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Samoa vs ABs

Started by JeromeV14 REPLIES655 VIEWS· 08 Jul 2015, 08:00
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JE
JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
08 Jul 2015, 08:00
#1
08 Jul 2015, 08:00#1

Samoa are always physical, they did put a lot effort into this match however knock ons and off side calls was a on going issue which disrupted their momentum, Fa'osiliva was the stand out player in the team, real talent.

I'm aware that the ABs didn't play at full strength with a few Highlanders and Hurricanes players missing though I excepted better display from the ABs considering the quality of players that were involved, McCaw, SBW and Dagg still looks off pace and out of form, they just failed to impress.

On current form this year my AB's backline for RC would be 15. Ben Smith, 14. Milner-Skudder, 13. Fekitoa, 12. Nonu, 11. J Savea, 10 Sopoaga, 9. Aaron Smith.

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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
08 Jul 2015, 08:09
#2
08 Jul 2015, 08:09#2
 Um yeah nah Mccaw got man of the match lol. So maybe you need to re watch that. SBW did okay. Under those conditions, againgst a physical samoan side. And that was NZ C side, they did really well. Abs always struggle in their first test. Better gauge next Friday againgst Arg. Mccaw still showed he is the best in the buisness, no 7 in the world defends like he does. We do this every year pick players based on super rugby form. I remember everyone wanted sbw, fruean as the centre combo. Look how that turned out. While that backline should be involved. Not in that order.
15. B Smith 14. Skudder 13. Smith 12. Nonu 11. Savea 10. Carter 9. A Smith. Sopoaga? Your dreaming lol. 
JE
JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
08 Jul 2015, 08:27
#3
08 Jul 2015, 08:27#3
You still don't think Sopoaga has been the best NZ fly half this year? It's already been statistically proven mate. The 9 and 10 combination of Aaron Smith and Sopoaga were an integral part of the Highlanders success this year, winning the SR title says a lot about their class, they have been superb.

Conrad Smith at 13? Meh too slow.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jul 2015, 08:55
#4
08 Jul 2015, 08:55#4
 JeromeV
I did not watch the game - but read the following match report:-
"A rusty All Blacks side, battered by bone-crunching tackles, received a pre-World Cup fright when they scrambled to a 25-16 victory over Samoa in their historic one-off Test in Apia on Wednesday.

The steady boot of Dan Carter saved New Zealand as the first match between the rugby-obsessed nations in Samoa produced the closest result of all their six meetings.

The Test was the first of a five-match build-up by the All Blacks before they name a 31-man squad for their World Cup defence starting in England in September.


Close-marking by the powerful Samoans and multiple handling errors by both sides meant the clash never reached the free-flowing heights expected.  The All Blacks were held to 12-3 in the first-half with all the points coming from penalties.  The only tries in the match, scored by All Blacks debutant George Moala and rugged Samoan flanker Alafoti Faosiliva, both came in the second half.


Passions were ignited before kick-off with the All Blacks laying down the challenge with their traditional Haka, or native war dance, and Samoa responding with their fearsome Siva Tau.


But after kick-off the fever rapidly ebbed. New Zealand's set piece appeared to click effortlessly into place with a scrum too powerful for Samoa and several stolen lineouts.

But attempts to run Samoa off the rock-hard ground in the 30 Celsius heat sank beneath a constant wave of close-marking Samoans.


Attempts to change tack with forward drives and a Carter cross-kick to wing Moala failed to breach the Samoans defence.  But as Johnny Leota and Alesana Tuilagi led a hard-charging Samoan defence the penalties flowed when the off-side line was breached.

Carter was able to land four penalties while Tusi Pisi replied with one for Samoa in the only scoring before half-time.


The Carter-Moala routine eventually paid off early in the second spell when the right wing scooped up a cross-kick and ran 30 metres to the line.   Faosiliva's try, 15 minutes from time, was the result of two powerful runs in one move through the flagging All Blacks defence by the Bath loose forward.


Tim Nanai Williams's conversion pulled Samoa within six points of the All Blacks and in sight of a shock result before Carter kicked his sixth penalty late in the game to put the outcome beyond doubt."


The Samoans have always been strong in defense, but their forward pack never was up to standard - so I am not surprised by what I read in the report.


However, one must bear in mind that none of the players of the Highlanders or the Hurricanes - who played in the SR final - were in the team and the AB team would be strengthened by their selection.   


However, on average not a good enough start for the AB's this year and they will have problems when they meet a team with a stronger forward pack.    



JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Jul 2015, 11:55
#5
08 Jul 2015, 11:55#5
Samoa will give some teams a tough game. Good to see that they are getting time to train togeather they will only get better. Incidently they play the Boks in game 15 - they won't be a problem will they?
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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
08 Jul 2015, 12:42
#6
08 Jul 2015, 12:42#6
 Clevermike before you harp on about Abs struggling againgst stronger forward packs (Although that makes no logical sense, considering the abs 99% winning record). It was noted Abs got the better of the Samoans at the breakdown. NZ have the best tight five in the world. Rettalick named best in the world, Abs struggle in the forwards lol. 
@Jerome: Statistically yes. When he has space. But when he doesn't he is non existed, same with Naholo. Test Rugby is not Super Rugby. Smith too slow? Shows what you know. Smith is one of the most intelligent players in the game. Having Speed and Strength, is no subsitute for nous and intelligence, and amazing defense through structures and systems. Would pick Smith over anyone in NZ any day. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jul 2015, 13:13
#7
08 Jul 2015, 13:13#7
 Luke
If it depends on their Tight 5 the AB's will win nothing - they are not good enough.  The saving grace for the AB's have been their loose forwards and their backline dominance that win tests for them.  
In the game this morning the Tight 5 showed some dominance - but will the same lo show anything in tests to come?   They must hope SA selects a Tight 4 combination otherwise the AB's will not make the grade up front.   Meyer is stupid enough to do just that.
    
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
08 Jul 2015, 13:18
#8
08 Jul 2015, 13:18#8
 Wrong again wee mikey ,they are good enough to keep the ABS winning against all comers ,or are you working off the fairy tales in beandorks brain ?The ABS really dont give a stuff about what other teams do and it shows .
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Jul 2015, 14:07
#9
08 Jul 2015, 14:07#9
I will watch the game tonight but I was not surprised by the score. Somoa has some really talented players, a culture that really values rugby. The results will provide them with more motivation to improve. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jul 2015, 14:14
#10
08 Jul 2015, 14:14#10
 Wardad
If you believe the AB Tight 5 is good enough - you are welcome to do so.   However, they are NOT in my book and the reason why the opposing teams is that they do not use the good balls they get properly - their backlines and consequently ball usage are deficient.  
This happened regularly when the AB's play the Springboks - in virtually all tests the Springboks got 60% of ball possession and the AB's 40%, but the AB's win virtually all the tests.  It is because they have the supreme loosies and backline superiority.
However, the AB's were lucky today because the Samoans do not have the strongest forwards around.   If they were stronger up front - it would have been a different story.
I do not think it was the strongest AB side imaginable.   If I had to choose a team on present performances it would eb the following:-
15   Ben Smith14   Charles Piutau13   Conrad Smith12   Ma'a Nonu11   Savea10   Carter 9   Aaron Smith 8   Read 7   McCaw ( I prefer Savea, Cane and even Todd ahead of McCaw) 6   Kaino 5   Sam Whitelock 4   Retallick 3   ?????? 2   Cole 1   ??????
The props - they are all insufficient and any two would be questionable.      
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
08 Jul 2015, 15:10
#11
08 Jul 2015, 15:10#11
 That tight 5 there isnt our world cup outfit for starters .And we tend to take a more holistic view of our team instead of obsessing about one particular aspect .No team is perfect every where so the ABS make the most of what they have .So long as our scrummaging and line-out achieve rough parity thats all they need .You have pointed it out yourself how despite having so much possesion the boks still get burned .And as is usually the case the ABS do what they need to do to win .Its odd that you saffas have become so obsessed with lumpen forwards dominated play when once upon a far away time ya'll had waseome backline play .But seeing on here how you guys get twisted up over the minutia of events long passed its understandable I guess.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
08 Jul 2015, 15:49
#12
08 Jul 2015, 15:49#12
 @mike,
"in virtually all tests the Springboks got 60% of ball possession and the AB's 40%,"

Wrong, very wrong. The possession the AB had in the last 3 years against the boks:

2012 RC    New Zealand 21 - 11  South Africa     Possession NZ 49%
                 South Africa 16 - 32  New Zealand    Possession NZ 45%

2013 RC     New Zealand  29 - 15  South Africa     Possession NZ 52%
                 South Africa 27 - 38  New Zealand     Possession NZ 42%

2014 RC     New Zealand 14 - 10 South Africa    Possession NZ 61%
                South Africa  27 - 25  New Zealand     Possession NZ 49%

which gives an average 49,67% of possession. This means that both boks and AB had 50/50 possession.
But no matter what the reality is, you'll stick with your tale that the AB tight 5 is BS, specially the props.
Well, the AB tight 5 is the best in the world. Not only because their set pieces are at the same level as the bests (Argentina, England or SA) but also because their all around game is the best by far and here the diference with the bok props , whose all around game is practically non-existant, is huge. If you want to know how the props should play, watch last year's june internationals AB-England. O. Franks and Woodcock gave some masterclasses, specially in the last of the 3 matches ands was recognized by all the analysts.
And the rest of the tight 5 is also btwin the bests. Coles is in the top 3 with du Plessis and Creevy.
Whitelock and Retallick are simply the best 2 locks in the world. Etzebeth was also there untill last year but since his injury he didn't prove that he deserve to be there. With J. Broadhurst (the best lock ball carrier of the last SR) on the bench that AB trio is no doubt the best in the world.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
08 Jul 2015, 16:40
#13
08 Jul 2015, 16:40#13
 What the hell is going on with the people against I. Dagg?
He was injured for most of the SR campaign but everybody wants to crucify him. The whole AB team had a rusty first match of the season and everybody is demanding his, and only his, axe of the team.
Firstly, no conclusions can be made from yesterday's match (except possibly that Samoa is going to be a very hard team coming the WC). Many AB incumbents were missing and, as always, the AB, but all the AB, had a very rusty first match.
And I recomend to everybody who is saying that Dagg lost his mojo to watch the 5 SR games he played this year. He was outstanding, he was at his best form, he was the best saders' backline player. Yes, better even than Nadolo (who got his best form when Dagg was injured).
He was statistically the second best FB, only after Folau.  But stats are not the only measure, while Folau could be the best ball carrier, Dagg's tactically positioning, overall playmaking and specially counterattack playmaking was far better. He's still the best tactical kicker in the world, something very important for a WC.

My AB backline would be:

9. A. Smith         10. D. Carter

12. Ma'a Nonu     13. C. Smith

11. J. Savea         14. B. Smith     15. I Dagg


21. TJ Perenara      22. C. Slade/B. Barret     23.SBW/Naholo
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Jul 2015, 22:40
#14
08 Jul 2015, 22:40#14
 Pap wee abs struggle to beat Samoa! Man, Carter had to score 20 points via the boot for the wee abs to scrape a win! 
I didnt watch the game but it would no surprise that a bent ref gave them many a goalable penalties. Hahahahhahahahaha
Clearly the wee abs lack depth. Wonder how much better their best side is? Not much better I would hazard.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
09 Jul 2015, 01:07
#15
09 Jul 2015, 01:07#15
 Oh looky ,its the only sh!thead around that feels the need to crap on other peoples teams .Must be due to his lack of a p-e-n-i-s .Did you enjoy that "RAW " vs Samoa at the 2011 RWC ars.ewipe ? Only someone who has never played the game would carry on with such arrant nonsense ,and I notice you still wont answer about your never playing Rugby eh fatty ?Moron .
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