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The Bok squad that should have been

Started by Saffolk 9 REPLIES397 VIEWS· 02 Jul 2015, 10:59
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SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jul 2015, 10:59
#1
02 Jul 2015, 10:59#1

My extended training squad would have been:


15. Willie / Jessie Kriel (15/11/13) / Coetzee / Taute (13)


11/14. JP / Habana / Senatla / Sithole / Combrink / v/Wyk (13) / Kolbe


12/13. de Allende / Serfontein / Vorster / Frans Steyn / Odendaal / Frans Venter / Mapoe / JJ


10. Pollard / Jantjies / Lambie / Goosen


9. Hougaard / Faf / Reinach / du Preez 


1/3. Coenie / Beast / Jannie / Marcel v/d Merwe / Nyakane / Malherbe / Kitshoff / Koch


2. Bismark / Strauss / Ackers / Scara


4/5. Etzebeth / Lood / PSDT (7) / Willemse / Jacques du Plessis (7) / Ruan Botha / Lewies


6/7/8. Vermeulen / Kolisi / Carr / Elstadt / Brussouw / Jaco Kriel / Whiteley / Arno Botha / Labs / v/d Walt / Coetzee / Oupa / Mtembu / CJ Stander / Schalk


If you cant pick a world beating side from that group then you should not be coaching.


In bold are squad must haves

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Jul 2015, 12:33
#2
02 Jul 2015, 12:33#2

 Dave, here a straight no BS question.


Alright, so let's say hypothetically that the players highlighted in bold is the team and that you are the coach.



Tell me, what pattern of play are you going to adopt?


Picking the team is one thing, you've done that, now you have to decide your pattern of play?


tx

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jul 2015, 14:30
#3
02 Jul 2015, 14:30#3

Play to the Boks strengths.......dominate the collisions and win the physical battles up front......cant go wrong here with the likes of Kitshoff, Bismark, Malherbe, Marcel, Coenie, Etzebeth, Willemse, PSDT, Coetzee, Jacques du Plessis and Vermeulen on board.


Forward power where dominance in the scrums, rolling mauls is a prerequisite for laying a platform for the backs.....empower the backs to play what's in front of them.....players should be encouraged to attack space not contact......we have sublime attacking talents in Hougaard, Faf, Pollard, Jantjies, Serfontein, de Allende, Vorster, Senatla, Jessie Kriel and Willie.


The model I would encourage is the one played by the Lions, Chiefs, Tahs and Canes......these sides look to keep the ball alive....where an attacking mindset prevails, not the conservative kicking games we see under Meyer and the likes.


The game is won with ball in hand, not where kicking away possession is the primary mindset.


Am I advocating all out attack......no I am not......there is place for tactical kicking with a view to gaining territory, but kicking should always feature as secondary with attacking being the primary goal.


Dominate the physical battles, keep the ball alive, attack space.......empower players to trust their strengths and skill set , don't program them into crashing it up and seeking contact all the time. Players should be encouraged to seek great running lines, use the step to beat the man, fleet of foot instead of straight over the top......of primary importance is the offload, keeping the ball alive, putting better placed players into space.


Its about striking a balance between structured play and having the free spirit to attack when the opportunity presents itself and more than anything seek to create that opportunity with self belief. 

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
02 Jul 2015, 16:43
#4
02 Jul 2015, 16:43#4
Well,I tend to agree with Saffex's selections with a few exceptions...I think this man is on the right track ...except Lambie before Jantjies, Kitshoff further up,PSTD before Lood, Coetzee, Kriel and Vermeulen the first choice loosies, otherwise a selection of merit... and only marginal disagreements...I also believe Hougaard should be there but as a wing and not a scrummie...and there is a toss up between Faff and Reinach  @ 9
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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jul 2015, 16:52
#5
02 Jul 2015, 16:52#5
 Dave
IO in essence agree with you - but have to point out a few problems:-
*   Coenie is not available - he had another neck operation and will not be back this year.
*    Arno Botha and Marcel van der Merwe will have to up their game if they are to be selected - they were not really living up to their potential in this Super 15.
  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jul 2015, 17:23
#6
02 Jul 2015, 17:23#6

Bullshit Marcel v/d Merwe was good all year, one of our best tightheads


As for Arno, he is the best of all the young loosies we had......by the end of his S15 campaign he was back to good form......pure class this lad......not only would he make my squad, he would definitely be in my match 23 as would the impressive Marcel v/d Merwe  


With Coenie out, I'd bring young Thomas du Toit into the equation.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jul 2015, 17:27
#7
02 Jul 2015, 17:27#7

Seb there was no order to my squad selection.....the names were typed as they came to me.


Hougaard is not a wing, he is our best 9  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jul 2015, 17:56
#8
02 Jul 2015, 17:56#8
Marcel is not a test quality tighthead.  Nobody except you thinks Hougaard is test quality at scrummie....but his total omission from the squad suggests he has other issues.

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
02 Jul 2015, 18:38
#9
02 Jul 2015, 18:38#9
 That's fine Saffex, still a good selection...we all have our preferances...at least it's intelligent and makes sense... when I hear of Morne, Wooly Booly, Victor and Fourie I begin to wonder if these guys are on opium.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Jul 2015, 10:05
#10
03 Jul 2015, 10:05#10

Oh what utter shit, Marcel has already proved at test level he has what it takes......he dominated at test level something our incumbent has never really done.


Marcel, Coenie, Malherbe and Koch are all test quality tightheads......we have more depth here than any other rugby nation around......none come close.


As for Hougaard's omission, that about sums up how fucking useless and ignorant Meyer is........not to mention the omission of Senatla, Sithole, Kolbe, Combrink, v/Wyk, Vorster, Frans Venter, Odendaal, Goosen, Ackers, Willemse, Ruan Botha, Jacques du Plessis, Jaco Kriel, Labs, Mtembu, Elstadt, v/d Walt, CJ Stander and Arno Botha........could there be more glaring omissions from a coach......especially when you consider , he thinks the likes of Kirchner, Hendricks, Mvovo, Fourie, Jean, Morne, Pienaar, Matfield and Alberts still have the goods........what a complete idiot the man is.

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