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The Ole Cruz files...revisionism bites the dust

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Feb 2015, 22:56
#81
25 Feb 2015, 22:56#81

 While the egg is dripping off you bloated face, you might want to check this detail:

 

 

The Imposter

Documentary FilmTrailer The Imposter is a 2012 British-American documentary film about the 1997 case of the French confidence... Wikipedia Data from: Freebase   So I suppose the British Writer had it wrong. Lie down man you are toast.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Feb 2015, 23:32
#82
25 Feb 2015, 23:32#82
 More Egg

"Layton sees the film's box office success – it's the highest-grossing documentary of the year in the UK – as indicative of wider acceptance of a new grammar in documentary filmmaking. The same goes for its shortlisting by the Academy's often conservative documentary committee, which he wasn't expecting."


So the AAs has a problem with the spelling used by the highest grossing "docuumentary" of the year....in, wait for it, the UK. So much for the British spelling taboo.  What a self inflicted wound....being a gotcha smartass sometimes doesn't quite work out.
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becsPro4,378 posts
25 Feb 2015, 23:40
#83
25 Feb 2015, 23:40#83
Mozart, the film is set in America, about an American incident....of course the Americanised version would be used in the title. I don't see your point here ? 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Feb 2015, 00:06
#84
26 Feb 2015, 00:06#84
It's not the American version, both spellings are in use. The Director and prime mover is British. He apparently had no qualms with his first film going out with the title "Imposter". Nor did the British critics or South African born critic Guy Lodge who wrote the review I read. Attacking a totally acceptable, in use, spelling of a word on a rugby site smacks of desperation.
"It's irresistible material for any movie – non-fiction or otherwise – and it's easy to see why Layton, a young, London-born documentarian previously best known for the UK television series “Banged Up Abroad,” was drawn to it for his first feature film. Layton first encountered the story by chance, while flipping through a magazine at a friend's house in Spain; he knew he wanted to do something with it, but didn't quite know what."

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becsPro4,378 posts
26 Feb 2015, 00:14
#85
26 Feb 2015, 00:14#85
 We do not use that spelling. If I had used that at school or university, it would not have been accepted, like humor, Timor, harbour etc. The only time those spellings are acceptable is when referring to a situation, Pearl Harbor, a quote or if one was using a situation, such as this one. It happened in the U.S., this is how he would have been referred to in your Press and it is perfectly obvious. You are, yet again, simply trying to point score. It doesn't wash. Arguing for arguments sake is pointless. And we will not all adopt the Americanised misspelling of words to suit the U.S.As for this chap being best known for a series like that !!!!! Well, amazing credentials. I am glad he has broken free from that dross. 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Feb 2015, 00:18
#86
26 Feb 2015, 00:18#86
  
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February 25, 2015, 12:49:24Ou Maaik, the egg-faced and doddering old fool who started this thread would never admit it, but I bet he's wishing he hadn't!

LMAO!




Hahahaha. No I am delighted I started this thread. It's always amusing to see an old lush take a break from horses long enough to make a total fool of himself.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Feb 2015, 00:49
#87
26 Feb 2015, 00:49#87
So becs you don't use "harbour"....odd. But check this from the Cambridge on line dictionary Becs. Oxford is exactly the same....impostor first, imposter as an alternative. Forgive me if I put a little more credence in Cambridge. Both spellings are in use.
 

impostor

noun [C] UK ( also imposter)  /?m?p?s.t?r/ US    /-?p??.st?/       
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Feb 2015, 04:40
#88
26 Feb 2015, 04:40#88
 It gets better, here's a book by British author Mark Dawson.....



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Feb 2015, 04:50
#89
26 Feb 2015, 04:50#89
 x
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Feb 2015, 05:19
#90
26 Feb 2015, 05:19#90
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Feb 2015, 05:22
#91
26 Feb 2015, 05:22#91
The ultimate imposter?
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
26 Feb 2015, 05:43
#92
26 Feb 2015, 05:43#92
 My Dad was a fan of Mark Dawson's mother .......Diana Dors
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Feb 2015, 06:30
#93
26 Feb 2015, 06:30#93

Understandable, they don't build them like that anymore. Still for those who wonder how you expose an IMPOSTER . This is a pertinent example:

 

 

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October 09, 2012, 15:54:24

Yes and Jimi Hendrix was a poster you are trying to emulate. But no matter. We'll accept you as this comic character. After all you once told me Rooinek was just a character you created, and had nothing to do with you.  I only hope Pepper knows more about rugby than that joke RooiAAS.


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Jalapeno!

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October 09, 2012, 15:59:05 So now Im a poster called Jimi hendrixl??? Wow! R there any posters that Im not? Do u think Im bean brain as well?


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Feb 2015, 06:31
#94
26 Feb 2015, 06:31#94
Well I think that just about does it......that's all folks!  
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
26 Feb 2015, 07:17
#95
26 Feb 2015, 07:17#95
Whew, talk about defensive! The foppish old fool has been pretty busy while I was asleep!
None of the bluster above changes the fact that the word "imposter" does not appear in the Chambers English dictionary. It is not an English word.
Next Moffie will be demanding we accept that the word "to" can also be spelt "too" in the sentence "who are we too believe?"
LMAO!
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
26 Feb 2015, 07:38
#96
26 Feb 2015, 07:38#96
English has not been spoken in America for years...lolz

 http://youtu.be/EAYUuspQ6BY


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Feb 2015, 07:46
#97
26 Feb 2015, 07:46#97

You say it doesn't appear in Chambers....hmmm....but it does appear in Cambridge and Oxford. I wonder how they would be ranked....hehehe....let's see. Could this be another humiliation? Admittedly we have a few special purpose books in here but it seems Oxford and Cambridge rank well above Chambers. Down goes Rooinek again, is the three knock down rule in effect?

 

1 The Compact Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary, 2 Vols w/Reading Glass
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Feb 2015, 08:30
#98
26 Feb 2015, 08:30#98
 I would say its game set and match. 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Feb 2015, 08:44
#99
26 Feb 2015, 08:44#99
 Moz, my " Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary" 6th edition,  only lists "impostor". I know it's a bit dated, but not that old.  I would have spelled it with an "e" too, but thanks to this thread I won't forget the proper spelling ever again. Thanks guys!
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
26 Feb 2015, 09:05
#100
26 Feb 2015, 09:05#100
I have a Chambers and an Oxford dictionary at home and neither one lists the word "imposter" as a word or as an alternative to "impostor" . . . but here's this idiot (and an American idiot no less . . . an American idiot who cannot spell a 2-letter word like "to") who has found a website saying the Yank Merriam-Webster dictionary carries more weight than Chambers.

LMAO!

Let this pompous old fool carry on making it his life's mission to prove himself right on this one while his Alpha Gimp Baboon-ou cheers him on. It's hilarious. Talk about obsessed!

"Imposter" is not an English word. It's more like an . . . ummm . . . "impostor"!

Waaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!

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moolaaPro2,380 posts
26 Feb 2015, 10:59
#101
26 Feb 2015, 10:59#101
 Give up Rooinek, you're becoming an embarrassment to yourself and the rest of us.Anyone who is stupid enough to think Ole Cruz was genuine shouldn't be commenting on the English language, let alone lecturing people about it.....Cheers from the "Wastelands"!
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
26 Feb 2015, 11:48
#102
26 Feb 2015, 11:48#102

 Careful moolaa, you've dared to disagree with the spellcheck Nazi and you've also dared to agree with Moz.

Be prepared to be slagged off, he'll start off by slagging your place of residence, then your literacy followed by being a Gimp or brown nose or whatever dumbass crap spews from his cakehole. Finally he'll slag off your family.


It's pretty simple getting onside with the psychotic Rooinek....all you have to do is to hate, Mozart.



OBTHW Rooinek......thought you were bragging about how you were ignoring Mozart......can you provide me with the Chambers definition of the word, ignore?


tx

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Feb 2015, 15:48
#103
26 Feb 2015, 15:48#103

Draad nobody is saying that "impostor" is not the first spelling of the word. But if you google it you find 6300000 "impostors" and 4630000 "imposters". So "imposter" is in very general use. I found newspaper headlines from the US, UK and Oz with "imposter", books with ' imposter" and movies with "imposter".

 

I don't know how old you dictionaries are, but if you simply google the word, both the Oxford and Cambridge on line dictionaries give "imposter" as an alternative....as does my second edition Oxford "American Desk Dictionary and Thesaurus".

 

But here's the real laugh, this is what you get if you search the Chambers Dictionary....the AAS' preferred source:

 

Consult Chambers 21st Century Dictionary, The Chambers Thesaurus (1996) or Chambers Biographical Dictionary (1997 edition with amendments). Enter your search and choose your title from the drop-down menu.

    

 

   

Search results for 'imposter':

impostor or imposter noun someone who pretends to be someone else in order to deceive others. Compare impersonator under impersonate.
ETYMOLOGY: 16c: from French imposteur, from Latin imponere to impose

 

 

 

You have to admit, that's pretty funny!

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Feb 2015, 16:13
#104
26 Feb 2015, 16:13#104
 Moz, it is obvious that "imposter" has become acceptable over the last decade or so. My Oxford was published in 2000.I understand the context of your argument and have no problem with it, but grammar and spelling arguments seems such a waste of time. Funny though, my Google spellchecker also have a problem with that way of spelling it.  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Feb 2015, 17:13
#105
26 Feb 2015, 17:13#105

Don't use spell checker be a man not a gimp Draad

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Feb 2015, 17:53
#106
26 Feb 2015, 17:53#106
 I take enough flack not to leave the door too open for the grammar nazzies as well. And it doesn't always work either.
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becsPro4,378 posts
26 Feb 2015, 22:15
#107
26 Feb 2015, 22:15#107
 Right, I have to apologise for my iPad going crazy last night and coming up with the word Timor and my spelling of harbour...which we do use.....not the stupid Americanised, drop a few vowels when we feel like it and speak phonetically...words such as Harbor.
I also could not reply earlier as I have been busy today having tests, so I apologise for the delay in my response. 

Impostor is the word used, and was the only one given in my Dictionaries, as it comes from the Latin. As you should be aware, many words have their origins from this source and we use them to this day.The word imposter was a mangled version of the French imposteur and became fashionable for a time, thus appearing in certain works of Literature but quickly fell out of favour and didn't ever really reach the usage of the common man.
As with many words used in the New World countries, they became a mangled version of many languages or just the way those who emigrated there spoke English phonetically. Which is why we have American English today.And you should know, Mozart, that words will get placed into a Dictionary simply because they are now used by many people...like Selfie. It doesn't mean a thing. It just means a word is used so much it can even supercede the correct usage or spelling of the correct word. And that happens more and more now that Google/Apple and Microsoft are ruling the world.

Some of us that actually speak the language of our birth, and of our forebears, will continue to do so. No matter whatever anyone else has to say about the matter.
And while we're about it...we won't be " reaching out or going forward ", to name but two ridiculously overused Americanisms. Unless we happen to be actually doing either of those things. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Feb 2015, 23:50
#108
26 Feb 2015, 23:50#108
To be honest I generally prefer the traditional English spelling....harbour vs harbor etc. And  I hate new words like normalcy, now used liberally on both sides of the Atlantic, when a perfectly elegant word like normality is available.

Imposter, however, looks better to the eye than impostor. Being in the States you have to be somewhat flexible about all this, or give the appearance that you don't know how to spell over here.
Still, if it appears in the Oxford dictionary it can hardly be called a spelling error can it? Maybe just a lapse in taste.
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