Some call him Dud Toit

Uncle, the first thing you need to do before replying to any posts is stop writing as if you’re high on drugs.

Your post is absolute drivel. Instead of rambling because you’re upset, take your time and communicate clearly.

Otherwise, you just come across as a complete fool and discredit yourself.

In your words a Blindside Flanker is essentially a backline player and assists mostly in attack plays, but what about the actual duties of the position?

Are these not important?

- Making hard carries close to the ruck

- Generating go forward ball in tight channels

- Absorbing contact and recycling quickly

- Being effective in collision areas

If a Blindside Flanker isn’t supposed to do these things, who is? The backline players?

Great video. Du Toit is an a time rugby great. Twice World player of the year..

Mampara Plumster tries to back peddle on the issue and tries to claim it's just been banter really as everyone knows how good PSDT is etc.

But his ruse blows up when arch mampara and Gimp Master mozzietard tries for the millionth time to discredit Du Toit. Mampara power jumps in to assist and proceeds to make an ass if himself yet again.

These few member of the MGU have no clue when it comes to judging player or coach ability. They alone in the rugby world are right.

Bwahahahahahaha sidesplitting nonsense from these buffoons.

Mapower

Th e above is important and make up in total less t han 10% of the role of loosies - in essense that is required from the tight 5 players - locks and props in particular. The fact is that the move to use the loosies as supporting backline attacking play. Fact is that Kolisi was asked a similar question during the interview - he asnswered that t is aprt of the game plan - plain and simple,

That explains a lot about the way especially Du Toit plays in tests under the Brown game plan. The rest of the function is linked to defense in both tight five situations as well as opn-field tackling/ For that players needs pace and not the built of Tight five players,

I know what you wrote above was applied religiously by both White and Meyer - with no real effect. In the case of Albets he was 70% useless as a defender especially when it comes to open-field defense and 100% useless when it comes to breakdiwn ball protection and recovery, So is Mostert - a weak defender in traffice and a non-existent defender in open field defense.

As to th e role of loosies nowadays the function of loosies scetres around about the following:-

1. Tight 5 ball caries 10%
2. Conmtribution to backline play and open-filed attacks and defense 50%
3. Breakdiwn ball protection 25%
4. Line out third option - 15%

I have sseen much of the above in tests this year, I previoulsy mentioned that Du Toit played a major role in scoring of 5 backline tries and in teh French test the Frnech got a penalty and took a corner kick - did not work out - Du Toit stole the French throw-in and that was the end of the effort by the French in that test. Fact is that Du Toit in particular is a key factor in line-out play of the Springboks.inclusiv of starting of driving mauls and subsequent tries, .

You obviously will differ - but I always look objevcively to the recent improvement in the team and for that we must point out a lot of examples,

Uncle, I have fine tuned it a bit, but kept most of your percentages:

Tight 5 ball carries 10%. That’s the three props and two locks. They carry in close contact, run straight, absorb hits. Loose forwards can do some of that but they are different.

They are faster, more mobile, can sidestep, they run better in traffic. They are not the same as tight 5 players.

Loose forwards linking with the backline in attack is 40%. How much they do this changes from game to game and depending on the coach’s plan.

We’ve seen players like Peter Stef and Kolisi sometimes go too much into the backline. It slows the ball down and sometimes they get in the way and you lose possession. This has happened many times.

The rest of the loose forward duties is 50%. That’s breakdown protection 25%, line-out option 15%, and carrying in traffic 10%. These are still very important even in modern play.

So yeah, you were trying to say 50% is open field/backline stuff and 50% is traditional duties.

But you do not make the difference between tight 5 style carries and loose forward carrying.

Loose forwards don’t stand in the backline all the time. They have to balance mobility, strength, and position based on the game plan.

Percentages can change a bit, but the main duties stay the same.

And Mampara King, take your medication. Your post is nonsensical noise Bwahahahahahaha...

This AI description of Dud Toit is a perfect summary of the bs that surrounds the Dud:

often topping power rankings due to his immense work-rate, tackling prowess, and game-changing impact

immense work rate….ie he tackles a lot

tackling prowess…..he tackles well close to the breakdown

game-changing impact….ie he tackles a lot.

……. ..

On the other side of the coin…

He can’t or won’t fetch

He isn’t particularly quick to the ruck

He could be a factor at the back of the lineout…but isn’t used much

As a runner he’s as toothless as they come rarely beating tackles and never offloading…maybe he isn’t allowed to do that, but Snyman is?

His work out wide except for rare instances just slows up the backline.

He doesn’t take kickoffs like Vermeulen

………..

‘I see a man who is competent, but not necessarily at the things he is assigned to do. Can raise his game on big occasions, but that amounts to mostly tackling. Is used for some kind of out wide strategy he simply doesn’t have the pace to pull off. Who is our primary forward ball carrier and a poor one. Who has lost key tests by not contesting the ball on the deck.

AI can’t come up with anything exceptional except tackling and that is a scan of the whole literature. I would add to AI’s summary….his best skill is the pick and go, which he does well. And by now just because of all the awards….he has gravitas, a sort of one man haka….if he doesn’t affect they play he may intimidate.

‘And for the record again, I don’t ‘hate’ Dud….he seems like a simple but nice man. I have never seen him do anything unpleasant on the field. His move to flank is hard to judge given our success. But the thing he does well, process tackling, can be done equally well by the number 5 lock as Mostert has shown….that’s his natural position.

What I hate and I simply can’t accept is the brain dead bs that passes for rugby journalism and which has raised PSDT above Kolbe,Etzebeth, Marx, Ox and Vermeulen….players who are/were really the best in their positions.

Mopzart

‘I see a man who is competent, but not necessarily at the things he is assigned to do. Can raise his game on big occasions, but that amounts to mostly tackling. Is used for some kind of out wide strategy he simply doesn’t have the pace to pull off. Who is our primary forward ball carrier and a poor one. Who has lost key tests by not contesting the ball on the deck.

You are a l;iar again. Of the 27 tries scored in the 2024 Du Toit scored two and had a hand in backline tryscorig in 5 cases, But then to ccuse you fo lying must be seen in a statnement of yours - durin g rigby games what you wish not to happen you simply ignored it when it happened. None of the above shot is true and you are again talking shot when it comes to Du Toit. .

Coming from you that you do not hate Du oit is rich - the anti Du Toit ampagn started in 2013 and you have sread BS about him ever since. If that is not hatred - what is it since it is absed entirely on lies spread by you.

Mostert always was a subnstandard player ith no abilities in open-field tackling and virtually iuseess in breadwn ball protection - but you praise him for tackling while he is not anm effective tackler at all. He needs ssistance to make tckles and tackled players they go forward when he tackled them. A t breakdowns Mostert gets pushed out of mauls by backline players,

Just for your info Mostert played in 83 tests and scored 4 triess in all tests lpayed , - Du Toit palyed in 95 testsd and scored 15 tries - huge difference, A committee comprising prominent cex-aptains have nominated Du Toit as World Player of the Year and he got the award twice, Has Mostert ever been MOM in any test - Icannot remember even once such an honour, So live on in your delusional state,

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Clepfike have a great New Year….I give you the gift of sleep and the gift of silence. May your posts be shorter, you anger be diminished, your gambling losses be fewer and your holidays spent with your ANC friends.

Amazing...

Beirne wishes he was 1.98m try 1.96m and is a good 7kg lighter than PSDT - he is not your big giraffe type and it’s a load of shit that he effects loads of turnovers - probably on par with the number Vermeulen used to effect - very similar sized players

It's obvious that there are being nitpicked to find something to somehow demean the achievements of the greatest Bok 7 in 4 decades....to what end, why?...pathetic.

If Pieter Stef never converted to blindside flanker and stayed a lock, would he have reached the same level of media hype and recognition?

I wonder about that sometimes...

Let’s ignore the rest of what PSDT does but a rugby follower expecting a 2m tall blindside to effect turnovers equates to the expectations of someone very unfamiliar with the game of rugby

It’s physically challenging for the likes of PSDT, Lood, Eben or RG to get down and effect turnovers so no coach would be stupid enough to except that from his giraffes

Complete nonsense, the physics for a 6’8”player is no different….if they can touch their toes they can fetch. Why because with long legs come long arms…..wow, breakthrough idea!

It's obvious that there are being nitpicked to find something to somehow demean the achievements of the greatest Bok 7 in 4 decades....to what end, why?...pathetic.

Draad you must have anticipated I would respond, especially using ‘Dud Toit’ in your heading. You have every right to make your case and I have every right to respond….if you don’t want responses, don’t post.

The ‘end’ is transparent in my post ….a level playing field for a guy like Kolbe who has done so much to ensure our current record, but walks in Dud’s shadow when awards are handed out.

And the best 7 should be able fetch, break tackles and offload.

You're being argumentative...it is what it is, deal with it. The people who decides who wins awards picked him...even the readers of a French rugby rag....it's hard on Cheslin that he got edged by PSDT....as it was on Eben and Thor when they were edged by Barret and Retalicj I think...it's life at the top...there can be only one...resenting the blond giant for that is rather naive and a bit childish....

"And the best 7 should be able fetch, break tackles and offload."

He does that the same and better than any other blindside...fetching isn't the Bok 7's job and you know it.

"If Pieter Stef never converted to blindside flanker and stayed a lock, would he have reached the same level of media hype and recognition?

I wonder about that sometimes...

Why, it makes no difference, irrelevant...BTW he played 7 his whole school career...his school coaches struggled to convince him to convert to lock.

Cheslin?

Cheslin Kolbe? The guy who when he first arrived on the scene all those years ago, Moffie said would never make it as a Springbok wing?

That Cheslin?

LMAO!

I was a Cheslin Kolbe fan the first time I saw him play. A truly great player and very unlucky not to win a World Rugby Player of the Year award. Maybe the second greatest Springbok of all time. Unlucky to be playing at the exact same time as the greatest Springbok of all time.

That's pretty unlucky . . . but Cheslin is something very special. Who here watches the Boks and doesn't always want the ball to go to Cheslin Kolbe?

Edit: There is another Springbok already very close to being the best of all time and on a trajectory that will surely make him not just a Springbok legend but a South African legend.

The fact that I don't have to say his name means that we're all on the same page about this guy (well, except Trad of course) . . . which says something on it's own.

I maintain that Roos would be better at the things that PSDT does than PSDT is.

Aside from a few inches of height, which don't matter too much since he's hardly used in lineouts, PSDT possesses no physically characteristics that Roos doesn't.

Granted, I don't know everything there is to know and perhaps Steph does some things that aren't immediately obvious, but I'm pretty confident that Roos could/does do those things too.

One thing is certain, Roos would be far more of a problem for opposition were he used out wide the way that Steph is. Also if give a the role of roaming tackler, Roos would likely put in more hits more quickly.

We might also need to start considering that with the blitzing backline that we have now, we need loosies with Roos levels of speed and fight.

I honestly think that Hanekom, Wiese, Roos is the way to go. And it's also why I think that, despite Dave already hating Nortje, his ability to keep up with play is what Rassie values and why he's basically become a regular in the pack.

...and then there is Porthen. He went a little unnoticed this year but the guy is a freak. He's fast as hell and mega powerful. I'm hoping he has a proper breakout year jn 2026 and has a good 15 caps under his belt but the time the WC comes.

All this to say that we could put together a very mobile pack if that's the way we wanna go.

Draad, this was just a question, not an attack. Yet again you dismiss it as irrelevant instead of answering it.

This is the second simple question I’ve asked about him. Instead of answering it, you and the "cheerleader" group go into "overload" and turn it into a accusation.

Every time something even slightly questions the narrative in your head, discussion stops.

Background stories, hype, tries, awards, anything except the actual question.

You treat a different view point or in this case curiosity, like hostility. That’s total fanboy behaviour, not rugby discussion.

Must be frustrating not being able to compute different opinions in your head other than your own...

Mozart

The above is typical Mozart BS. He was the amin supporter on site of Alberts who never even protect brakdiown balls and never once contested for a ball turnover, He deliberately lied about the role Du Tpoit played in wide outside and was the key to 5 tries being scored this year alone as well as two tries scored by Du Toit himself.,.

Mozart does not realize Du Toit plays a critical role in the game plan perfected by Brown and Erasmus, but you keep talking shit about everything. You refuse to see what real people see happening match after match. Sad to say all you manage to gain is looking to be totally blinkered fool/. . , .

"I maintain that Roos would be better at the things that PSDT does than PSDT is."

Most but not all...he's not there yet, but IMO the natural successor...some growing to do still.

"Must be frustrating not being able to compute different opinions in your head other than your own..."

LOL...take a look in the mirror...just because you didn't like the answer, doesn't mean it wasn't answered...life and especially rugby is not binary...

Fuck me Moz you really don’t know your rugby do you?

So if 2m tall players are expected to make turnovers, why do we not see Eben, Lood, RG, Nortje, Mostert, Moerat and Kleyn doing that for the Boks huh?

Im mentioning Boks only as it’s about the roles designated to players by the coaches of that team, not what other teams do.

And please don’t tell me it’s because the others play lock that they don’t effect turnovers - effecting turnovers has nothing to do with what position you play and everything to do with those players better equipped to implement.

Fuck me I can’t believe I’m having to educate a long serving rugby follower on the art of what type of player is best equipped to effect turnovers - it’s certainly not your giraffes in your side.

Long legs long arms you say - geez that compounds your ignorance. It’s about getting very low and in a compromising position to effect the turnover - hardly fit for the less athletic giraffes now is it?

Could it not be more bloody obvious why the giraffes are not tasked with effecting turnovers - my 83 year old mother could answer that

Unbelievable

Yup the ignorance of the MGU is staggering. As is their complete arrogance in suggesting the entire Rugby community is wrong and these bumbling buffoons are

right.

With the cred shot and having become a laughing stich the bumble on

Bwahahahaha.

I at first thought Cheslin would struggle at wing because of his small stature. However after seeing him play I quickly changed my mind. That is how normal people operate. The MGU member are not normal people. No evidence convinces them.

Cheslin must rank as one of the very greatest wings ever to play the game. I have not seen any backline player with his footwork. Hisxwotkk in the air is astonishing. He is also very smart and works hard. Getting on a bit now.

Bye the way, I think Grant Williams has tremendous foot work, acceleration, pace and passing skills that would make him lethal on the wing as well. Hopefully he will be played where he is most needed.

Could all Mamparas stay silent when the adults are discussing rugby.

How about us having a toddlers section whereby these very immature rugby noob MGU members can only join the adults for limited periods during the day. Hahahahahahaha.

Draad, that is not entirely true. You never really answered my first question about who’s the better ball carrier, Jasper or PSDT.

You did say Jasper is a better battering ram. You never said who is better in carrying in traffic.

As to my second question, you dismissed it as irrelevant and sidestepped it with his school career, where he sometimes played flanker. No direct answer.

You also do realize that by telling me to look in the mirror, you indirectly talking to yourself. If that is not projection, I don't know what is.

DB I do realize things are not just binary, but these were just two simple questions. No need to go in defensive in order to protect your narratives in your head.

I was not challenging them, you did that all on your own ;)

Mampara King yet again gracing us with his nonsensical BS.

Please take note, Ruckers Forum: ZERO value added, as always...Bwahahahahahaha

I see you still haven't taken your medication, be a good Mampara and do that now...:)

Jasper is better at bashing it up with direct contact, Steph is better at hitting gaps and linking with the backs...both in traffic but two different roles...still difficult to tell. You however forced it into a binary question...to what end? Only you know that...

Mampara power laughter is tbe nest medicine. You are the other mamparas are a laugh a minute. Bwahahahahahaha.

Draad, my first question was: is Stef, in your honest opinion, a better ball carrier in traffic than Jasper Wiese?

That is not a binary question. It’s a comparative question. And the fact that you eventually answered it with context and explanation already proves it was not binary.

If it was binary, that kind of explanation would not be possible.

My second question: if Pieter Stef never converted to blindside and stayed a lock, would he have reached the same level of media hype and recognition?

This is also not binary. That’s a hypothetical question. It’s open ended and allows for different views.

There is no forced yes or no.

A Binary Question means: strict yes or no with no room for explanation. Both my questions allow explanation and discussion.

So Honestly DB, calling them binary looks like another way of avoiding the discussion instead of engaging with it.

Mampara King I am happy that you can laugh, it's my pleasure.

But, it unluckily doesn't change the fact, that you need to be medicated...Bwahahahahahaha

It was a yes or no question...one of the 2...the meaning of binary...I post from my phone, I tipe with my thumb, I don't have time for essays.

And the best 7 should be able fetch, break tackles and offload."

He does that the same and better than any other blindside...fetching isn't the Bok 7's job and you know it.

You have to be kidding….I assume you mean he offloads and breaks tackles the same and better than ANY OtHER blindsider

Posted by: Mpower (4635 posts)

Dec 31, 2025, 23:05

If Pieter Stef never converted to blindside flanker and stayed a lock, would he have reached the same level of media hype and recognition?

I wonder about that sometimes...

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Posted by: Mpower (4635 posts)

Dec 30, 2025, 13:22

A Question for the Pieter groupies: Is Stef, in your honest opinion, a better ball carrier in traffic than Jasper "The Hulk" Wiese??

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Here are both Questions DB: first one hypothetical and Second Comparison Question. Neither one is Binary.

I am also on my phone, and yes it's more difficult then on the Laptop, but not that bad ;)

And please don’t tell me it’s because the others play lock that they don’t effect turnovers - effecting turnovers has nothing to do with what position you play and everything to do with those players better equipped to implement.

Er wrong, this is what rugby literature says via ChatGPT.

?? Rugby Jackaling / Turnover Stats by Position

?? 1. Forwards Dominate Turnovers

1. Open-side flankers (#7) are historically and statistically the most prolific jackalers/turnover winners. This is because their role focuses on:
2. Arriving first at breakdowns
3. Competing for the ball immediately after a tackle
4. Winning turnovers or penalties for their side
5. Coaches and analysts often treat the jackal as a key flanker skill. Bristol Referees Hub

?? 2. Hookers Also Feature Highly

1. In some competitions, hookers are listed as among the top turnover winners — especially in club leagues. One community-compiled list from video-coding stats ranked hooker turnover rates quite high. Reddit

?? 3. Other Back-Row and Loose Forwards

1. Blind-side flankers (#6) and No. 8s contribute some turnovers, but far less often than open-side flankers and occasionally hookers. Reddit

?? 4. Backs Do Jackal but Rarely Lead

1. Backs (scrum-half, centres, wings) can win turnovers — especially in loose, open play — but not at the same rate. Modern analytics acknowledge that backs jackal sometimes, particularly if the ball goes wide and defenders arrive quickly, but data show they are exceptions rather than the norm. Bristol Referees Hub

As for my position on Kolbe….never believe Rhonda. Like many when he first appeared I questioned Kolbe’s size….but quickly was persuaded, way back. Just as I was a big supporter of Aplon. Note also my prescient position on all the wings, including Dave’s 2019 Julius Nkosi. Do stick with moz:

MozartHall Of Famer

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May 08, 2019, 15:52

There is debate about every Bok position, but wings are hardly mentioned. Nobody has much passion about the whole thing. And it's hard to drum up much enthusiasm since Habana and JP.

Of the current crop Dyantyi blows hot and and cold....but no doubt his bag of tricks is no longer novel. Not express and not very strong he relies on guile, but sometimes it backfires.

Mapimpi looks good, except when he is faced by an equivalent athlete...as he will be at the WC. There is no plan b if he is matched for pace.

Nkosi is an impressive youngster...good pace, good strength, sensible instincts....he looks the best prospect. Still there isn't a sense that he is going to make things happen, like the young Habana. Not sure why....but he isn't a 'danger man' yet.

Of course there is Kolbe, who seems too small, but is a 'danger man'. We need one player who can really shred a defence. Right now Kolbe seems one of the few....with his quick thinking and electric pace off the mark

How about them apples Vaccine, starting the new year with yet another exposed Porkie. Silly tit!

Mpower

Wh enever I have seen Wiese carrying th e b all he run staright tat the forst defender and is tackled without going forward in the tackle. I have not seen any special in his performances - he did make ome possession turnovers at breakdiwns - but as many as he is successful he is penaloized. He reminds me a lot of Alberts in beng cumsy as well. I would rather see a more athletic and thinking playerin the number 8 postition than Wiese,

Any other points I need to despose of on the glorious first?

Answer the question - why do Eben, Lood, RG, Mostert, Moerat, Nortje or Kleyn not effect turnovers for the Boks

Take your time

Because our coaches have relied on Marx and Kwagga to save us….as I-pointed our Byrne, Lawes and Itoje do, And there is a difference for a loosie…he is outside the ruck/scrum/lineout sooner than a lock and in better position to make a turnover

As for Dud Toit’s running ability and his ‘engine’ ….this suggests his engine isn’t on most matches. Read and enjoy, you won’t find this in the rugby press. But above all absorb a few facts:

MozartHall Of Famer

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Oct 22, 2025, 15:30

Dud Toit WC stats:

Tackling:

Scotland 7/3

Ireland … 13/1

France …. 9/5

England 9/0

All Blacks. 28/3

Total……..Dud Toit 66/12

% made….Dud Toit. 85%

Overall 13 tackles a game at 85% success, solid but not unusual

Ball carrying ….runs/metres/defenders beaten/clean breaks/offloads/ lost

Scotland 7/27/0/0/0/2

Ireland. 6/8/0/0/1/ 1

France. 7/18/0/0/0/1

England. 8/14/2/0/0/0

All Blacks. 5/27/0/2/0/0

Total. 33/94/2/2/1/4.

So Dud ran the ball 33 times and gained 94 metres at just below 3 a carry. But his two big gaining games against Scotland and the ABs came with no defenders beaten. In other words he was running through open field.

In 33 runs he broke the line twice! And in 4 of five games, 31 of 33 runs he never beat a tackle. And he offloaded exactly once, which meant not only did he not provide any penetration he just died with the ball.

But that was the good news, 4 times he coughed up the ball. That’s a negative 100 metres right there wiping out his meagre 94 metres gained..

That’s a total fail in running.

There are no other ESPN stats, so I can’t comment on his lineout work. But ordinary defending and toothless ball carrying to me doesn’t add up to the best Bok loosie at the WC, let alone the best Springbok of all time,

So you have no answer - I don’t give a toss what other countries players do - their institutions might be different to ours - Itoje and Beirne are 1.95 and 1.96m and hardly effect loads of turnovers now do they? Nor did Lawes

Effecting turnovers has fuck all to do with the positions players take up in a scrum, and what utter horse shit that a blindside is quicker out of a line out or ruck than a lock - rugby ignorance at play again.

PSDT, like Eben, RG, Lood etc are not tasked with effecting turnovers as only a rugby noob would think a 2m giraffe is equipped to get into position to effect turnovers

In all the games useless Mostert played at 7 did you ever see him effect a turnover? I wonder why

How embarrassing for you - seriously

As for Marx, Kwagga, Ox, Wiese, DA and Thomas saving us with turnovers - bullshit - they are best equipped to effect them given their size so it makes perfect sense - so fucking obvious

So a lock has an equal chance with the blindside flanker of making a steal off a scrum, if the inside center is tackled on the blindside. Dave you are so locked in to your positions you become unable to reason….Nkosi is our best wing, Julius is better than Hooker, JJ Englebrecht is better than JdV, the du Preez twins are going to change rugby, blindside flankers have no better odds to make a steal than a lock.

Brain freeze, easily defeated….up your game man this is boring.