead of him. But, I'm not saying Goosen is good for nothing. The one successful break he did make (1/3 thus far) did demonstrate his open field running. I think he could be a fullback for the Boks. But that lad at the Sharks looks very promising indeed. My prediction: Goosen will not make it, by this time next year we will be talking of another rising star.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 10:45#99
What that shows is just how good he is at getting his backs moving......as I said he either attacks space himself as he showed with his two breaks in that game or he puts his backs into space.........where he stands flat or deep is the call of the coach.......but he asks questions of the defence.........what the outside backs do with the ball is not down to him.........there is nothing more a 10 could do other than attack space yourself or distribute as Goosen did well in that game.
Modern test match defences are so structured, so I am not sure what you expect these outside backs to do once Goosen has passed the ball.......damn right that the defences will be in place to counter most attacks.......its called rugby!!!!!
Goosen was 100 times better in that game than Morne has EVER been for the Boks
Goosen has already made it......if he gets through the S15 injury free he will walk the Bok 10 starting spot as Meyer will have remembered the test above and exactly what this kid has to offer over the ponderous plodder who is Morne
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
13 Feb 2014, 10:56#100
When playing deep to get the ball wide, Goosen did nothing better than Morné; at best they were about the same. Goosen however never likes to operate close to the gainline, never fixes any defenders. He is a robot. As per depth, width? That's a key role of the flyhalf, he decides! Goosen did absolutely nothing. In fact, one break was good and another move where he got the ball out to Habana was initially good until that horrible high and slow pass. No Saffex, Goosen brought nothing to the table. His decision making was worse then that of Lambie and he had zero impact in all contact situations. Just another over- hyped, average kid.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 11:13#101
Wrong, lying flat or deep is the call of the coach for goodness sake.........bloody hell that is obvious. Goosen brought plenty to that game as has been widely acknowledged.......he ignited his backs and he varied the depth at which he took the ball......take his first mini break where he was lying flat.........the difference between this kid and useless Morne is that he is able to attack space himself.......much like a Carter or Cooper do........thats what we want from our Bok 10.
If Goosen stays injury free he will go down as our best 10 since readmission.....his only challengers are Honnibal, Stransky and Butch......he will walk it
STSun-Tzu
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13 Feb 2014, 11:18#102
Goosen is not even remotely as useful as Cooper. Not that Cooper is anything to write home about either! Goosen flumped Saffex. Your 10 is a decision maker for a reason, and the alignment is his call. As I say he carried these things over from the Cheetahs. Goosen attacked with 3 runs and only 1 succeeded, that his test credentials thus far. And that one break was the result of a defender not doing his job and watching Louw get tackled, leaving the gap in the first place. How about those hospital passes to Taute? And of any successful attacking movement by the Boks? He simply wasn't a part of it. You are as desperate as Michael.
STSun-Tzu
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13 Feb 2014, 12:04#105
Michael, you speak with quite a lot of authority for someone who has never even played the game. Perhaps you were a cheerleader? But then you are rather on the negative side.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 12:06#106
No Sun, he did anything but flump.......the accolades after that performance were loud and clear and richly deserved.......your anti speaks volumes for your rugby ignorance......and its not a one off.......the same applies to your calls on Lambie, Jean as a wing, Bismark, JJ etc.......its all so off reality its quite laughable and serves only to discredit you as a rugby man.
Its one thing to have marginal takes on players but yours are so extreme.....it is beyond comprehension that anyone can find favour in an ordinary player like Morne and discredit a class act like Goosen.
As for Cooper, he is just pure class.......I'd have Cooper with his hands tied behind his back ahead of a player like Morne
CWcwvdmerwe
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13 Feb 2014, 12:09#107
Daar! Gaan maak jou naam gat!
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 12:16#108
Look here you dumb fuck.......we all know Morne can kick........just a pity he can't do anything else......in a career over 10 years all we get is a few passes, a few flops over the tryline and wow two mini breaks against Fiji and Italy
All we saw was kick, kick, kick, kick........pathetic
Try again.....seeing my gat......yeah right......was I meant to be impressed by all that, huh????
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 12:28#111
No Carter is my first choice but very closely followed by the very impressive Cooper
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
13 Feb 2014, 12:50#112
Typical, the cop out. When the going gets tough, get personal and provide nothing. Something of the hypocrite eh Mikey?
STSun-Tzu
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13 Feb 2014, 12:54#113
"Its one thing to have marginal takes on players but yours are so
extreme.....it is beyond comprehension that anyone can find favour in an
ordinary player like Morne and discredit a class act like Goosen."
Really? You are telling me Morné has done NOTHING in all his tests, but I am extreme? You don't even provide evidence. What you have been bleating thus far has been easily debunked. You are the extremist here.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 13:01#114
Morne has offered nothing more than a great boot......he has been a liability to the Boks and his record as a Bok proves that.......debunked my arse.....you have not even come close.
No-one rates Morne outside of the Bulls fraternity.......which of course includes Meyer........the Kiwi's dont.......my Pom mates scratch their heads at his inclusion.......he is not rated as a player at all.......he is highly rated as a kicker though......but that is where it ends
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
13 Feb 2014, 13:08#115
I couldn't care less about your mates or anyone else. I deal with the finer details, not perceptions or fanciful ideals. Goosen has been shown up as inferior, Lambie has been shown up as inferior. The Boks were fine last year with Morné who did the Boks good, something you stated was impossible before last season. Your extremes are letting you down. You have been well and truly routed. A little tip, if you find yourself in agreement with Michael, it's time to take a long hard look at yourself.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Feb 2014, 10:38#118
Sun with all due respect your dealing with the finer details leaves allot to be desired......I'm afraid that given your poor take on players, I just cant take you that seriously and I mean that sincerely.......your takes are on a par with CleanCut or Beeno on Matfield...................so far from reality its laughable......Goosen a fullback, Jean a wing.......come on!!!!!
14 Feb 2014, 10:41#119
"- to the crowd booing him at PE -"
Some of the best Springbok players have been subjected to being booed by crowds. Percy and Calla Scholtz were booed at Loftus, Habana was booed in Bloem, Morne was booed in PE............
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Feb 2014, 10:42#120
Dutchie we have watched the video you thick prick........and try get your facts straight Dutchman........I have only been positive about Frans and Alberts.....do you think that by lying you somehow add weight to your argument??????
