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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 Jun 2015, 14:58
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11 Jun 2015, 14:58#1

Coetzee's replacement at the Stormers with names like Plumtree and John Mitchell being in the mix makes for interesting reading. I really don't mind a Kiwi coach as it stands I'm gatvol of SAFFA "coaches"...enough is enough.

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DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
11 Jun 2015, 15:03
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11 Jun 2015, 15:03#2
Dumtree or Mitchell? Mitchell. But do the Saffers like to work? The Sharks didn't like to get out of their jim-jams before noon and sacked Jake. He hurt their feelings. Mitchell likes discipline. Just a shame that South Africa only has around 4 or 5 good coaches, and most of them are not head coaches.
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
11 Jun 2015, 19:17
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11 Jun 2015, 19:17#3
Kiwi coaches are willing to take jobs overseas, always willing to help our rivals in S15 & RC, e.g. Robbie Deans
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sharkbokCaptain23,285 posts
11 Jun 2015, 19:22
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11 Jun 2015, 19:22#4
Robbie Deans would be a major coup for the Stormers. 
He is one of the top New Zealand coaches and was unlucky to not be made All Black coach, and probably would have were it not for the hugely success reign of Henry/Hanson & minion (smith something) and now Hanson 
Plumtree is good, but New Zealand have better. 
Plumtree is also more of a forwards specialist coach than a backline coach


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Jun 2015, 19:30
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11 Jun 2015, 19:30#5
 Mitchell has declined to come to Stormers. 

ape Town - Former All Black coach John Mitchell has admitted that he was approached by the Stormers to replace Allister Coetzee as head coach but that he had turned them down.

Coetzee will step down from his position after this year’s Super Rugby competition to coach the Kobe Kobelco Steelers in Japan.

Former Sharks coach and current Hurricanes assistant John Plumtree is now believed to be the favourite to replace Coetzee.

Mitchell, who also previously coached the Lions and Force, confirmed that the Stormers were interested in his services.

Mitchell told the supersport.com website that he would have looked at an offer from the Stormers more seriously had the terms been more agreeable to him.

“An approach was made to me and there were negotiations, but unfortunately Gert Smal is only contracted as Western Province Director of Rugby for another two years, so there were no guarantees for me beyond that period,” said Mitchell.

“Had I been offered a four-year deal, it would have been different. But I have travelled around the world a lot to pursue my career as a coach and didn’t want to uproot my family again for the promise of just two years. I didn’t want to commute either, as I believe you have to be fully immersed in a culture to be effective as a coach.

“There was also uncertainty about how long Gert would stay. If the Boks bomb in this year’s World Cup, will he not be courted by SARU to fill one of the national posts, perhaps not as a coach but maybe as a performance director? I can work with Gert but I have been in a situation before where I signed up a coach to work with a Director of Rugby and then it never happened and I was left on a limb.

“It happened when I was at the Lions. I joined them ostensibly to work with Dick Muir, who was officially the Lions’ Director of Rugby, but it just never happened. There was some misunderstanding somewhere and I never got to see Dicky in that role. I don’t want to have to go through that again.”

Mitchell also questioned whether the Stormers had enough decent coaches in their system to be truly successful.

“I have no doubt that WP have the playing resources and the talent pipeline, but do they have the competency in the rest of the coaching structure there to win a Super Rugby title? I place a question mark over that. I don’t believe that one man alone can go in and effect change and turn a franchise into a Super Rugby champion unit.”

Aside from Plumtree, other names mentioned to possibly succeed Coetzee as Stormers coach include Springbok forwards coach Johan van Graan, Junior Springbok coach Dawie Theron and former Wallaby mentor Ewen McKenzie.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
11 Jun 2015, 19:40
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11 Jun 2015, 19:40#6
 Another SA team that has good talent but is rudder-less. They have to make a good offer if they want top quality coaches. I can't think of many coaches that would go for a two year deal. Maybe Jake White would go for it?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Jun 2015, 19:47
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11 Jun 2015, 19:47#7
 Yawn Denise......this is old news.....wake up dumbass
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Jun 2015, 20:55
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11 Jun 2015, 20:55#8
 JW, I won't call them rudder-less, but they can do better coaching wise. They are backing there structutrs, but Coetzee is probably leaving 1 or 2 seasons too early for their liking. Dobson will be ready in a year or so, but they are trying to bridge that gap. Appointing someone for 4 years at this stage is not ideal. Lots of things to still pan out till next season, but there is still time. If all else fails, they'll still have Smal to assist a makeshift head coach.
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