Top locks of all time....ranked

Wrong again - Snyman was his third pick and Erasmus called up Schickerling to one of his camps in 2019 and the problem was that Schickerling just came back from a rather serious injury and was  shot of game time.    If the squad announcement was a month later Mostert would never have been in the WC squad,    Fact.    

Dave 

I would like to refer you to a typical example where Mostert came physically short in competition,  

In the Aussie RC test in 2019 a try was scored that showed up how good both  De Jager and Du Toit really are,   Du Toit made a clean line break and then madr a box kick which was gathered by Jantjies who was tackled about two meters from the tryline.   The fact  is Du Toit was the first forward there to protect the ball and prevent a turnover,   Be it as it may the ball came back to De Jager - who forced his way through the Aussie forwards and scored a try,

In the Japan game before the WC an exactly a similar situation arose and that time it was Mostert who picked up the ball.   He was carried back 5 meters by the Japan forwards and the Springbok forwards  struggled to retain possession.

Obviously Mozart the scoring of the try against the Aussies totally and when I called him out on it his feeble comment was that the line break and kick by Du Toit meant nothing  and the ball could have bounced differently and there would have been no try,   That is exactly why Mozart's player evaluation is based entirely on prejudice on hi s part with no link to reality,       

Dave 

Mozart likes Mostert because of his physical resemblance to Matfiekd.  Light weight lock easy for lineout lifting - but the problem is that he is a liability when it comes to setting up rolling mauls.   At one stage the  Springboks rarely used driving mauls  because of Mostert weakness in the air and his s inability to resist initial pressure from the opposition.    

Personally I believe there i no chance that he would play for the Springboks again.      

Steph and Lood have shown themselves to be average at best at lineout time.

And Mostert has a serious problem - his open-field defense borders  on the non-existent  and that was why he failed when they tried him at 7.   For the rest he is questionable in attack and  often tackled back by opponents  - like the example given against Japan  and his tackles are weak as well,

Just  give me two examples where he did anything of note in tests in 2019?    Beware I have always  check inputs for BS.   

Somehow I don’t think so.....at that stage of the game Mostert was going to come on regardless which lock went off.  Our best locking pair was Etzebeth/Snyman.....but Erasmus never had great confidence in Snyman. He was too creative for the stodgy Erasmus game plan.

No Mozart 

Dave is 100% right here and what you think is twaddle,    What stodgy  Erasmus game plan are you talking about?   The one that beats England 32-12 in the RWC Final?

Why don't you think before you write garbage on site>?    You write  about a stodgy game of Erasmus - but what made it stodgy compared  to the non-existent Meyer Game plan in the Japan disaster and the rest of the 2015 RWC?

If you have nothing better and realistic to offer why pollute this sire with garbage?           

Erasmus simply adopted the Jake plan of strong defense and counter attack off turnover ball....the tries in our final conform to that. But unlike Jake he doesn’t encourage the offload.....I can’t even remember one offload the Boks made at the WC.

So I checked the knockout games....and we did offload  twice against Japan, twice against Wales and 4 times against England. Eight times in all...twice by Am....once by  Willie, Pollard, Bongi, Etzebeth, Marx and Frans. None by our two key  runners the Duds.

And here’s the thing we did it 8 times in 3 games.....the Poms offloaded 12 times in the Final alone. Unlike the Duds, Vunipola offloaded 3 times. Erasmus basically discouraged offloading the  one skill all the critics and this Board have been calling for us to develop for the last 10 years.

Of course I prescribed a return to the Jake game plan, only I never thought we had to outlaw offloading to do it.

Absolute junk again about Jaker's game plan.    His plan did not allow for backline usage on  attack and  an all-round game - that is why he had to get Eddie Jones in to try and save the SA team should they meet stronger opposition.   I can remember plenty of off-loads made by the Springboks.   How come with all the off-loads the Springboks scored much less tries in the 2007 WC than they scored in the 2019  WC?  

Be it as it may - your constant attacks on Erasmus is indicative of a out-of-control prejudice situation,   Erasmus left the White coaching staff because White's approach to the game and the players was directly opposite to his ideas about coaching.    

The fact is the questions remans -

*   why the continuous maniacal criticism of Erasmus,- the best coach SA had since 1995?

*   why did you never criticize Meyer as coach - incidentally he was the coach that banned off-loads?

*    why did you never attacked individual players  when they failed during the Meyer disasters other than Du Toit, De Allende and Kriel?

Every time you come up with garbage it is sillier than the previous effort - so far there were five "I think" statements in this thread alone by you and each one was more idiotic than the previous ones.

You obviously are really a brilliant economist - so why soil your intelligence when it comes to rugby issues?          

The fact is the questions remans -

*   why the continuous maniacal criticism of Erasmus,- the best coach S A had since 1995?

*   why did you never criticize Meyer as coach - incidentally he was the coach that banned off-loads?

*    why did you never attacked individual players  when they failed during the Meyer disasters other than Du Toit, De Allende and Kriel?

Facts?

01.There is no evidence of Erasmus being a competent coach at any level of the game. We've never had a head coach so heavily reliant on an assistant before. It reminds me of when Jake was an assistant coach in 2001 when the Sharks made the Super Rugby final against the Brumbies; Straeuli received all the plaudits, but when isolated from Jake, he was found out. All Rassie teams rely on a very rigid structure and defence, they attack with defence and kicks, though his Boks are an even more extreme incarnation of that model that is completely out of whack with the trends in the game - we are moving backwards, not forwards. 

02.Ban offloads? Meyer's Boks consistently, right to the end of his tenure, maintained a significantly higher attacking output. He didn't follow your plan for attacking Wales with an expansive game, because he understood how they defended (with their 9 and outer wing in the line, leading with an outside rush (Damian did attack wide early in that game and was turned over immediately, and they nearly ran it back for a try, by mere inches). You never learn. That game heavily exposed your lack of knowledge of basic rugby principles as well as knowledge of the opponent. I correctly predicted the game because I analysed the opposition, so did Meyer. 

03.Du Toit, Damian, Coetzee, JJ, Lambie, Reinach, Lood, Goosen are prime failures under Meyer. Granted Steph didn't feature very prominently, but he was the poster boy going into the WC, and failed. Kriel was nowhere. One of Meyer's biggest mistakes was not sticking with de Jongh. That one change could have been the one factor that made us champions. He was also highly adept at sealing the line outside the floundering Damian who lead the 2015 SR season for missed tackles. In the end, all of Meyer's critics here defended the players who performed the worst. What made those player's failures all the worse was that Meyer incorporated elements into the gameplan that they were most comfortable with. In Damian's case, he pulled up entire sequences of moves/patterns to accommodate him before moving to a limited game in the interior for the WC (and that became the blueprint for how to use Damian ever since). 

There is no genius to the Rassie model. Had Beast, a player you said should have retired, not dominated, we'd have no platform to have won that game. That was the factor that threw off their game. All the same clunky patterns and plays that have persisted throughout his tenure were present in the final. Deep lying units that develop slowly and are so predictable no one falls for them. The only difference was the occasional pass behind the first pod, something which was nothing new either. Defence and set-piece dominance. That was it. Thanks Nienaber, the architect of the 2019 victory. He seems like a nice guy, too nice if you ask me. Just someone that doesn't like the limelight and is content doing his job under the less talented José Erasmus. Sadly, we are the most outdated and one-dimensional team amongst all tier 1 and tier 2 nations. Were it not for physical dominance, we'd be no better than Russia. 

Now this is rich coming from a  person I rightfully call a  Kindergarten imbecile,   I cpouild start off:-

01.There is no evidence of Erasmus being a competent coach at any level of the game. We've never had a head coach so heavily reliant on an assistant before.

If you do not realize it yet Erasmus saved the Springbok team from the depths Meyer and Coetzee took them too.   When early in 2018 and even at the end of that year mnobody gave the Springboks a 1% chance to win the WCC and they were before the 2018 the no 7 ranked team in the world and at the end of 2018 the number 5 team in the world,  Erasmus was called worldwide a miracle maker in coaching and that is what he always was.    You missed out but Erasmus was in 2017 rated as the top coach in  the Guinness Top 14.

Nienaber learnt what he knows from Erasmus.   He was always his assistant where ever Erasmus went Nienaber went,   The claim that Erasmus was reliant on Nienaber is one of the biggest loads of BS ever on site.     

02.Ban offloads? Meyer's Boks consistently, right to the end of his tenure, maintained a significantly higher attacking output. 

I did not make the statement about banning off-loads being banned by Meyer -Vermeulen did in an interview after the Welsh test.    Be it as it may the fact that Meyer was a total disaster as a coach and was taking down should bear in mind that he took the Springboks down - same as he did with Stade Francaise.    After not being able to beat any team before he was fired - the team is back on the log in position 5 and  contenders for the Top 14 trophy.    Meyer never had a game plan other the one-dimensional 2004 game plan of the Bulls and no abilities i n coaching at all.   How many trophies did  the Springboks won from 2012 to 2015?

De Jongh who was the reason why the Stormers backline malfunctioned and they had the worst try-scoring record  in Super Rugby,    One of the biggest mistakes was to select De Jongh ahead of  Huw Jones when he had the latter available,  Anybody rating De Jongh as Springbok center knows zero about rugby,  

Your list of failures are not supported by proof.   I asked you for example for any rugby games in 2019 where Mostert stood out at lock and the answer was zero.  The rest of the players you listed are not prime failures and you cannot factually prove that they are.   In any event the jargon on them is based on ignorance and on defective rugby knowledge.   

I have never read such unsubstantiated  BS on site before,    Guess the rest of the world rugby experts are wrong and only you think you are right,    That is lunatic asylum stuff and you should really consult a  shrink.                            

Kitshoff has never been a dominant scrummager.....if one player crushed the Pom spirit in the WC it’s the Beast who totally dominated Dan Coles for a string of penalties. Get real.

Erasmus.....lost to the ABs and narrowly beat a poor Wales side. Then he got the Poms in the same mood as they were against France two weeks back. A game the Poms should also have lost but for the ref.

And then Erasmus refuses to compete in 2020, with a string of pathetic excuses blown up by the brave Bargies and their fabulous run in the new TN. All we got was the Chicken Run.....which will cost us next year. And has already cost us in the eyes of Rugby men. Nobody admires a chicken.

Four (4) penalties were given away by Coles an one (1) by Vunipila,   Of the four Coles penalties two was given away when he scrummed against Beach and  two against Kitshof.   Beast did a wonderful job  in scrumming - but he was not alone in that Department of the game who contributed to the scrumming success - the  scrum penalties continued after Beast left the field and whereas his contribution of two converted penalties on the first half another converted penalty followed after Beast was replaced/

Mozart - you are just making yourself  into a bigger rugby idiot with every contribution on site.   Your assumptions about Erasmus as coach are total garbage and disputed by all rugby experts.   Th at means that you should reconsider since it is a known fact that lunatics believe  they are the only same people in the world - the rest are all lunatics - that being the stage you have reached with your ravings on site,

The only real idiot on site claims Erasmus is a chicken - the joke of the century on this site - you will never accuse him of that to his face and if you do that you will end up in the asylum where taking your comments into account is where you belong, 

Dave 

I once gave a rating of the Springbok coaches since 1995 based on achievements and Erasmus was the top  coach of them all - followed by Kitch and Mallett.    Then came  White  and the bottom three were De Villiers, Meyer and Coetzee,    Please note that the latter three were all fired for gross incompetence  subsequently and  that put Mozart in a spot.    

He must keep up attacking Erasmus to cover up the fact that he was 100% wrong when it came to Meyer and Coetzee particularly and Mozart is too much of a self-opinionated buffoon to ever admit he was wrong on anything ever,    

Minute 44 the Beast goes off, minute 50 this  happens:

Before that incident  Coles were penalized twice when phasing Kitshof - one was on the Springboks 22 and the other was converted by Pollard - giving the Springboks a 15-6 lead on the game.  Something went wrong in that one scrum Mozart now carries on about,   I watched it repeatedly and noted that Cole was scrumming inwards and then got  up in the scrum - which under normal circumstances could be penalized as well.

But in any event the player penalized in that scrum, was Koch - not Kitshof so Mozart went off the rails again.    I wonder when he will ever be right?   

Mind you it is about the 7th  thing in this thread alone where he was caught out spreading BS onm site - so nothing new in this case as well    

Well obviously Rassie agreed with me once again.....Kitshoff is sound, but the Beast was clearly first choice and in my view even better than Vermeulen in the final.

Erasmus always has his  own ideas about issues - one of them was to have the props play about the same  length  of times of props  on the field - eg in the WC final the starters played for 43 minutes and the replacements for 37 minutes.    

I find the discussions on that issue amusing since it is clear that Mozart and AO wants to enhance Beast as the matchwinner of the Springboks  in the final - which in fact he was not,    He had an important role in the match -  but other players also had specific tasks to undertake/

I will give Mozart anther kick in the bud by referring to Du Toit who had to destabilize the English backline by neutralizing first Ford and thereafter Farrer so as to disrupt the functioning of the backline.   It worked like magic and the English backline never functioned properly in that game,    In essence players had their normal roles to fulfil - but others  had to deal not only with their normal functioning bearing in mind specific aims to be achieved.

Nobody ever queried the important role Beast played in the final  = but to use that as a means to attack Kitshof is unethical.

The Beast never had to rely on the color of his skin.....just like Habana and unlike Kolisi. Funny how Dud 1 had to help Dud2 tackle Farrell, I never thought he was that dangerous.

Nope....Kolisi was a political compromise, hell he went off early and Erasmus had Louw on when it counted. Am is way better than the robot Kriel. Kitshoff has never been as dynamic as the Beast.

Nope....Kolisi was a political compromise, hell he went off early and Erasmus had Louw on when it counted. Am is way better than the robot Kriel. Kitshoff has never been as dynamic as the Beast.

Kriel is inferior to Am in every way. So too Kits to Beast. Kolisi is the biggest black quota in Bok history, maybe even more than Deon Kayser. Absolutely no production. Literally 60%  of his tackles are attempted assists, even as little as a hand on the opposition. Useless. No other words for it. Leadership? How often is it Eben or Thor getting the team together and rallying them, with Steph and Kolisi just nodding passively? Too often. Worst Bok of the past 20 years easily. 

Myths aplenty on the part of that kindergarten imbecile,   He missed totally one incident  where Du Toit spoke to the sideline assistant ref to watch out for illegal scrumming by the English the scrum immediately after  the scrum Mozart wined about  above.   If  the  fact is what AO  came on about then one would expect that either Vermeulen or Etzebeth would have done the talking to the sideline ref..      The following was not really evident during the game:-

 "How often is it Eben or Thor getting the team together and rallying them,"    The only time when he forwards got together was when line=outs were discussed  and rallying of the team was imaginary BS,