Is Lomp a great lineout forward....nope pretty average.
A great tackler....nope Kaino shows that
A particularly good kick off receiver....nope
Rugged.....Etzebeth put the lie to that
So we are left with his ‘powerful runs’....but it turns out he’s not that good at that either.
Because in a game in 2015 missed a very difficult tackle on Kaino he is according to Mozart a poor defender, In that semi De Jager played for 50 minutes and made 14 tackles missing 2. In the 30 minutes Matfield played he made exactly 3 tackles,
In the WC final this year Mozart welcomed the injury of De Jager and claimed that Mostert as replacement prevented the Springboks from losing the game - which obviously was total BS.. Mostert cannot tackle a player without that player going forward in the tackle - in other words physically deficient tackles, When Mostert missed standard and easy tackles in the Argentine RC game and against the AB's in the WC - Mozart claimed that the reason for the misses was Du Toit, However, it was obvious that Erasmus came to realize that Mostert is a deficient tackler and the AB test in the WCC was his last starting test.
Mozart claims about Mostert saving the Springboks related to the 5 minutes the English was on constant attack near the try-line, Mostert made two weak tackles - so weak that you reckoned he missed them,. All the forwards manned up in those 5 minutes the best defenders were Etzebeth, Du Toit and Malherbe, the latter making two effective tackles on Billy Vunipola that prevented him scoring a try.
Mozart
When does a player get run over in a tackle? As far as I get it it happens when a player is trying to make a face to face tackle and is unsuccessful in that. The term does not apply to a player coming from the side trying to make a tackle such as the case was in the De Jager miss on Kaino - but does apply to the two Mostert misses I referred to above.
It is amazing - in the more than 5 years since that test - nobody bar you and that Kindergarten imbecile blamed De Jager and De Allende for the two tries scored by the AB's in that test, IN both cases you have distorted what happened .
Is it not time that you start assessing incidents in matches objectively and stop your prejudice from taking over?
Actually Mostert replaced Lomp when Vunipola bumped into de Jager and left the poor dear on the deck.....then Mostert delivered the best tackling stats of the WC final. He was a warrior in the goal line stand.
So you think Rassie is a genius. I don’t. But if you do, how can you be smarter than him Dave? Erasmus picked Mostert from the start
I have to agree, Johnson was bog ordinary, but probably there because of his leadership and being the captain for England. Not I really liked the man, huge ego.
What about Frik Du Preez, he was the player of the century for SA, played lock and was a Freak, but he was actually on 1.89 cm for a lock which is in todays standard a flanker or a back line player
Mozart
You never learn from good advice; De Jager was injured when Vuinipila and two other players fell on top of him and the following is utter BS again:-
"Actually Mostert replaced Lomp when Vunipola bumped into de Jager and left the poor dear on the deck".
Will you ever learn to be honest on site?
You are such an easy target Dave. So Mostert was involved in too many losses? Here are the facts:
Lomp played in 45 tests and we won 24.
Mostert played in 39 tests and we won 24.
I trust you can do the simple division. Schplotttttttt!
Mozart
Why keep rep eating garbage on site. You were told repeatedly that that kind of comparison is to be used for evaluation of coaches.
De Jager played most of his tests under the Meyer and Coetzee disaster eras and was injured when Erasmus came in as coach, Mostert played no tests under Meyer, and played under the equally disastrous Coetzee.
Anyway what has not reached your besotted mind is that teams and not individuals lose matches but serial flops like Morne and Matfield in 2014 and 2015 could contribute to losses.
Mostert played in Erasmus’ awful 50/50 first year....the comparison is valid.
So Dave, I take it Mostert wouldn't make your top 1,000 locks?
Actually the real problem in 2018 was Dud Toit at lock......these are games he played:
Wales lost 20 to 22
Argentina won 32 to 21...in Durbs
England lost 11 to 12
France won 29 to 26
Mostert won 6 and lost 5 against tougher opposition including the away test vs Bargie vs the home test. And of course the win in NZ.
Dud’s your huckleberry.
What is this junk again, Mozart is a total wreck in abusing stats and the real situation again He is not bearing in mind that in the Wales test in 2018 Erasmus send a squad of players to Washington consisting of only 5 regular Springboks to play Wakes - for the rest it was an experimental team and most if the players tried out the first tine failed badly, This was more a trial match than a real test.
The same principle was used in the third England test in June 2018. In any event the idiot did not mention that loss. The November 2018 loss we have the continued idiocy blaming Du Toit for the fact that Marx made a mess of line-out throw-ins and admitted that he messed up, while Esterhuizen killed any potential chance of winning that test by isolating himself and losing possession in the final minutes of the game.
What the idiot missed out on was that both the two tests he mentioned was outside the test window period and the Springboks could not use foreign club players in the two tests - thus weakening the team as a whole. What was clear in other tests were that the Springboks lost the ability to use driving mauls from line-outs because of lack of physicality of Mostert,
As per normal Mozart ignored what really happened and the facts of the games he was always carrying on about. Fact is further that Mostert was for very good reason dropped from the starting team in the WC because of serious defensive flaws on his part and it is already clear that the WC final was the last test Mostert played for the Springboks. He is too physical deficient to feature again as a Springbok lock.
Anyway what has not reached your besotted mind is that teams and not individuals lose matches but serial flops like Morne and Matfield in 2014 and 2015 could contribute to losses.
I would say that the more Mozart attacks Du Toit as a player the sillier he becomes,
You can say that again and I’m sure you will. Unfortunately if you look at all Dud Toit’s games starting at lock the record is only 5 wins in 12 starts at lock. . The man was actually worse at lock than flank.
Prejudice in your case caused stupidity and that makes for a very real imbecile on site, There are people who use all means to assess player performances objectively and they made Du Toit and De Allende top class players, while you use distortion and basic dishonesty in assessing players in ane effort to discredit them,
So keep it up - it least it is always amazing to see what you will come up with next,
Dave
Frankly I do not see why any discussion on Mostert is necessary since I believe he has played his last test for the Springboks in the World Cap. He will not make the team in future - not even on the bench,
He left Gloucester together with Ackerman and of he was as good as some site members claimed he is - Gloucester would have tried to retain him. I think they tried him at 7 in some games as he was not physically adding to their Tight 5 and he was not good enough when the Lions tried him at 7.
The problem on this site is that some members for some reason or other never criticized Meyer as coach when he failed and praised failed players like Matfield when he returned from retirement, They criticized Erasmus when he was appointed based on false narratives about his coaching career and kept it up ever since, As to some players they hate they use totally false narratives about what happened in games and in some cases invent things that was totally unreal like the one myth about a try scoring opportunity that never existed when Le Roux made an unsuccessful effort to outrun Ford and Farrell claiming that Ke Roux carried the ball for about 20 meters and the incident happened in the 22 when in fact it was not even near the 22 line, Ford was tackled by Ford and managed to make a very poor pass to Kolbe who hung onto the ball and when tackled by the cover-defense, De Allende protected the ball ensuring that there was no possession turnover,
I was amazed when reading about the whole incident - it was described as a definite try-scoring opportunity - which it never was, The falsification of the facts became obvious - it was outside the 22 and never reached it while in the whole test Le Roux according to ESPN stats carried the ball for 8 meters showing that Mozart was lying about it.
I do not think one should bother too much about the malignant nonsense they come up with,
Hahahaha.....fool alert!
I’d select Mostert ahead of Dud in both positions.
He tackles as well, more often and has better sense of where to be defensively.
He is a much better lineout forward....both in terms of taking his own ball and in terms of poaching where he regularly leads the stats. He is also a better lineout tactician. This from the WC where he played fewer minutes than most:
1 Guido Pagadizabal (Argentina) – 5
2 Izack Rodda (Australia) – 5
3 Shannon Frizell (New Zealand) – 4
4 Franco Mostert (South Africa) – 3
5 James Ryan (Ireland) – 3
Admittedly he isn’t a great runner but nor is Dud....they both just reset the phase, but Mostert knows how to offload.
An Etzebeth/Snyman/Mostert at 7 combination rules the lineouts totally....and with Snyman and Mostert you have modern forwards who don’t die with the ball. Add a fetcher and a real replacement for Vermeulen....not one of the Deysel twins.
Perhaps you should read this Dave....from the 2018 Super Rugby team of the tournament:
5 – Franco Mostert (Lions)
Put simply, Franco Mostert was a beast for the Lions in 2018.
Whether he was playing on the side of the scrum or in his normal second row spot, Mostert led a forward pack that dominated proceedings in most matches they played in.
Individually, the 27-year-old was one of the standouts in not just the pack, but the entire team, as shown by his first-placed ranking in carries (133) and lineout wins (72).
Additionally, his second-placed rankings in tackle busts (25), tackles made (181), and opposition lineout wins (13), as well as a third-placed ranking in running metres (651), made him one of the most consistent players in Super Rugby.
It is no wonder that the Lions are so desperate to hang onto him despite Gloucester’s ambition to sign him earlier in the year.
The nutcase is the biggest fool ever on site. His support of Mostert in tests is taking the cake and his make up garbage about Du Toit is just total imbecility as expected. When Mostert got run over on two critical tests - one in the RC and one against the AB's in face to face tackles he blamed Du Toit for the misses.
He did not say a word by the flop of Mostert in the 41st minute of the first half in the WC final yay really prevented the Springboks from scoring a try. That was a real try-scoring opportunity - not an imagined one dreamed up by himself,
He missed the lack of physicality of Mostert and the deficiencies stemming from his lack thereof, A nutcase whose prejudice against Du Toit started years ago and since then he specialized in discovering BS situations that never happened in the way he described them to discredit the player,
He even had the audacity to quote a newspaper article of 2018 about Super Rugby and then lost the plot in the process again, In 2018 Erasmus asked the Lions to try out Mostert at no 7 and they did for three weeks. Mostert was tried and failed badly so after three weeks the experiment was called off.
By the way Mostert did go to Gloucester - where he was not the success the Club hoped for and they released him and allowed him to go and play rugby in Japan. There was obviously np effort by Gloucester to retain him - something they would have done if he represented value for money,
I am obviously happy that Erasmus selected the Springbok WC squad and not our local rugby illiterate, The latter would have picked a team that would have suffered another Japan disaster like the team whose selection he supported all-out did in 2015.
In any event his comments are always hilarious and he is lucky that the people who read his comments on the internet is amused by his total stupidity as well. All I can add is Happy Idiots Day to you Mozart. LMAO.
But Erasmus the man you revere kept Mostert in the team and adopted defence as his lead card... whereas you say Mostert isn’t club level and seuntjies running gloriously through open fields is the way to go.
Happy wankers day to you Perv!
That was because De Jager was injured and not available and bot decided to look for somebody else, So he asked the Lions to use Mostert at in the blindside flank position.
Well Dave, Mostert is a much more intelligent player. If you look at the try NZ scores against us in the 2018 home test you will see Mostert waving to Dud, showing him where he should be. Likewise I don’t think Mostert would have got trapped as Dud did in the Welsh test....he would have understood the need to cover the Welsh scrummie after Faf over committed.
I’d say Dud is better at the pick and go ....and that’s about it.
Campesi was as slow as a cart horse, but he was the most dangerous wing of the early 90s. Mostert isn’t a physical monster, just a very smart player who makes all the right moves.
Mozart
"Mostert a much more intelligent player" - how do you know that? Would Erasmus made him captain of the Springboks and demoted Mostert to the bench if that was so. That example you quoted nobody else saw any significance in. Fact is you are manufacturing BS you have no proof of and then make laughable statements on site,
But then - what you think is so obsessively prejudiced that anything you write on site becomes worthless tripe. So keep it up - you have no substance at all in what you "think",
By the way - this is a near to the previous record you set when you gave a detailed description op MATFIELD and then attributed it to Du Toit - at least the fellow players confirm the description as his nickname was KIEWIET based on his thin physical appearance, That one keep the record for rank stupidity on site and will most probably never be equaled by anybody,
This new one came very near to the level of idiocy you showed then - but warnings against you showing complete and utter ignorance of the game and of players seems to fall on deaf ears in all cases.
Campesi, McCaw, Mostert. Kolbe even Faf...players that don’t fit the physically dominant mode you insist on Dave. When are you going to learn....handsome is as handsome does.
In the case of Mostert Dave is dealing with a lock as part of the Tight 5 - and size and in backline players there is a difference, In the case of no 7 flank size is also an asset - but Mostert for reasons the coaching staff determined was a failure at 7 when tried in that position
Um.....wing requires pace, which Campesi never had, Scrumhalf has been ever increasing in size....Faf is a throwback, flank requires physicality.....you yourself noted McCaw isn’t physical enough....and locks have to be giants, Mostert clearly isn’t. Kolbe is too short....he shouldn’t be able to cover the high ball.
But all of them have been brilliantly successful at the highest levels. Which goes to show you.....heart and vision is just as important as the physical attributes
Wrong again - Snyman was his third pick and Erasmus called up Schickerling to one of his camps in 2019 and the problem was that Schickerling just came back from a rather serious injury and was shor t of game time. If the squad announcement was a month later Mostert would never have been in the WC squad, Fact.
