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What happened in the case of Matfield

Started by clevermike26 REPLIES674 VIEWS· 14 Oct 2015, 20:06
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14 Oct 2015, 20:06
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During the press conference this morning  Meyer mentioned that he intended to play Matfield from the bench and that Matfield then indicated that he still has leg stiffness so he cannot play.'
This sound too much like a fairy tale to me,  It is likely that we will have to wait until a book is written by somebody on the inside to get clarity on the issue, I believe 
that the situation in fact is that  Meyer got scared away from splitting the Etzebeth - De Jager lock combination and told Matfield he will not start with him and instead play him from the bench,  Matfield  suddenly claimed leg muscle stiffness as an excuse not to be involved at all - even though over the weekend he claimed that he is fully recovered.
Matfield is an egocentric person.   After the departure of De Villiers he assumed the captaincy would automatically pass to him and that - if fit - that would automatically lead to his selection to the starting line-up.   It must have come as a rude awakening to him that he will not be captain if he has to play off the bench  and that Du Preez will remain as captain and Burger as vice-captain.   Worse still was the fact that he is being replaced by De Jager because the latter is at present a better player than he (Matfield) is.
I indicated previously that Meyer split the De Allende - Kriel center combination \ which partly accounted in the minds of elements in SA Rugby for the Japan disaster,   The fact is I do not think anybody was very happy after that loss and the pressure on Meyer was mounting.   If he went ahead and split the Etzebeth - De Jager lock combination and the Springboks lose the game against Wales - he would be out of a job quicker than quick    If he played them the effect of a loss would not necessarily lead to a similar degree of pressure.   Most people know that De Jager is a much better player Than matfield - hence my remarks in the preceding paragraph.    
        
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14 Oct 2015, 20:26
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14 Oct 2015, 20:26#2
Damian would have been fodder. 
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14 Oct 2015, 21:21
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 DF
Your constant rubbish you write about De Allende you forget about what the thinking people think about the situation - they do not share your childish notions on the issue - and there were constant problems as to negative perceptions about that affair - which earlier also raised its head after the loss in Durban against the Argentinians.
Matfield defnitely did not take kindly to the notion that he was not considered by Meyer did not consider him to start against the Welsh - would definitely has reacted negatively to the whole issue and what II wrote is possibly the result of that negative reaction.        
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14 Oct 2015, 21:36
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 Ou Tokkie's creativity and fantasies knows no boundaries............
It would not come as much of a surprise if we are soon made to believe that Northampton is trying to sell him off to Leeds United or some other football club. 
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14 Oct 2015, 22:05
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Mike, why do we have for wait for a book to be written when you already have all the inside info? I mean, a statement like this can surely only come from someone with a direct access to the players: 
"After the departure of De Villiers he assumed the captaincy would automatically pass to him and that - if fit - that would automatically lead to his selection to the starting line-up." 
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14 Oct 2015, 22:38
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14 Oct 2015, 22:38#6
Grimm's Fairy tales from Pinnochio.
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14 Oct 2015, 23:00
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14 Oct 2015, 23:00#7

Where there is smoke, ...


Shortly after Jake White took over as coach, Matfield returned to Pretoria with an injury excuse, but in reality he was unhappy with the way Jake treated him and he was looking for support from Heyneke, which he failed to get! Meyer in fact agreed with Jake, but could manage some peace between the 2 and Matfield then returned to the Boks.

Must say that I was surprise how quickly Jean returned to the Boks - to extinguish a simmering fire in the Bok camp? 


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14 Oct 2015, 23:16
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 Uhmmmm. Jake actually sent Matfield home on that occasion, Blikkies. I have Jake's book. It is packed away at the moment and I will have a look when I have a chance but I am sure that, in the book, he said that he actually sent Matfield back. 
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14 Oct 2015, 23:28
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Correct Ceradyne. We've seen this kind of smear campaign before with Frans. Then it was supposedly Frans at the centre of a coup d'etat. Whenever he gets the opportunity he puts the very same group of players in his little stories as villains. How pre dictable.
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14 Oct 2015, 23:33
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The Matfield lineout drives were unstoppable before he got sent off. Lood came on and had an excellent game. It is good to have that competition when the younger player takes over. 
Lood still has to have a game like that against the top opposition though. I would still start with Matfield to stabilize things- and then bring Lood off the bench. Tempted also to start with Lood and then Matfield on the bench.
Matfield has never been a physical lock- but more of an athletic one. So Lood has allways been a more physical player. 
Student learning from master. When Lood came on the lineouts still went well- but not as good as when Matfield was on the pitch 

Steph Dutoit has had some chances but all of Lood, Matfield and Etzebeth have been in better form. 
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14 Oct 2015, 23:58
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Speculation based on nothing, I'd imagine everything is fine in the camp, as many players have said. He's probably just picked up a knock.

We don't have Victor for Saturday but let's support the boys who are in the squad, and hope Lood, Eben and Pieter-steph can do the business.
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14 Oct 2015, 23:59
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Form is a nice excuse for a bad player to be justified. 
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15 Oct 2015, 01:26
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 Lets get this straight.  Newspaper reports and video evidence showed that -
*   that relationship between some present squad members and Matfield were poor;
*   that Matfield was deeply unpopular in the Bulls set up because he was carrying stories about players to Ludeke.  
he undermined Smit when he was captain and is a character that enhances his own interests ahead of the interests of the team - so it must have come as a shock to him when told by Meyer that he is being considered to play from the bench on Saturday,

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15 Oct 2015, 01:46
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 Video evidence? Ha! 
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15 Oct 2015, 02:02
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Pervert and evidence are in parallel universes.  
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15 Oct 2015, 09:55
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Ceradyne, (ag fokof man, Vlag val beter op die tong )


I will wait for you to tell me what Jake had to say on this. Victor also published a book after his "retirement" and it would be nice to compare each version of the incident.

It is hard to get the full version of what happened through the scattered info obtained from Google, but it seems that Jake accused Victor of having an egoistic attitude and he (Jake) would like him to have a haircut. Later, or at more or less the same time, Victor told Jake in no uncertain words that Heyneke was a better coach than Jake.Jake then blew his top and I do not know who decided that he should return to SA.

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15 Oct 2015, 12:23
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@Blikkies, no problem. I will get the book out as soon as I can and let you know.
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15 Oct 2015, 12:32
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 clevermike
 
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October 15, 2015, 01:26:11

 Lets get this straight.  Newspaper reports and video evidence showed that -


*   that relationship between some present squad members and Matfield were poor;
*   that Matfield was deeply unpopular in the Bulls set up because he was carrying stories about players to Ludeke.  
he undermined Smit when he was captain and is a character that enhances his own interests ahead of the interests of the team - so it must have come as a shock to him when told by Meyer that he is being considered to play from the bench on Saturday,
Your two *points are so laughable, it is not even worthy of a comment.
As far the bold underlined part....... I cannot believe that you have the audacity to try that one again. Not after the last time you had your arse whipped about it. Feck, and then you accuse others of smear campaigns against players? I have told shown you, on a previous occasion, what JS said in his book about the bond between him and  VM. But forget about the book. Have a look at John Smit said in his own words in August 2011. 
Smit and Matfield aim to create history and bow out as champions

'Victor and I, it's crazy. We've played a huge amount of tests together.' Smit said. 'We've seen each other get married, have kids. We've been through Staaldraads together, we've won World Cups and Tri-Nations, we've lost Tri-Nations. We've had our moments up and down and we've always had each other.


'For me, it's just a special relationship. A lot of people always take Victor for granted. He's a phenomenal player and a great leader. He's been a pillar of strength for me. I've relied on him heavily throughout my time as captain and he's stepped up and provided.'


Matfield added: 'Myself and John are big mates. We've been playing together for quite some time now. It's about knowing each other's body language, knowing what's coming and that always helps. It's fantastic what the two of us have.'



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15 Oct 2015, 16:26
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 Matfield is a divisive person  -  A person who had bitter differences with fellow-players and disliked by players playing fir the Bulls.  There is plenty of evidence of that.
What I was thinking about is what would come out in future books - did Matfield lose his cool when Meyer told him he will not start in the quarterfinal - or did he not?
DF refers to Fransie Steyn last year in June.  The contract story was not the real reason for Fransie leaving the Bok camp - it was near settlement anyway.   The real reason was he was told he would not start in the test that week,   Both the players think they are god's gift to rugby - so anything is possible insofar as they are concerned.
When books are written by people in future - the real situation will come out.      
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15 Oct 2015, 23:06
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October 15, 2015, 16:26:05

 Matfield is a divisive person  -  A person who had bitter differences with fellow-players and disliked by players playing fir the Bulls.  There is plenty of evidence of that.

 Proof mate, proof. You had one article which proved nothing bar your own remarks with no substance at all.
Have you not read the reports about VM not being in the team? Apparently not because it would not suit your campaign. Are you saying that HM l ied when he said that VM ruled himself out? 
Why am I saying that the above do not suit your campaign? Because VM is by implication, according to you, an egotistical pr!ck who would go to any lengths to be in the team and captain the side. 

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16 Oct 2015, 09:44
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 Wee matfiled and lardy John both disgraced themselves by their self serving attitudes while the cartoon character pdv was "coach" They ran the team and ensured they kept their paces in the team
N aturally lardy would support wee matfiled - they are as thick as thieves and as ou cerudunce windpomp! 
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16 Oct 2015, 09:47
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 Lood made an impression from day one, say Foxie.Who would have guessed this was Foxie's view from day one.
Talk about back tracking! 
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16 Oct 2015, 09:57
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Beeno: Lood, while lacking in experience, is benefiting from the experience of wee Matfield. 
No one can debate the aerial mastery of wee Matfield or his skill & dexterity in the backs or in marshalling the power of the cowardly rolling maul (legalised obstruction). Even if many Boks supporters have turned their back on Matfield us Kiwis are always willing to be helpful. Go on Meyer we dare you to select Matfield for the semis.
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16 Oct 2015, 10:11
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 Total rubbish JW.  Lood and Eben are better line out exponents in any case. Thereafter they are miles better. matfiled is not club level.
I noted how wee matfield called all the ball to himself against Japan. Simply because the Japs have no lineout. The con man knows how to fool simple minded  people .
matfiled lineout prowress is vastly over rated.

Send the show pony home NOW! Wht a villa in ou JW is!!! 
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16 Oct 2015, 10:32
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 Beeno, I have provided a mathematically-based formula on the other thread Link to sanity & irrefutable evidence .  
We have faith in your judgement Beeno so we expect you to add your assessment to that thread applying the formula as provided
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17 Oct 2015, 18:57
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No I think we shall Matfield next week back in his rightful starting position. 
Lead Head Dejager was clueless today. I did say that although he has played well it was against the Minnows. We did not have a rolling maul platform from the lineouts or kick offs without Matfield
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