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This is the worst possible draw for All Blacks - and the best for fans; Chris Ratue

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 Oct 2015, 08:02
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12 Oct 2015, 08:02#1

Sports lovers, hold on to your hats. The quarter-final match against France in Cardiff, and all the history that goes with it, is what great World Cup contests are all about.

Sport is a movable feast but in the rugby tournament we keep coming back to the same delicious table. The All Blacks may claim that the past is just that, but not the rest of us.

France and World Cups equal glory and disaster. And if you love an epic, and can get over the notion that the All Blacks have to win every World Cup, it's time to revel in what we are about to receive, whatever the outcome.

VidMake no mistake - meeting France in a World Cup quarterfinal is among the worst possible draws for the All Blacks.

The French have a history of upsetting the All Blacks and will be charged up after ordinary efforts in the pool games. The All Blacks meanwhile have not been tested properly while allegedly fiddling about in third gear, and don't know the French the way they know their southern hemisphere opponents.


This clash in Cardiff is a 50-50 call for my money.

In days past, and their 1999 World Cup blitz against the All Blacks is the prime example, outbreaks of blistering attack typified French rugby. Sweeping moves would appear from under the carpet. Backs and forwards united, guided by something French that we don't totally understand.

But that was before bus loads of coaches, mental skills development psycho-analysis life gurus, Olympic class weightlifters and laptop junkies got hold of rugby players. The chances of anybody launching the sort of sustained assault that France conjured out of nowhere against the 1999 All Blacks are close to zero. Top level test rugby can't be played like that anymore.

But France are still more than capable of disorienting the World Cup favourites in other ways. And the previous so-called disasters will help fertilise the seeds of doubt in the New Zealand camp and on the field especially if things don't go their way.

France are being portrayed as a team in decline but so are the All Blacks. Nehe Milner-Skudder has added fizz, and Ben Smith looks raring to go. But many of their starters are veterans over the hill or not in best form.

History, history, history. It is all over this game, and the 2011 final victory hardly calms the nerves.

Many thought the 2011 showdown would be a cake walk for the All Blacks at Eden Park, a ground where opponents fear to tread. This view was largely reached because France were out of form and in open disarray. There was a split between coach Marc Lievremont and the squad - he even criticised players as "spoiled brats" for going out on the town after beating Wales in the semifinal.

"(They are)always complaining, always whining and they've been at me for four years," he said.

His next words are more significant though.

"It seems to be our way of functioning. I also told them I have a lot of affection for them," he said.

Despite the setting and the build up, France turned up with tremendous, unforgettable force and were not even disrupted by an early All Black try at Fortress Eden Park. Maybe the French will conjure up an argument among themselves this week. But don't be fooled. The All Blacks often  draw the best out of France, whatever the circumstances.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 Oct 2015, 08:03
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12 Oct 2015, 08:03#2
 Chris Ratue, always taking the contra view in the hope one day he will be right.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Oct 2015, 08:10
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12 Oct 2015, 08:10#3

 Rat ou is correct about it being a worrying quarter for the wee abs but why he calls the wee abs the favourites is of course a mystery. The wee abs could well not make the semis and their chances of then beating the Mighty Boks are slim.

France played smart and got the quarter final they wanted. They will recall how they outplayed the wee abs in the last RWC in Nz and were only denied the cup by a dismal performance by our own Craig Joubert - it deeply pains me to say this!

 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 Oct 2015, 08:48
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12 Oct 2015, 08:48#4
Beeno, yes the chances of the Mighty All Blacks beating the ha*l**ss boks are slim because the Boks will not go far in the knock out phases - we will be saying sayonara to Meyer's boys soon. Going up against the brave but wounded Welsh gives you a glimmer of a chance but is it enough?
The wee Blossoms did well last night & their bravery, organisation & precision once again proved too much for lesser teams.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
12 Oct 2015, 09:18
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12 Oct 2015, 09:18#5
 
Yeah ... I was very proud of my boys.

They smacked the USA as expected.

Well done Japan.

You guys have made you people proud.

Hope this is the start of many good things to come.

Think I must learn Japanese and go live there among those brave people ... be a breath of fresh air in comparison to the losers this side.


CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
12 Oct 2015, 09:28
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12 Oct 2015, 09:28#6
 Beeno good to see your predictions are based on sound logic as usual. Boks must be the unluckiest sporting team in world history to constantly be dudded by officials. Abs will not skip a beat defeating France.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2015, 09:37
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12 Oct 2015, 09:37#7
 JW
I have some reservations as well.  Rattue raised some comments - which could be problematic.  Firstly - there are some real evidence from past history of the French involvements in WC's that rings true.
I am also a bit worried about the tendency portrayed by the NZ to regard WC winning players of 2011 be irreplaceable.   That tendency by other teams have resulted in no country winning the WC twice in succession.
The form of the AB's was also a bit patchy in the WC pool games this year - even against minor teams they showed some lapses not expected from the AB's.   
That is why I won't put money on the outcome of the relevant quarterfinal.  I do think the AB's will win - but an upset is not an impossibility.                  
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
12 Oct 2015, 10:31
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12 Oct 2015, 10:31#8
 Yes, upsets are always possible & there is the power of being the underdog. The pressure will be on the ABs as usual. Normally they respond positively to this pressure but all sports outcomes are uncertain, that's what keeps us watching & following every heart beat of our teams
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