CWcwvdmerwe
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14 Feb 2014, 11:15#121
Saffex,
Comprehension is not your strong point.... I replied to Mike and said, referring to Mike... "...and in your case we can add "sloth" Alberts and Frans Steyn."
So that did not refer to you at all...
Glad to be of service!
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Feb 2014, 11:24#122
Well done Dutchie, I'll give you that one.........my mistake, I do tend to skim your shit
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
14 Feb 2014, 12:10#123
"Sun with all due respect your dealing with the finer details leaves
allot to be desired......I'm afraid that given your poor take on
players, I just cant take you that seriously and I mean that
sincerely.......your takes are on a par with CleanCut or Beeno on
Matfield...................so far from reality its laughable......Goosen
a fullback, Jean a wing.......come on!!!!!"
Saffex, I'm by no means perfect, but I can open my eyes and see. The videos bare out quite emphatically that you are wrong. Everything I have read from you about Steyn, Goosen and Lambie has been incorrect. Your take on most players is flawed; you can pick out promising youngsters, but seniors? Not quite. What good is a 10 who is dominated in every contact situation and is targeted extensively? Obviously, moving him to fullback where he can enter the line safer and his boot can be of use. Jean has never been a great 12, but is a wing in the mold of Pietersen. In fact, Jean, JPP and JJ are almost the exact same type of player and all three have not delivered as they should at centre. But I suppose you probably backed the call for JP at 13 and claimed it a success. Would be consistent with your take on things.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Feb 2014, 12:57#124
Sunshine, so just because you say that the video's disprove me emphatically, I should concede to your superior knowledge?
I keep telling you, your takes on that footage is a load of rubbish.......no more so than Goosen being dominated in the contact situation and apparently targeted in your view.......what absolute rubbish.
Effectively you are implying that Morne somehow does a better job physically which in itself is a joke and quite insulting to a rugby follower who has witnessed Morne shying away from the physical stuff all his life........the guy is a complete liability in the contact situation......something that has never been raised when it comes to Goosen. The fact that Morne weighs all of 2kg more than Goosen and looks allot softer further throws your theory down the tubes.
As I keep saying, Goosen is our best 10 prospect since readmission, is twice the player Morne is and for that simple reason will NEVER move to fullback.....no-one would ever be that stupid to suggest such a move - its just plain stupidity.
Jean a wing is another pathetically out of touch call.....he is anything but a JP. Jean has never had the raw pace required of a wing and his software has always been perfectly suited to 12.......great rugby brain, eye for a gap, physicality, good hands and has always run great lines. Jean as been our best 12 since readmission.......only Frans could challenge him had he been around more.
Name a better SA 12?
Your takes on Goosen and Jean are piss piss poor
14 Feb 2014, 18:38#128
Hopelessly under strength? It still featured most of their best players, minus Cooper, Genia and Horwill (I don't rate Horwill but some do). Also they still had Sharpe which strengthens the Aussie team.
15. Barnes 14. Dom Shipperly 13. AAC 12. Pat McCabe 11. Digby Ioane 10. Beale 9. Phipps
8. Samo 7. Hooper 6. Dennis 5. Sharpe 4. Douglas 3. Alexander 2. Polota-Nau 1. Robinson
This Aussie team would only lose to SA and NZ, it would beat all others.
14 Feb 2014, 19:25#129
Barnes got injured early in the game in Pta, as did Ioane. There were other injuries during the game as well. And then there was the yellow card as well. There is no way that the Aus Brisbane team was on par with the Aus Pta team. In any case, these were the two team that we faced in 2012:
Kurtley Beale
FB
Berrick Barnes
FB
Dom Shipperley
W
Dom Shipperley
W
Adam Ashley-Cooper
C
Adam Ashley-Cooper
C
Berrick Barnes
C
Pat McCabe
C
Digby Ioane
W
Digby Ioane
W
Quade Cooper
FH
Kurtley Beale
FH
Will Genia (c)
SH
Nick Phipps
SH
Benn Robinson
P
Benn Robinson
P
Tatafu Polota-Nau
H
Tatafu Polota-Nau
H
Ben Alexander
P
Ben Alexander
P
Sitaleki Timani
L
Kane Douglas
L
Nathan Sharpe
L
Nathan Sharpe (c)
L
Dave Dennis
F
Dave Dennis
F
Michael Hooper
F
Michael Hooper
F
Radike Samo
N8
Radike Samo
N8
Saia Fainga'a
H
Saia Fainga'a
James Slipper
P
James Slipper
P
Scott Higginbotham
N8
Rob Simmons
L
Liam Gill
L
Liam Gill
N8
Nick Phipps
SH
Brett Sheehan
W
Mike Harris
C
Mike Harris
C
Anthony Fainga'a
C
Anthony Fainga'a
C
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Feb 2014, 19:28#130
Hopelessly under strength opines the windpomp. Bwahahahahahahahahaha
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
15 Feb 2014, 10:22#131
They claim Australia were something special that day because it means - in their minds - that Goosen won a mighty test all by himself; akin to how Morné slayed New Zealand with a record 31 point haul. Never mind the fact that this 2nd place team in test rugby only had a 52% win percentage under Deans at that time! Now, onto the injuries. Yes Australia suffered a few injuries before the game, and during it; ending with 14 men for the last ten minutes or so, where they actually dominated us. But this is besides the point. Did Goosen positively affect a challenging test? No, but then he never affected any test in a positive way. The video bares that out, Goosen was little in any successful attacking movement. He failed to do everything that we heard he did. Why? Because of bias. It's like 2008; the Boks beat Australia in record fashion, Nokwe gets 4 tries, and then the common not so bright man identifies that something different occurred. Nokwe's tries were obviously that difference, so he must be the reason why; so we don't need Habana anymore. That thinking never changes in South Africa and the journos feed off of it. But what does that matter. The real reason why we won the this 2012 test was because we actually dominated the scrums this time around, we dominated the collisions, with the exception of Goosen and owned the breakdown. The rest was mostly genius of Habana.
MDMonkey D Luffy
Pro6,277 posts
MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
16 Feb 2014, 15:58#132
@shazzzzzzzzzza,
"My bad, I got Greyling mixed up with Louw, but that
doesn't help your argument as it just highlights the point of Greyling
making the mistake with the terrible attempt of a tackle."
yes, it was ur bad, shame on u but why would u want to continue shaming ur self by trying to make excuses for it???
i mean mistaking grey for louw???understandable, Bok loosies always look like front row props when playing the vastly superior spartan All Blacks.
"The other
supporting player I saw in the frame must've been Alberts. In fact on
further watching the gap wasn't that big,"
oh so the other person in the frame was alberts??? the other supporting player was flip.
if u dont the difference bewteen flip and alberts, and saying such kak as greyling was already at the ruck , is it unreasonable for me to tell u to shut up when u say the gap wasnt that big???
no offense intended, but if u got it worng the firt 1000 times, theres a real good chance that pattern of always getting it wrong is continuing
"Greyling should have made his
tackle. Goosen's fault, No, but I'll admit the chance of preventing the
try would have been higher had he stayed there as he is solid in defence
unlike Morne. Also in addition, Aaron Smith stepped Greyling and went
on the outside of him, so the gap played very little part in it except
highlighting Greylings poor defence."
to continue to blame greyling who did his best to cover for goosens blunder shows just how one eyed u really are.
aaron
smith saw goosen run away, greyling who was almost 5 meters away ran
desperately to to cover the fringe of that ruck cos goose had just for
God knows why run away, and u blame greylings poor attempt of a tackle???
the only poor attempt of anything i see here is ur one eyed explanation.
"And
that long winded response on how you have to shower after because you
find something so stupid, it's an honest mistake that people make,
mixing up players."
save ur excuses for getting ti wrong all the time for someone who gives a poo.
"I'm sure you've made the same mistake and will again
in the future. You can be sure I will pounce on the opportunity to
remind you this."
ooooooh shazzzzzzza threats???? i like this guy, where has he been hiding???
hey, i wish u all the best in ur endevours, :o)
"FYI Pienaar had plenty of time to return of time to return from the ruck, but he just stood there and watched the try unfold."
FYI ur still stupid.
lets face it, u didnt even know pienaar made the tackle leading up to the ruck before the goose blunder until i mentioned it.
but its not about me always teaching u, its about pointing out that ur saying pienaar had plenty of time to get back into place???
- pienaar makes a tackle on corey jane who had just beaten goosens weak tackle attempt
- the goosen blunder ruck occurs roughly 10 meters away from where pienaar just made the tackle on jane
-7 seconds pass from the time pienaar makes the tackle, to when aaron smith gets the ball and darts off
and ur trying to say that pienaar had plenty of time to get back into place???
FYI im within my rights to say ur still stupid,
LMFAO,
16 Feb 2014, 16:29#133
Sas, stop nit picking which player is which. It doesn't detract from the point of Greyling's defence, he wasn't 5m from Aaron Smith when he made his break as he made contact with him, so you think Greyling's arm is 5m long good one. If Goosen had time to reach the ruck where Smith sniped from then so did Pienaar, even if he tackled someone he wasn't stuck in the ruck.
What I consider a defensive blunder is Barrets try at Ellis park, where Morne could've prevented.
MDMonkey D Luffy
Pro6,277 posts
MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
17 Feb 2014, 15:39#134
@shazzzzzzzzza,
" Sas, stop nit picking which player is which. It doesn't detract from the point of Greyling's defence,"
its not nit picking, its calling it like it is. it is the minimal amount acceptable on the barometer in which ur credibility of understanding the situation can be judged.
if u cant do something as simple as not confusing flip with alberts or grey;ling with louw, how the F can u and ur two bit bob opinion on anything else regarding that situation be taken seriously???
if u want me to stop nit picking, then get ur facts right and show me u know what u talking about.
"It doesn't detract from the point of Greyling's defence, he wasn't 5m
from Aaron Smith when he made his break as he made contact with him, so
you think Greyling's arm is 5m long good one"
all u do is show u have no understanding of the situation, cos i never once said greyling was 5 meters away when smith made his break, this is what i said,,,
"aaron smith saw goosen run away, greyling who was
almost 5 meters away ran desperately to to cover the fringe of that
ruck cos goose had just for God knows why run away, and u blame
greylings poor attempt of a tackle???"
the bottom line im making notend also in my other posts where im schooling u, is that greyling who did miss the tackle, was put in a no win situation, thanks to goosen.
greyling was not at fault, goosen was.
"If Goosen had time to reach the ruck where Smith sniped from then so did
Pienaar, even if he tackled someone he wasn't stuck in the ruck."
OMG i need another F-ing shower, thanks shazzza,
so ur saying that if goosen can reach the ruck (aka goosen blunder ruck) which was formed right beside him when conrad smith was tackled, then pienaar who made a tackle less then 5secs earlier on corey jane 10 meters away, should have been able to make that ruck as welll???
bravo shazzzzzzza, there are not many arguments ive come across that had as little thought put into it like that.
something tells me that if pienaar was a cheetah, u wouldnt be so quick with ur R-tard comments
"What I consider a defensive blunder is Barrets try at Ellis park, where Morne could've prevented."
what i consider a defensive blunder is ur arguments defending goosens and his actions which led to the aaron smith try.
17 Feb 2014, 15:51#135
This argument isn't going to achieve anything, you're just set against Goosen just like Sun-Tzu.
MDMonkey D Luffy
Pro6,277 posts
MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
17 Feb 2014, 18:28#136
@shazzzzzzzzza,
"This argument isn't going to achieve anything, you're just set against Goosen just like Sun-Tzu."
im not surprised to see u finally quit after having every argument shot down with an ammo of factual information, and not ur imagination.
but heres what i said to u on this thread regarding goosen,,,,
RE: Rugby Championship 2012 - Johan Goosen Defence
February 11, 2014, 18:54:00
@shazzzzzzzzzza,
now before i
continue with my attack on all things stupid, i want to point out that
ultimatley, i am pro goosen over morne any day of the week, hell i am
pro empty packet of chips over morne any day of the week.
as i
have said many times in the past, goosens potential is through the roof,
but he hasnt come close to living up to those expectations on test
level, but that Bok/wally test in SA back in 2012 was pretty damn
classy.
ultimately i would select goosen ahead of morne every
day, as morne in the Boks is on of many factors for the All Blacks
continuing dominance over the springless Boks.
put as much as i
rate and like goosen, it dosent mean im going to turn a blind eye when
he does F up like he did with aaron smiths try in the dunedin test.
i have nothing against goosen and my comments on him have always been very positive, but unlike u i wont make shit up, ignore facts and act like goose is as u put it, the man who lays golden eggs.
all im saying is that the events leading up to aaron smiths try was goosens fault and in this whole thread i have 100% shut down every argument u have tried to make in the matter, cos ur just one eyed as they come in all things goosen.
every argument u have had has now been diluted to the pint where all u can say is, im anti goosen.
and no im not surprised to prove u wrong there either, :o)
17 Feb 2014, 19:41#137
I'm not biting, I can sit here and argue all day. There's nothing to gain here, it's all opinion.
All you've done is further my opinion that your opinion means squat and you're aim here is to argue.
MDMonkey D Luffy
Pro6,277 posts
MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
19 Feb 2014, 14:19#138
@shazzzzzzzzza,
" I'm not biting, I can sit here and argue all day. There's nothing to gain here, it's all opinion. "
u can sit here and argue about what, that greyling was always at the ruck as per ur original argument which u later detracted after i time framed u video evidence courtesy the clip from suintzu???
or
that greyling is louw???
or
that alberts is flip???
or
that if a ruck is formed beside goosen, then pienaar should still be able to get to that ruck, despite just making a tackle seconds ago and over 10 meters away???
no shaazzzzzzzza, u cant argue poo, and im not trying bait u, im just debating with irrefutable facts, while u give ur opinion which defies the all logic in our argument.
ur opinion has been destroyed by the facts, cos ur very biased when it comes to goosen, but hey, ur not the only one to have mad love for an individual which blinds u from the truth, so u can take some comfort from that.
"All you've done is further my opinion that your opinion means squat and you're aim here is to argue."
oh no, what ever shall i do???
lolz,
any time u have a difference in opinion, arguing/debating the matter is one of the main purposes of these threads.
while i admit i could have not made fun of u and ur crispy chicken level intelligence, the real beef u have is that u have not once put in a solid argument based on fact.
ur opinions have been crushed by my vulcan like logic, and thats why it gets to u.
my advice to u, is when u realise ur out ur depth, just walk away, struggling just makes it hurt longer.
alternatively, u could try using facts to back ur arguments, something u never once used, hence me schooling u with more ease then the All Blacks beating the Boks.
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
20 Feb 2014, 11:25#139
Sasuke, what you must understand is that Saffex, CleverMike and Shezza are working backwards. They form a conclusion and then massage the data to suit them; not much unlike corporate backed scientists. So in seeing Goosen leave the ruck fringe exposed, they will immediately and instinctively look for an interpretation that omits him from blame. It's a similar circumstance with Morné; everything is his fault, that is the conclusion, an they weave the mos elaborate delusion to confirm, more to themselves, that this irrationally emotional conclusion is real.
In the ruck exposure I suspect that Shezza doesn't know that at any time in a game, you may be required to take up positions at the rucks. It's the name of the game of broken play rugby. The two positions on either side of the ruck typically being called pillar or guard. Goosen was the first and only defender at the fringe and was by duty supposed to stand watch over that position until a forward came into position, if at all. Shezza will then blame anyone else at the scene of the crime, because 10s aren't supposed to do any tackling (What of the criticism of Morné then? lol).
You will never get through to these people Sasuke, it's all relativism with them, and that's, in my experience, the toughest of all shells to crack. If video evidence won't do it, what will? My intention, as previously stated, was simply to make a demonstration of the bias. You have done your part very well in that regard too. Job done.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Sept 2018, 05:30#143
Hilarious reading......Goosen the mirage that for ever disappears.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Sept 2018, 06:32#148
Those claims have been demonstrated to be nonsense.....unlike the Jessie Japan's swot off...and Duh Allende's Kerevi and Nonu blunders.
