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Ah shit, I might have got that wrong, forgot that Matfield will probably return for the Wales game, if so, I am sticking to my original call being that Wales will beat us in the QF

So I retract my statement above and say we will lose the QF as I originally predicted.

But this is only if Matfield is selected ahead of the impressive Lood  

Well difference is, the Kiwi's have two physical locks who are adept at playing the ball, just like Etzebeth, Lood, du Plessis and PSDT are.

Whitelock at 116kg and Retallick at 122kg are hardly little lightweights who don't add muscle to the engine room. Therein lies the difference. Matfield sells us short in the engine room. Is a liability in the scrums, adds to grunt to the rucks or mauls, is not capable of clearing players away or imposing himself physically on the charge or in the tackle.

All he can do is hang about, make the odd open field tackle, join the line and throw a pass, take his share of the line-outs and kick-offs and that's where it ends.

When Lood and Eben run into players, they bust through them or carry them a few yards. When they tackle they smash players backwards......and then you see Lood in full flight with those two breakaway tries he has scored......these kids have it all......physicality and skill......even more so than the Kiwi's

No fucking edit again

Matfield adds NO grunt to the r ucks and mauls 

Bullshit, Retallick is huge and physical at 122kg, stop lying. Brute with plenty of physicality.

Romano is hardly small now is he?

Whitelock at 116kg is hardly small now is he?

DA catch a fucking wake up.....the outcome depends on the 15 selected on the day not the squad of 31 as a whole. Surely that is bloody obvious.

How can I say given the squad selected we can win the WC when that is so dependant on the 15 selected.

Its easy to change ones mind as midway through the WC we still had Jean, Pienaar, Jannie and Matfield playing.....suddenly without these hasbeens, we are looking far better......but hell knows what happens next week when clueless Meyer restores useless Matfield for instance and the wheels come off.

So stop fucking banging on about fronting up when you fucking have 31 variables and only 15 you can select

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 JW

The Selection is the full joke that we had expected and the passengers are all there.  What we can happen is clear - a quicker than expected back trip to SA and the clubs they play for.

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I know what is going to happen in the WC - we will not survive the quarterfinal and the players Mozart will blame will be those who perform better and the real let-downs that he favours will not be mentioned at all by him.      

Hugh Bladen is absolutely right -there are too many over the hill reputation players in the squad and we are going nowhere fast in this WC.         

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September 17, 2015, 20:00:18

The flop of the competition - easy.  Meyer's squad of rugby geriatrics and especially JP Pietersen, Victor Matfield, Willem Alberts, Fourie du Preez and Jean de Villiers - the latter three because of no or very little game time in 2015 and when they did play - they were way below par.

What is absolutely certain is that SA has no chance of being anywhere near to winning the trophy.      

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No but only winning 5 of our last 13 against the major rugby sides is all we need to know in order to conclude that Meyer is utterly useless and that we will exit the WC early thanks to his incompetence.

The issue I have with the Bok side under useless Meyer is that the likes of Kirchner, Mvovo, Fourie, Jean, Morne, du Preez, Pienaar, Heinke, Jannie, Steenkamp, Matfield, Louw and Alberts are not even the second best players in their respective positions and therein lies the issue and the very reason we are utterly useless under clueless Meyer

One would swear Meyer with his pathetic recent record was some kind of credible player assessor.....geez just look at the pathetic squad this clown has come up with.

Kirchner, Mvovo, Jean, Morne, Pienaar, Paige, du Preez, Jannie, Brits, Matfield, Louw, Schalk and Alberts are not even the 3rd best in their respective positions. That's 40% of the squad that sells us horribly short.

It's a pathetic squad picked by a clueless conservative coach.

What part of me saying no we would win did you not get you stupid prick......if you pathetic enough to want a yes or no answer with no qualifications added then my answer is NO - get it.

Nothing has changed dimwit, the squad selected is just as crap as it was when I made the comments above and Meyer is just as useless, in fact he is worse, we lost to Japan.

Actually apologies, the squad has improved......Serfontein for Jean is a big plus.

The only reason I was adamant we would not come close was because at the time, Jean, Pienaar, Jannie and Matfield still featured and lets face it were always going to feature under useless Meyer.....unless a miracle occurred......that miracle has partly arrived.....Matfield and Jannie out for the duration would gives us salvation!!

Hope this clears things up for you, but I suspect not

I made a very clear statement about the issue and yes and no is not the answer.  

if you pathetic enough to want a yes or no answer with no qualifications added then my answer is NO - get it.

Please.... do not say if this particular side, or if this specific player is in the team blah blah blah, because to me that is just your "Out" / "Excuse" if you get it wrong.

Now..... even those who said it was a pathetic side and the Springboks would never get far at all, are now saying only if this player plays, or if this team is selected.

The only reason I was adamant we would not come close was because at the time, Jean, Pienaar, Jannie and Matfield still featured and lets face it were always going to feature under useless Meyer.....unless a miracle occurred......that miracle has partly arrived.....Matfield and Jannie out for the duration would gives us salvation!!

Hope this clears things up for you, but I suspect not

The issue I have with the Bok side under useless Meyer is that the likes of Kirchner, Mvovo, Fourie, Jean, Morne, du Preez, Pienaar, Heinke, Jannie, Steenkamp, Matfield, Louw and Alberts are not even the second best players in their respective positions

Kirchner, Mvovo, Jean, Morne, Pienaar, Paige, du Preez, Jannie, Brits, Matfield, Louw, Schalk and Alberts are not even the 3rd best in their respective positions. That's 40% of the squad that sells us horribly short.

Regardless of whether they are 4th best 10th best or whatever......the measure I am obviously relaying is that they are S  H  I   T

Hope that clears things up for you dimwit.....what a stupid request in the first place......imagine asking a board if the squad chosen can win the WC given the variables involved where only 15 can start a game.

But in case you missed it......in answer to your stupid question - my answer is NO , as it was originally 

 What crap go check out twitter and Facebook.....no - one rates the squad 

Nope Facebook and Twitter represent the voice of the supporters - a million fold more than your worthless survey above.

I'm looking forward to Moz s excuse when we bomb out early...

we can all be proud of? One that represents the 31 best players we have at our disposal.....a squad we feel confident in.....one that would do us proud.

Yeah dumbass..........the squad is made up of 31, if I say 15 should not have been there, that still leaves me with 16......I need 15 on the field.....you work the maths out.

No egg at all, I'm just pointing out how pathetic the nature of your request is......its weak and worthless.

A squad is made up of 31, so how we fare is very dependant on the 15 selected from that 31.....if we selected my 15 we could easily win it......if Meyer selects his 15 we don't have a chance in hell

Its that simple really, but you don't give me that option.....because you are a fool 

15. Willie 14. JP 13. Kriel 12. de Allende 11. Habana 10. Pollard 9. Paige 1. Nyakane 2. Bismark 3. Coenie 4. Etzebeth 5. Lood 6. Kolisi 7. PSDT 8. Vermeulen

Sunshine, do you think that inferences somehow carry weight......I have no issue selecting Habana, would he have been my original choice - no would I potentially select him for the experience factor - yes......but having said that given Habana's form this WC, it looks to me like the old man has something left in his tank.

My calls were made prior to the WC when Habana had not featured much and did nothing of note when he did.

By the way, where did I say that 15 players would not make my squad? Kirchner, Habana, Mvovo, Jean, Morne, du Preez, Pienaar, Paige, Jannie, Brits, Matfield, Schalk, Louw and Alberts make 14......with Serf replacing Jean taking it to 13. Are you lying again?

All three 9's would have featured on my list of non selections, therefore I have no choice but to select one of them, even though 2 are has beens and one at best solid.

The only players that would have made my squad are Willie, JP, Kriel, de Allende, Pollard, Lambie, Beast, Nyakane, Coenie, Malherbe, Bismark, Strauss, Etzebeth, Lood, PSDST, Kolisi and Vermeulen.

I could always live with Schalk and Habana, who have both proven their worth. Serfontein coming in for Jean was a plus for me.

So given my choices, I am left short at 9 and wing really.......but Habana is in business for now.

Reality dictates that du Preez and Schalk would play ahead of Paige and Kolisi, given their lack of game time. With tighthead, I'd risk the gamble of lack of game time ahead of selecting Jannie

No dumbass......the fact that I have to pick a player like Habana whom I rate is hardly going to handicap my side now is it?

I was left dry at 9...........with 13 of my picks on board.....I would have been sailing......it would not have comprised an ideal 15, but 13 I can live with.

Meyers calls on Kirchner, Mvovo, Jean, du Preez, Pienaar, Paige, Jannie, Brits, Matfield, Louw and Alberts were never going to bare fruit during the WC........I cant say the same about Schalk and Habana.....they always had the potential to deliver more.

You don't have a point at all......your pathetic little request is flawed, for limiting our calls to the squad selection as a whole, leaves one out in the cold.

Your only real option is to say we wont get past the QF's if its the squad as a whole we need to make a call on.

However if my side from the squad was selected, I's say we could win the WC without a doubt, but you don't afford me that luxuary.

You have given me nothing.....its still the same stupid question and given its stupidity, my answer remains the same.