MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Feb 2015, 19:17#3
It doesnt sound to me as if they were convinced he was Cruz....in fact it sounds like they were hedging their bets. Now all of a sudden they were these loyal supporters.
Poie led the charge on this and several posters, myself included felt the weight of evidence was against Cruz being Tomas. I still believe that. But one or two posts aside, it was a civilly pursued topic.
This revisionism is a bit rich and dishonest.
23 Feb 2015, 19:47#4
Yep, that's an accurate account.
GEgeneraltit
Pro3,164 posts
23 Feb 2015, 19:57#5
Well I might be naive but I never doubted his integrity...sure we live in a world full of deception, falseness and with a lot of psychos as well as harmless Walter Mitty's...who are rather sad characters.
Ole Cruz is certainly not one of them...what's the point...at that stage no one had knowledge of Tomas Lavanini...who he was...an apprentice with the Chiefs and his future as a potential Puma.
Tomas has done well and looks to become one of the best locks in the business of rugger in next few years.
A lot of you don't understand Argentinians...they are very proud but approachable people and certainly not bull dusters...they are indeed very likeable people but are sensitive and don't take easily to fools or small minded people...that you can b e very sure of...
Any way , I doubt if Tomas would now ever be bothered to even read this forum comments.
I also feel sure that our moderator/editor knows this truth and would not have entertained this if Ole Cruz was indeed an imposter.
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
23 Feb 2015, 20:31#6
". . . and don't take easily to fools or small minded people..."
Indeed, as was proved conclusively on this board.
The behaviour of those demanding Tomas's credentials and bona fides was disgusting. Has anyone else on this board ever had to prove their real identity?
No, I don't think so . . . and now we've lost an actual test player with great insights but we're stuck with a pompous, deceitful and self-important buffoon who doesn't even know what number the various positions wear. Talk about getting the short end of the stick!
Oh and SubstantialBull, for the record, the moderator told us that Tomas was genuine. I see the manipulative and conceited old windbag conveniently overlooked that little detail.
GEgeneraltit
Pro3,164 posts
23 Feb 2015, 20:47#7
Ja ...that's spot on...also I conclude that Ole Cruz NEVER volunteered his identity at all and was typically reticent (Latin American tendancy) to advertise his name and it was only after being requested, if not badgered to identify himself, he relented.
All I can say this lot would make a terrible jury in the USA courts...crumbs you lot would send an innocent man to the chair.
GEgeneraltit
Pro3,164 posts
23 Feb 2015, 20:58#8
PS Fortunately we don't have Old Sparky in our legal system in SA...I wonder what would happen if there was load shedding when the executioner pulled the switch...
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Feb 2015, 21:16#9
Oh really...nobody had to prove who they are. I can recall when I had to prove who I was..and the AAS has still not apologized. Nobody asked Cruz to go , they were just a little sceptical he was Tomas... .which was actually a compliment to Tomas. After that a lot of posters were involved including Mike and Roooinek as the posts above demonstrate.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Feb 2015, 21:39#10
So my memory wasn't too sketchy after all? Still going to be labeled a " servile gimp" I suppose.
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
23 Feb 2015, 21:51#11
Well you have become something of a fawning lickspittle, Draad. Are you running against Dense for the role of Alpha Gimp?
Anyway, your memory sucks. Moffie and Poi-e hounded Tomas off the board with their persistent demands for his personal details. He refused politely but they didn't let up so he left. In the case of your new master, it was because he'd jumped on the "Ole-Cruz-is-a-fake" bandwagon and we all know the obsessive and childish lengths that Moffie goes to to try and pretend he's right about everything . . . well, maybe you don't see it . . . because you've plunged your snout so far up his fat arse.
Whatever lies Moffie comes up with to cover his disgraceful behaviour, his childishness and self-importance cost us a valuable contributor.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Feb 2015, 22:00#12
Rooi, your apparent dislike for Moz is clouding your normally sound judgement.
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
23 Feb 2015, 22:12#13
Oh please man, your calling out of ABasque as "bitter" for a harmless comment a few weeks ago while turning a blind eye to Moffie's years (literally) of spiteful vitriol aimed at Dave and ou Maaik tells me all I need to know about your allegiances.
I think Bokshark made mention of the fact that recently, whenever anyone criticises Moffie you're there in a flash, brown-nosing up to Moffie in the most sycophantic and grovelling manner imagineable. Sadly, I have to agree with him. I mean, just look at this thread . . .
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Feb 2015, 22:42#14
Hahahahaha.....cry me a river. The difference between you and me RooiAAS is I post tongue in cheek, but your ego is on the line with every post like a cheap suit. I guess that comes from a life poorly lived.
GEgeneraltit
Pro3,164 posts
23 Feb 2015, 22:58#16
Maybe we should just close this file and call it the X-file...Lolz
Don't think Tomas bothers with us any more and I certainly don't blame him...maybe a spot of light-hearted humour will ease things off over time.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Feb 2015, 01:58#17
Mozart
Your above quotes are very selective and you quote one thing which I did say and a lot of things I said is not quoted in that case. In the meantime your own comments at the time is never quoted. In any event that one thing I said was AFTER the anti-Cruz campaign AND AFTER Cruz left the site. Why not quote your own comments when the anti-Cruz campaign - let by the stink called poi-e and actively supported by some members (you included) - was going on?
Sorry - but you are not being straightforward in this case.
24 Feb 2015, 02:14#18
Well we don't have to close the file , if anyone wants to reach out to Tomas he's on Twitter @tomilavanini, reach out and ask him to come back if you strongly believe he posted here in the first place.
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
24 Feb 2015, 08:13#20
Mozart: it might be time to put the cork back in the bottle mate - if there is any left of course You posted on the wrong thread which is a little ironic as you were chastising sharkbok for not getting things right, lol
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Feb 2015, 08:25#21
I am not registered fro Twitter. pooooie how about you or someone who is inviting Thomas back. If he denies posting here then it settles matters.
Identity theft is no small thing. Cruz vehemently insisted he was Thomas. When asked to verify this in a very easy manner he flounced off. Strong chances are he wasnt Thomas. I have doubts as to how effective Admin's verification process was.
Pity
Rooitwit you had as much doubt as most re Cruz. No more revisionism please oak!
24 Feb 2015, 09:16#22
Ole Cruz had me sold. What good reason would an impostor have to pretend he was an unknown under 20 from Argentina? Also, when he first started posting he had great insight into the team structures and other information that was not reported on. It was nothing top secret or anything, just information about team dynamics that would only be known to someone very close to the team. On top of that, he informed us here about his involvement at the Chiefs, long before the Chiefs fans here even knew he was in New Zealand .
I'd love for him to come back, because he offered great insight into international rugby. Also, just on him speaking English very well, I can't remember the exact details, but he did explain that he had spent a lot of time in Cape Town, and unless my memory has failed me, that is where he was educated.
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
24 Feb 2015, 09:39#23
"Rooitwit you had as much doubt as most re Cruz."
Rubbish Baboon-ou. Just because your manipulative and fork-tongued master is quoting me out of context doesn't mean I didn't support Tomas all the way. The quote above is not me expressing any doubts about Tomas, it's me replying to the likes of Poi-e who were talking about his excellent English and his refusal to confirm anything via Facebook.
Seriously, I know you're a phenomenally stupid person but even to a dribbling half-wit like you, do my quoted comments above sound like they're from someone who questions Tomas's authenticity?
Find me the post where I question whether Ole Cruz is in fact Tomas or not . . . not where I'm answering his skeptics and trying to explain to them why they're wrong about him.
Did you get that all, Baboon-ou? Sorry if I made your brain hurt . . . run along now.
24 Feb 2015, 09:50#24
A tweet has been sent, if I get a response I'll let you know.
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
24 Feb 2015, 09:55#25
Poi-e, thanks, I'll be interested to know what transpires but this thread isn't so much about whether Tomas is Ole Cruz or not, it's about who believed him and who didn't.
I think all my comments on the matter show quite clearly (to any intelligent person anyway) that I was among the believers. Let's see Moffie and Baboon-ou find some examples to the contrary. The burden of proof lies with them . . . and if the best they've got are those comments of mine quoted at the top of this thread then they should rather start wiping all the egg off their stupid faces now.
24 Feb 2015, 10:03#26
I think that's accurate too.
24 Feb 2015, 11:16#28
Talk about gullible with a "G".......I saw Elvis and Lord Lucan having a beer together yesterday; honest I did.......
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
24 Feb 2015, 13:19#29
Yeah right . . . and I have a friend of a friend who knows someone who posts on the same board as the cousin of the hairdresser who cuts the Chiefs coach's hair and he said Tomas had a Spanish accent . . . so therefore he must be a fraud.
Does that sound familiar moolaa?
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Feb 2015, 13:59#30
The Ed confirmed it was Thomas.......he said that it all had to do with IP addresses and where the Argies team was at the time......it all matched up
GEgeneraltit
Pro3,164 posts
24 Feb 2015, 14:37#31
Case closed...the evidence against the doubting Thomas's (no pun intended) is overwhelming...as I said thank goodness you clowns will never serve on a jury (except forbid it not Mozart in the States ).
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Feb 2015, 15:28#32
No Ed confirmed the person who was posting with the e mail address that was supposedly Tomas' was geogrphically in the same place as the Argentinian team. Slight difference.
24 Feb 2015, 15:31#33
Do you lot never let anything go ? Nope, silly me. I already know better than to ask that question !
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
24 Feb 2015, 15:39#34
"Hi Ruckers
We've been following this post in the background with some curiosity.
We decided to make use of our resources to try and get some truth out of the matter.
Whilst
we may not divulge too much information we have it on good authority,
and some factual information that we do (or did until recently) indeed
have an Argentinian international rugby player posting on the Ruckers
Forum.
I hope that this clears up the matter.
Have a great weekend!
Yours in Rugga
Ed"
I wonder why the resident board liar is banging on about e-mails and geography?
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
24 Feb 2015, 15:50#37
Saffex, the Tomas Lavanini denialists are starting to sound like the global warmi ng denialists.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Feb 2015, 15:50#38
Perhaps Ole is the team masseur or a camp follower who can actually write a paragraph in correct English.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Feb 2015, 16:29#39
Mozart
What a load of baloney you come up now? You have already got egg all over your face and shirt and you want to add to it by writing really pathetic comments.
Best advice - accept that you were not correct in this case and stop writing drivel.
