Bumped off Takeahau (spelling?)
Haha, good to see even NZers struggle to get the correct combination of letters in the right order for some of these names. I feel a little better now.
Pork Sausage, for someone calling everyone “thick,” you really don’t notice how often you trip over your own points.
You keep trying to twist this like AE is some rookie project.
He’s already an established international with 87 caps for English Premiership Club Harlequins and 20 caps for the Springboks.
As Moz rightfully pointed out, nobody is “investing” in him like a Rookie.
He is ready to Rumble and the Boks are using him because he’s world class and proven. Big difference.
Willemse at 12 vs 15:
You’re acting like players don’t switch lanes mid game. Every modern fullback joins the line at 12 or 13 on strike moves.
That doesn’t suddenly make them the “best candidate” for that jersey. Willemse’s versatility is a strength, but it doesn’t erase the fact that he’s still most natural at 15. Even Rassie’s selections back that up.
The Future vs the Present.
Experience and player Depth wins World Cups, not one golden option.
You can back Willemse at 12 and still keep Esterhuizen in the mix. Pretending it’s one or the other, is what you call real Stupidity!
Nobody sane is throwing out an experienced, in form powerhouse like AE just because a younger guy had a good game.
Willemse is class, no doubt. But saying AE isn’t worth it because he’s 31 is the kind of shallow take that only you can come up with.
It completely ignores how the Boks actually build squads: with balance, depth, and experience.
So maybe watch the game without your blinders on next time.
The Boks didn’t “go into overdrive” because Willemse suddenly became a better 12, it happened when both roles were covered properly!
AE at 12, Willemse at 15.
Fuckwit you are too thick to debate rugby with -
literally
But here is a pointer on Willemse at 12 vs 15
Everything he did of note yesterday was from the 12 position even when he was stationed out at fullback
Not one thing of note did he do from deep in the fullback position
Bullshit do all 15’s come into the 12 position - Fassi never does
We did see Willie slot in at 10 at times but that’s not centre
The only one tripping here is you, tripping over your rugby ignorance and fucking stupidity
AE at 31 is too old end of - Willemse is the future at 12 as I’ve always said and which he proved yesterday. His backups should be Hooker and David Kriel
Poor AE should have had 90 Bok caps but unfortunately he had DA ahead of him and rightly so - it’s now too late for him and Rassie knows that
"AE at 31 is too old end of - Willemse is the future at 12 as I’ve always said and which he proved yesterday. His backups should be Hooker and David Kriel"
AE has at least 3 years left. He'll still be just as capable at the next WC.
The fact that you want to move on from him is a joke. Nobody that watched yesterday's game, and has half a brain cell, doesn't see the massive advantage of having Willemse and AE on the field together.
Fassi is still a baby.
AE is our "new" 12, Willemse is our 15...and after the WC Willemse might make the shift to 12 permanently.
No dumbfuck, AE did nothing different to his power game - he adds nothing new to DA - fact
Willemse is the new at 12 the guy with the dancing feet and skill to beat defenders by attacking space not contact like DA and AE do
So suck it up - without a shadow of doubt Willemse is the solution at 12 with Fassi at 15, baby my arse he is the same age at Willemse at 27.
Willemse is so much more gifted than Esterhuizen as is Fassi - it’s bloody obvious you want the two younger players in Fassi and Willemse in the starting line up - complete no brainer
AE is not even next in line - Hooker is - purely based on age and the future
AE sadly has missed out at test level. If we are going to continue to play a big guy at 12 it will be DA not AE
"No dumbfuck, AE did nothing different to his power game - he adds nothing new to DA - fact "
Tell me you know absolutely nothing about rugby, without actually saying the words.
Willemse played at 12 until the 37th minute.
AE played at 12 for the remaining 43 minutes.
The score after 37 minutes...10-7
You're embarrassing yourself, Dawie. Lol I'm struggling more and more to take you seriously.
LMAO You actually watched yesterday's game and honestly think AE did nothing that DDA wouldn't do...
That's clown level stuff my guy. You really need to wind it in.
Suffolk, at this point it’s actually painful watching you.
You’ve been saying the exact same thing over and over like a broken record, swearing louder each time as if volume makes your argument smarter.
Wake up it doesn’t…
AE at 31 is still in his prime. If you honestly think 31 is “too old,” then you’ve either never watched a World Cup beyond pool stages or your rugby brain stopped developing in high school.
Nonu, JDV, Frans Steyn, Duane… all proved you dead wrong.
Your Willemse obsession is comical. Every time he touches the ball at 12, you scream “see, he’s the future!” as if the Boks don’t have a game plan with flexible structures.
If your logic was real, then Willie playing at 10 makes him the future flyhalf too. Do you even listen to yourself??
It’s exactly the same as with Jurenzo Julius…..how you proclaimed he is the prodigal son and Ethan Hooker is bog ordinary? Remember that shit Pork Sausage??
"End of” – You throw this phrase around like it’s the final word, but all it does is highlight that you’ve run out of actual rugby analysis.
It’s basically your white flag, just wrapped in swear words, poephol:)
You love to call people “ignorant” and “thick,” but the truth is you’re just stuck in one narrow idea and can’t handle being challenged.
That’s not rugby insight, that’s just ego with a keyboard.
So here’s some advice Little Man: calm down, watch the game again without your Willemse fanboy goggles, and maybe try debating without sounding like you’re having a meltdown.
Until then, I’ll keep talking rugby, and you can keep proving who’s really out of their depth:)
Fuck it Plum you are seriously as stupid as Mpuff
Get this into your stupid head but do yourself a favour and go watch the second half again and then come back to me.
AE did fuck all that was different to DA in the time he was on at 12 - if you disagree time stamp the creativity he showed. He took the physical route as he always does just like DA
Now let me point out why you are so fucking rugby ignorant. You think because Willemse moved to 15, all the impressive impact he made was the usual stuff a fullback does like launching a counter attack from deep or hitting a great line etc. Well helloooo if you actually had half a rugby brain you would have picked up that every impactful thing he did in the second half came from him slotting into 12 including his awesome try and try assist
Go do some fucking homework before you come on here ignorantly exposing how fucking little you know
You come across as one of those simple supporters who sees nothing beyond that if a guy is at fullback he must be doing everything like a fullback would do or that because a new 12 came on that the success of the half was down to that change - ignorance
Fact is AE played it physically and Willemse creatively, he was sublime and everything he did was as a centre in both halves
Glad to be of service
Mpuff you are too thick to respond to just fuck off you boring ignorant prick
Lol the Porker told us Hooker was robotic, like Kriel
lol
Dont lie you stupid prick - worked out what Willemse did in the second half yet you fucking dunce?
Min 43'- Try Assist: Esterhuizen produced a perfectly weighted left-handed pass that put Cheslin Kolbe into space for his second try two minutes into the half.
Min 79' - Late in the game a left-edge attack that involved Willemse and Grant Williams led to Esterhuizen crashing over to put the cherry on top his own try to finish a dominant half.
Min 61'- Willemse received pass from Libbok, close to All Blacks Goal line, breaks the line and scores a try.
"worked out what Willemse did in the second half yet you fucking dunce?"
What more did he do??
Pork Sausage, every time you open your mouth it’s the same three words: “fuck off, thick.”
That’s not debate, that’s the cry of a bitter old man who’s been proven wrong so many times he’s forgotten what a rugby fact looks like.
You’re not a rugby brain, you’re just a keyboard yob with zero substance!
The kind of clown who thinks swearing louder makes him right. Newsflash: it doesn’t!
It just makes you sound like the sad, frustrated little man you are:)
Fuck are we really supposed to deal with such fucking idiots on this board - seriously
Mpuff you are fucking profoundly fucking stupid to the point it’s irritating
My question was aimed at how he did things in the second half you fucking plank
I’ll dumb it down for you - when he did those creative things in the second half was it from back at fullback or did he slot into the centre position
Take your fucking time idiot
Tit, you’ve spent three posts screaming at me and calling me “profoundly stupid,” yet you still haven’t grasped the point.
It doesn’t matter where Willemse made his plays.
Whether he was at fullback, centre, or doing a dance in the middle of the pitch, it does not make him a better 12 than Andre Esterhuizen.
AE is the established international, with a try, a try assist, multiple line-breaking carries, and a physical presence that defines the Bok midfield. That’s measurable impact.
You talk about all this Willemse’s creativity at 12? Pls be so kind and provide time stamps, just like me, of all his brilliant activities.
One try, some attacking sequences, impressive yes, but nowhere near the consistent, proven influence AE brings at 12.
The attacking sequence that Willemse had part of for Esterhuizen,s try, started from the backfield full back position.
You can scream “fullback or centre!” until the cows come home, but you’re not changing the fact: AE is the better, more complete 12, and the rest of us on here and Rugby pundits alike, can see it clearly.
So go ahead, call me names again. Meanwhile, the facts speak for themselves, and you’re just flailing.
Fuck off you dumb cunt your stupidity bores me
Pork Sausage, keep screaming and swearing all you like, it doesn’t prove your points in any way!
You’ve got nothing: no timestamps, no stats, no evidence, just rage and insults.
Meanwhile, AE scored a try, set up another, carried hard, broke lines, and defined the midfield. Willemse’s flashes?
One try, some sequences, and a positional shuffle. That’s the entire argument you’re screaming about.
Facts don’t care about your feelings, and right now, the only thing proving itself on this forum is how pathetically out of depth you are:)
Ah so AE got MOM and Eggchaser gave him a 10 rating and Willemse just had flashes
You are beyond fucking stupid
What is 1 + 1?
11
Esterhuizen has been the best 12 in the game for nearly a decade. He was denied because South Africa has the intellectual prowess of a flaccid stale fart trapped in a bottle. Sannex appears to be at the forefront of that rot. Willemse is a very good utility back, I recall I was lambasted for singing his praises several years ago.
Yes Willemse is a excellent utility Back, but are mostly settled at Fullback in my opinion, as he proved yesterday.
Oh So Eggchaser is now the official authority to give out MoM awards??
Rugby365.com for example, gave there award to Cheslin Kolbe.
Official MoM awards are given by governing bodies, broadcasters, or match organizers and are recorded in official match reports.
In this case, there was no official Man of the Match award announced for this game. Pls correct me if I'm wrong.
So nice try Pork Chops:) Egg chaser’s vote is subjective, they reflect the hosts’ opinions, not the consensus of stats, match officials, or recognized awards.
So fuckwit talk us through Willemse proving it yesterday playing 15 you utter moron
Mozart
this week Esterhozen 6 runs for 34 metres….a try and a try assist.
Of the 34 meters 23 came from the gift try he scored gofted to him by Wilemse passed the ball to Williams and then to Estehuizen who only the scrummie to beat to score a gift try.
Which was the other try he had a try at in?
Wake up! Both of Willemse’s big moments, his own try joining the line from the back and his involvement in AE’s try happened while he was playing 15.
Your whole argument that AE is “too old to hack it at 12 like Willemse” is nonsense. We all saw how well the two linked, it clicked perfectly.
Willemse was flashy at 12 with his twinkle-toe stepping, sure, but the real impact and points came when he moved to 15.
Of the 34 meters 23 came from the gift try he scored
He received the ball about 12m out. To run 23m he would have had to receive the scoring pass outside the 22m area.
Which was the other try he had a try at in?
You watched the game twice apparently and you don't know? Even the commentators highlighted the pass, called him by name for it.
Same old same old Mike. Lies, lies and lies.
Same old Mike….seldom right, but never uncertain.
Mpuff do you actually know anything about rugby or are you just genuinely thick, dumb, stupid?
The try he scored had fuck all to do with him joining the line from the back - he was lined up in the centre position you fucking idiot
Do you want me to school you through his try set up as well
Someone put this fucking dumb baboon to sleep
It’s as thick as pigshit
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Bullshit are NZ the weakest they have been what utter rubbish. Their side is as good as ever - difference is all the sides have caught up. Rugby had evolved - no single side will ever dominate for decades like the AB’s did in the years the SA rugby was compromised by the quota system
On paper that AB side is as good as ever - fact
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Do you know anything about rugby….this team has just been defeated by a record margin ever. Personally I think Willemse can play both positions, but he is more of a ball carrier than a distributor, that would suggest 15.
But seriously man, have you finally twigged NZ is going through a terrible patch….great NZ teams never got humiliated, they humiliated others.
Nope they are a good side they beat us the week before
As I said the top 8 sides are close which is good for rugby
Willemse is both a creator and distributor - it’s just so damn obvious that he needs to play 12
What I don’t get is how thick rugby followers are. We have some world class younger backs of which Willemse and Fassi are two
So anyone with half a brain would conclude that it makes obvious sense that you want both these players starting.
Queue the next day obvious derivative Fassi at 15, Willemse at 12 - it’s not bloody rocket science
And it’s not like we have concede anything by making this obvious call - Fassi is a brilliant fullback and Willemse’s best position is 12
Willrnse has a brilliant skill set and has muscled up to a respectable size along with having that mongrel in him. You want your gifted, creative player deployed in the middle of the action at 12, not wasted out wide at 15
Sooooo so obvious for me
Twelves tend to have more programmed running opportunities and 15s have more freedom. That suggests Willemse could be more creative from 15. Think Cristian Cullen, think Ramos. And right now Fassi looks anything but a world class fullback. He did last year.
Ok the 22 meter line is no 12 meters from the tryline -- thanks for tha real observation, Pakie.
There is no doubting Willemse can play 15 but his best spot is 12 where he is at the heart of the action
He is wasted at 15 plus the Boks need him at 12
I don’t buy into Fassi being out of form he was good on Saturday until he got injured - he is a class act - class is permanent, form temporary
The best Bok backline has to have Williams, Sacha, Willemse, Kolbe, Arendse and Fassi in it. Moodie with a few more outings at 13 could make that list as well but JJ is lurking and you have Hooker
"JJ is lurking"
...hahahaha
I can’t wait for the day I say I told you so - it’s coming dumbass
Unfortunately, JJ has no top speed.
Had he pace equivalent to Hooker or Moodie, I'd perhaps back him, but as much as you deny it, he has acceleration but no 6th gear.
I don't want him to fail, but at his size, he needs to bring something more than a step.
You just need to admit that you watched some YouTube videos of him at schoolboy level and pegged him as a star, and now you're to proud to face reality.
Bullshit there is enough footage of him showing plenty of pace but his strength is the explosive pace off the mark which enables him to exploit space. Also has a great step
You are literally clueless and like I said I can’t wait to laugh at you. This lad is the real deal
Just shows how fucking ignorant you are - his size? He is 96kg the same weight at Jessie and Am helloooooo
Sorry, Dave, I forgot, you are 178cm and 95Kgs, like JJ, and you're massive.
Try 1.81 and yes I’m big, not massive
Many call me ‘ Big guy’ or ‘Big D’
JJ is stacked there is nothing small about him
"Try 1.81 and yes I’m big, not massive" Last time you Said you were 182??
That means : A male 181 cm @ 95 kg, Your BMI is 29. Your ideal weight is 81.9 kg, so you are 13.1kg overweight.
Geez, Guy, you’re a older man and seriously overweight…you really need to calm down.
Keep this up with your rage and you might be facing some serious health risks….just saying.
"Many call me ‘ Big guy’ or ‘Big D’"
Are you sure it’s not ' Fat Dave' ??
Mpuff are you gay?
Would you like that, Fat Dave?