DEDezertFox
Pro2,288 posts
30 May 2015, 05:10#1
It is commonly thought that todays Polynesian inherited their body type from the early explorers who navigated the Pacific. The muscle type for the survival of these people was predominantly fast twitch. Fast twitch muscle fibres, particularly type iib. Polynesians have far greater amounts of these muscle fibres than other ethnic groups and it is believed this is why they excel at rugby. A muscle that contracts quickly, providing quick burst of power, strength and speed has seen the Polynesian dominate. The flipside to this benefit is that fast twitch fibres fatigue more quickly. So on a genetic level the Polynesians have something which transcends size and weight! Something to consider anyway before we embark on a team of Bokus Gigas.
30 May 2015, 07:59#2
...y'mean like Nadolo, Kerevi, Kuridrani ,Speight, Naholo, Osborne and the Fijian Sevens team...well they aint Polynesians...but historically Polynesians have been part of their diet...
30 May 2015, 10:05#3
But they do leave others lying there fast twitching.....
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 May 2015, 10:47#4
All one needs to do is pick a decent backline and tackle them hard and they tend to wilt. Joggie Jansen terrorised that guy Williams. Flattened the poor oke.
Alistair Coetzee puts in microlights and the Stormers forwards have to work overtime covering the backline.
The fastest guys when it comes to running are black. You will not see any polynesians dominating sprints in athletics.Hopefully we will in time get decent sized blacks coming into the game. However our blacks here are not the same as the big West African blacks. Nevertheless we should still be able to get in a number of big and very fast blacks.
In any even the white gene pool dominated nz for decades as we all know. Problem here is we are loosing far, far too many players to the NH parasites and our coaching in our three major franchises has been way behind the curve.
Lastly, as I have mentioned before, we think we are soooo clever when we turn fast backs into loose forwards. Spiesies is a classic case. Leave them as backs.I see ou kwagga Smith at 88 kg fancies himself as a loose forward!! This is as daft as not playing Kolbe at scrummie - he would be far superior to Aaron Smith for example.
meanwhile wee victor (106 kg) at 38 fancies himself as a center and is allowed to play there!!
Lets face it oaks the brains are not even coaching here in South Africa. Jake, Rassie, Mallet and Venter are all sidelined.
We need brains at the top and we have Hoskins! Theo Wakefield!! Lardy John heads up the sharks with zero credentials for the position. Coetzee flops as the Bok backline coach and gets rewarded by being made Stormers head coach. Ludeke flops at the Lions and gets top job at Bulle. Loubscher with zero top experience is the Bok backline coach. Treu is brought onto the stormers coaching staff - this may have a little merit.However who has to prove himself these days by achievement. Top coaches like those mentioned are ignored. It is a complete mess.
Then on top of this no action is taken about consistent bent down under refs.No plan seems to be coming forth to stem NH pillaging.
Beeno a lone voice of reason crying in the wilderness!
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 May 2015, 10:49#5
All one needs to do is pick a decent backline and tackle them hard and they tend to wilt. Joggie Jansen terrorised that guy Williams. Flattened the poor oke.
Alistair Coetzee puts in microlights and the Stormers forwards have to work overtime covering the backline.
The fastest guys when it comes to running are black. You will not see any polynesians dominating sprints in athletics.Hopefully we will in time get decent sized blacks coming into the game. However our blacks here are not the same as the big West African blacks. Nevertheless we should still be able to get in a number of big and very fast blacks.
In any even the white gene pool dominated nz for decades as we all know. Problem here is we are loosing far, far too many players to the NH parasites and our coaching in our three major franchises has been way behind the curve.
Lastly, as I have mentioned before, we think we are soooo clever when we turn fast backs into loose forwards. Spiesies is a classic case. Leave them as backs.I see ou kwagga Smith at 88 kg fancies himself as a loose forward!! This is as daft as not playing Kolbe at scrummie - he would be far superior to Aaron Smith for example.
meanwhile wee victor (106 kg) at 38 fancies himself as a center and is allowed to play there!!
Lets face it oaks the brains are not even coaching here in South Africa. Jake, Rassie, Mallet and Venter are all sidelined.
We need brains at the top and we have Hoskins! Theo Wakefield!! Lardy John heads up the sharks with zero credentials for the position. Coetzee flops as the Bok backline coach and gets rewarded by being made Stormers head coach. Ludeke flops at the Lions and gets top job at Bulle. Loubscher with zero top experience is the Bok backline coach. Treu is brought onto the stormers coaching staff - this may have a little merit.However who has to prove himself these days by achievement. Top coaches like those mentioned are ignored. It is a complete mess.
Then on top of this no action is taken about consistent bent down under refs.No plan seems to be coming forth to stem NH pillaging.
Beeno a lone voice of reason crying in the wilderness!
30 May 2015, 11:10#6
What the fark is this white gene pool nonsense ,more of your racist rantings I guess.Idiot.
DEDezertFox
Pro2,288 posts
30 May 2015, 11:20#7
Genetically we are all linked but through micro evolution - or what I prefer to call micro adaptation. Each ethnic group has distinct traits. That isn't racism, but an easily discernible truth. The point to my post was to highlight the reality that the Islander's propensity for success in rugby, particularly backline positions, goes beyond just being "big and heavy". They have, through genetic adaptation through their generations, developed a higher level of a specific muscle type that lends itself quite well to certain sports, like rugby in this instance. The black population Beeno references also have a much higher degree of these fibre types, but not on the scale of the Islanders. Added to that, they have developed a higher propensity for mesomorphism. Its extraordinary how such a small population produces such a concentration of these natural power athletes.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 May 2015, 11:37#8
ou warped doesnt understand objective discussions re genes. Its okay if Polynesians are being praised but not okay if whites or blacks get praised.Ou warped sure has a huge chip on his shoulder. What a DUD this oak is!!
Card wapred DUD cant discuss things.
Card can you explain then why when watching the 100 meters at the Olympics the line up is almost if not entirely black. AND PLEASE WARPED DUD PLEASE KEEP YOUR RACISM OUT OF THIS SCIENTIFIC CONSIDERATION.
Blacks (And it seems that it is West African blacks) have to be the fastest runners on the planet much as poor warped DUD wants to believe otherwise. THIS OAK HAS A BIG CHIP ON HIS SHOULDER FOR SURE! Such a revealing comment by warped DUD given what had gone before.
DEDezertFox
Pro2,288 posts
30 May 2015, 11:58#9
The Islanders love their rugby Beeno. I think they are more single-minded in that preference than New Zealand itself!
As for the Africans. I haven't read anything conclusive just yet, but there does appear to be certain differences in body mass and composition compared to Western counterparts. But it's a tetchy subject when it comes to Africans and you have to get through the racism of Macro Evolutionists (Darwinism) and overly pro-Black scientists that propagate false information to favour their in-group. But when all is said and done, it is clear to the casual observer that there is a point of advantage there to the Black Africans. But back to the issue of muscles, studies have shown that East Africans are aerobically better and West Africans anaerobically better. Slow twitch fibers as found in the Eastern Black populations, and your classic ectomorph, split ATP at a much slower rate and are highly resistant to fatigue. The fast twitch fibres are the opposite.
Another interesting topic is that of conversion between types. There are some disagreements, but some experts believe it is possible to change your slow twitch muscles into fast twitch, or to train in such a way that your slow twitch muscle fibers adapt and behave more like fast twitch fibers. That would mean many of our white athletes would have to consider a change in how they train i f they wanted to compete in certain sports where the Islanders and Blacks excelled.
30 May 2015, 14:30#10
Beandik its just more of your usual nonsense ,what the fark would a halfwit like you know about our people or country ? " the white gene pool dominated NZ for decades as we all know " Really ? how ? when ?News to us actual Kiwis but I guess a genius like you knows better .And you base that on what ? On your own sad history in your country ? Just keep your idiot ramblings to what you should know you ingrate .You are always cloaking your inbuilt racism in your stupid little rantings but when you get down to it you are just a nasty litttle racist .Next time you see a big Polynesian dude how about you take him to task for being so 'servile " as you put it .Enjoy having your sad little ars.e handed to you dikhead.

sharkbok
Captain23,285 posts

sharkbokCaptain23,285 posts
30 May 2015, 22:35#11
The Polynesian success is based largely on having backs that are bigger, but also have passing skills and stepping ability.
We can choose a big player in the backline but that would probably be a cart horse. Frans Steyn at 118kg is probably our biggest backline player ever- but he lost his step instantly as he got bigger- not just when he was fat.
When opposing backlines play against teams with big polynesians backs they have 2 choices.
1. Choose small skillful backs that may struggle in contact (defence and attack). e.g. Kolbe, Senatala, Brent Russell.
2. Choose bigger plays which average passing and catching skills, and less of a step- combined hopefully with occasionally 100Kg+ players .with skills
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 May 2015, 22:44#12
Sharkbok
Fransie is still fat - he is developing a nice boepie and that will grow bigger all the time. He lost his pace and his step and struggle as a result of an untreatable knee problem - which is likely the result of being overweight.
DEDezertFox
Pro2,288 posts
31 May 2015, 00:29#14
What makes Island backs so dangerous is their sudden burst of explosive power as they move that weight quickly off the mark. It's perfectly suited to backline play as you need those attributes to be a strong runner! It's interesting how the small coloured players are able to hold their own against much bigger players. Last week Kolbe physically dominated Higgingbottom, and there was also Gio who man-handled Muliaina, Nonu and Rocokoco. Whereas white players of similar size are simply blown away. I do believe muscle types and genetic heritage give these ethnicities some form of natural advantage.
DEDenny
Captain12,893 posts
31 May 2015, 08:37#15
There ain't no secret.....they're athletic and love to run the ball. Only a fool would attempt to imitate what comes naturally to them.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 May 2015, 13:42#17
Well I note how the Lions backline outplayed the Warts.
Please read my erudite post about the Stormers win over the Cheetas. Some oaks here need to get help in.undertanding the game. Ou Sharkboks comments are hilarious and I address his folly there. Hahahahaha
The Boks in many cases have had better backs than the wee abs.
We have been getting iy very wrong but thankfully the Lions are teaching all a lesson and BIG EGG HAS LANDED ON THE UNIFORMED SAYING WE CANT RUN THE BALL. BEENO AND MALLET ON THE SAME PAGE.
31 May 2015, 13:46#18
and here I was thinking the Lions had alot of help from the ref
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 May 2015, 13:48#19
Thanks brycy for the info. For simplicity sake though lets call.them the PIs?
I also note merely in passing that ou warped DUD is extremly Pi ssed off (PO) about been found out again re his racist views! Whahahahahahahaha!
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 May 2015, 13:53#20
Hacked waugh that comment reflects very poorly on your so called thinking.
It is a comment worthy of warped DUD himself!
The warts got a scrupulously fair deal as Mallet said. Beeno and Mallet on the same page.
04 Jun 2015, 01:13#21
I do worry about what page that is Beanhead
POpolyboy
Club Pro601 posts
04 Jun 2015, 02:02#22
Brycy you are right in that Fijians are classified "Melanesian" however what is also know is that in ancient times there was contact between Fijians and Tongans via voyaging canoes and it is thought that some of the modern Fijian are probably Melanesian/Polynesian Hybrid. Lestat another thing about Polynesians genetics is that they over time became efficient at storing fat which researchers feel was reponse to the long months spent voyaging on open waters and was probably an adaption to possible shortage of food, hence athletes like SBW who was built like a brick sh.t house and MMA fighter Mark Hunt who was built like a shorter, fatter brick sh.t house but hits like an 18 wheeler truck.
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
04 Jun 2015, 09:43#23
Generalizations about race & characteristics (even positive ones) are a slippery slope. I just watched a documentary on Himmel & his extermination of Jews & Slavs & other "sub-human" races was based on generalizations.
Even if science & research "proves" differences it is safer to assess individuals not races.20% of the Polish population was killed in ww2, I live in the street that had the wall of the ghetto running through it. Anyway, let's face it when we pick players for our fantasy rugby team we pick based on individual performance not race so essentially you all agree, right?
04 Jun 2015, 10:13#24
I agree JW, we must tread very carefully when it comes to race, but certain sections of the worlds population just have certain traits. It simply cannot be argued. Chinese, Japanese, Tai etc are generally short. West Africans are generally tall. Pacific islanders are often big and athletic. People of Scandinavian and D utch decent are generally tall and big. Black Africans have curly hair, Chinese almost always have straight hair. Its not racist, it is just the way things are.
JW do you actually stay in Poland? Sorry if I have missed something obvious.
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
04 Jun 2015, 10:51#25
BlueBlok: yes I live here but will probably move to the US in two years - still a kiwi though
04 Jun 2015, 11:09#26
Interesting! You must be the only person on the site posting from Poland! And also the only rugby fan there!
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
04 Jun 2015, 11:42#27
Surprisingly they have a men's & ladies rugby team in Warsaw. They heard my accent & wanted me to help out with the coaching, same happened when I was in the US. They reckon the accent has to be worth at least 7 points , lol Some might say it would influence the ref
04 Jun 2015, 12:55#28
Similar happened to me in the Aussie Army ,RSM looks at me and goes " all you farking Kiwis play this bloody game so your it for Cap ,and if you lose to those #@%$^soles from HQ 3Div you wont be seeing your missus or anyone elses missus for a very long farking time ...matey !"RSM PTI was a dyed in the wool VFL fan .
DEDezertFox
Pro2,288 posts
04 Jun 2015, 12:58#29
My mistake Brycy, I was aware of Micronesia and Malenesia, but was certain Fiji was part of P olynesia as I have encountered a couple of Fijians who referred to "us" as Polynesians!
04 Jun 2015, 15:26#30
Lestat, its called an identity crisis - we even have Chinese Fijians .
Too funny Wardad
Nice one JW ps dont mention "influence the ref" to Beanhead
BObobbok...
Captain10,129 posts
BObobbok...Captain10,129 posts
06 Jun 2015, 03:05#31
Generalization but they're are blessed with the ideal physiology for gladiator type sports like rugby & league ......... in Australian league 40% of players are now of Polynesian/Maori descent, & in fact the Aussie rugby team on their EOYT had a similar % mix .