DEDezertFox
Pro2,288 posts
31 May 2015, 00:53#2
Not much happening at 12.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 May 2015, 00:59#3
De Jongh makes 6 clean breaks, gains 89 metres...and Liarmike chooses Vorster.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 May 2015, 02:59#4
Mozart
Lovely selective quote again. De Jongh knocked on 4 balls and made a hash of that one - one ball with a try begging to be scored. BS as per normal from that one. Same as the Jantjies missed penalty kicks in that case. Definitely a real problematic situation, but De Jongh is NOT even close.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 May 2015, 03:02#5
Letrusallbemorons
De Allende beats more defenders in this game than Steyn has beaten in all the games he played in this tournament - so according to you not much was happening at 12. You must be a crazy BSter.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 May 2015, 05:34#6
Ja well Vorster missed 25 per cent of his tackles. De Jongh was the better player on the day.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 May 2015, 05:58#7
Lets face facts - De Jongh was put into space and beat 1 defender in attacking play - but he also buggered up badly by knocking on 4 balls.
The Stormers were up against one of the weakest teams in Super 15 - the Lions were up against one of the Strongest teams in the tournament . Vorster scored what turned out to be the match-winning try against the Waratahs- doing the Stormers a massive favour on the Super 15 log - they may yet end up getting a home semi as a result.
Not even close between Vorster and De Jongh - Vorster is a center against top opposition - De Jongh is a farce against top opposition. Get the message???
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 May 2015, 06:10#8
Ja well Vorster beat no defenders ..not even the powder puff Beale he was playing against. But fortunately Kriel did.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 May 2015, 06:13#9
So is Kriel now the better center?
DEDezertFox
Pro2,288 posts
31 May 2015, 06:58#10
You still don't understand the inside centre Michael, nor how the Stormers are using Damian. That's the crux to your whole argument. He will not prosper at 12 at test level. Playing for Meyer, he will have to function as a hard running power back, not a strike running wing being brought into space out wide.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 May 2015, 08:29#11
Letsal
I perfectly understand the role of an inside center being a hard running power back - and that is exactly what De Allende is. He is stronger and more dangerous in that aspect of the game than a player like Francois Steyn ever was and ever will be.
The question remains - where does he make the line breaks and beat tackles - in the no 12 position where he had the highest tackle beat count of all centers in Super 15. De Allende played the fool with Steyn and Williams in matches where they were his opponents - shrugging their efforts off like they were not there.
What I cannot understand is that you write about the guy rated extremely high as a center and experts calling his physical strength amazing - the best center in Super 15 - and according to you he is not a center at all. That seems to based on the dubious and unproven claim that Steyn is a better 12 than him and in accordance with your prejudice because with him around Steyn has not got a snowballs hope in hell being in the run for selection to the Springbok team.
De Allende used the whole field as a player and he has the ability to do things and look for work everywhere. You obviously miss the strength he shows in ball protection and the fact that he also make turnovers in possession - thus far this year he made 9 turnovers. Both these issues represents something which require physical strength far in excess of what a normal backline player achieves. Steyn made 2 linebreaks in all the matches - De Allende made 11. He made 2 of those in the game where he was opposed by Fransie and in both cases Steyn fell on his backside while trying to tackle him - matter of fact in that game he beat 6 defenders. In that same game Fransie beat no defenders at all. Another indication is that De Allende is rarely tackled by one player - it takes two to three players to bring him down. It happened repeatedly yesterday. Fransie is relatively easy to tackle - because of his deficient speed.
I think it really is time that you forget your prejudice and start giving the player due credit. In the absence of that you are looking more and more silly all the time by repeating things with no real foundation at all.