What is Meyer smoking!!

DA wake up please Mike knows as any reasonable person with a modicum of rugby acumen knows, that wee victoria is a con artist show pony. Even a groupie like Keo has to acknowledge that wee victors form is not what ou Keo imagines it used to be.More die hard groupies like Dr Mozzzzzzzzzzzzzz cant accept even thsi. Its hialroius really.

I am sure even the pretty clueless kbbs are hosing themselves! They know they are about halfway home if wee matfiled plays.

 Ceradunce
Nobody is trying to force anything down your throat - what we are doing is to sound alarm bells about the present situation and especially what some players are producing.  What is obvious is that you are so set in your thinking you ignore those signals and start looking at performance of players in reality and not on the basis of deception for which Skink Hitler is known for.
Just one question - if Matfield's performance is acceptable how come ex-locks do not rate him as a lock anymore?      

 Why am I not surprised ou cerudunce  windpomp has got it all wrong yet again!
This old 105 "lock" is a sick joke and the joke sadly is on the Boks. Boks were robbed blind in the home test against the Argies as my ref error adjusted scoreline clearly showed.Victor was useless in the super 15 and his captaincy helped not a whit. As a player he would struggle to make club level. The only rational conclusion is he has conned his groupies   who dont actaully watch what he does during a game as I have a number of times. 
Away with wee matfield. To think he will keep the hugely impressive Lood out!

 DA the wee matfiled bashing will stop when the oak retires. He is putting himself before the team. Do you know that this skinny oak was down to 102 kg when he retired. Now he is 105 kg. He is a pap string bean who simply cannot do the work of a lock as Mike has correctly noted. Even his forte the lineout is no better than any other reasonable intenational lock as we have seen repeatedly. Thereafter you are loosing all the way. 
Away with the show pony!!!

 Beeno: show ponies have an important role to play but sadly they are often under appreciated.

Is it wee Matfield's birthday again?

 JW have you carefully gone through the videos I posted re the last RWC.
Bwahahahahahahahahha

 "So Beeno1, please clarify... Are you a hater, or do you merely have such a low IQ?"

Asked and answered!

 Beeno is more hatter than hater.
Meyer may yet prove to be right & he may get the Boks into a position to do well in this RWC. Glad Devil's Advocate is polling posters to find out what the "doubters" think because a lot of the negative posters could be eating crow - made less palatable by the fact that they didn't have confidence in their team.

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 Ceradunce

Nobody is trying to force anything down your throat - what we are doing is to sound alarm bells about the present situation and especially what some players are producing.  What is obvious is that you are so set in your thinking you ignore those signals and start looking at performance of players in reality and not on the basis of deception for which Skink Hitler is known for.
Just one question - if Matfield's performance is acceptable how come ex-locks do not rate him as a lock anymore?
You can sound alarm bells as much as you like, ou balsak it is of no importance whatsoever. If we bomb out before the play-offs, what difference is it going to make to my life, or yours for that matter. If we win it, then I can ask the same question. I do not believe that any of us are going to shoot ourselves. Not me in any case.
The beauty is that you will have something to bitch about for the next four years, whatever the outcome  is because you thrive on bitching and being negative. If have told you, a few years ago, it has to be terrible to live around  such a negative miserable old sod like you.
Oh and BTW, I am willing to put money on the fact that you would not be prepared to give us any links of reputable ex-locks who do not rate Matfield as a lock anymore. OK ex-locks bar Mark Andrews who is probably still hurting about being pushed aside, by both the Boks and Natal, in favour of Matfield when he was nine years younger than what Matfield is at the moment. 
I can give you a link to the interview where he confirmed this. Can you do the same in respect of  all the other ex-locks? Read this:
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/Mark-Andrews-chats-to-Sport24-20141009
 Sport24 asked: Tell us the real reason why you left SA to play for Newcastle Falcons in 2003.

Mark Andrews: Both the Sharks and Springboks told me that I had no more value to offer as a player. I was forced to further my career overseas and did not leave South African rugby out of my own free will. At that stage, Kevin Putt and Brian van Zyl believed that I had nothing left to offer the Sharks, and as far as the Springboks were concerned, Rudolf Straeuli felt the same way. It can be a ruthless environment. At the time, I was 29 years of age and told my days of adding value were over. But I came to accept it, as such is life and the nature of professional team sport. The reality is that players’ careers are often dependent upon the management and coaches in power at the time.

What the hell is a "skink"....hahahahaha.  

 You miserable twit - it was a typing error - you are Skunk Hitler.    

 Ceradunce
I will just tell you that I am sure Matfield should have taken the route of Andrews - the latter realises when his time was up and was honest enough to tell the public that.  Matfield has a pal in Meyer and the latter picks him on that basis 0 definitely not on his performance.
However, I am quite happy as a person and remains a loyal South African - it delights me to see games where SA teams win - it makes me proud to be a SA supporter.   It disturbs me when SA teams or sportsmen do not win.  
That is why it cause me unhappiness when I see failed players being selected to represent SA and SA teams - and Meyer has way to many habitual failures in that squad.  Matfield is just one of those - Alberts and Pietersen are worse cases -  Du Preez and De Villiers is a gamble and so is Vermeulen and Du Toit.  However, I rate both the latter players highly because they are better performers and they do produce the goods in games they play in.
By the way there were discussion programmes on DSTV - Supersport - about selections of players in the WC squad in all positions - also of locks.  The panellists on the programme was Wiese and Geldenhuys.   They were asked to -
*   rate the all-time great locks of all time;*   rate the best SA locks of all time; and*   rate the best locks for selection to the SA 2015 WC squad
Matfield did not feature in any of the above categories.  When asked by the chairman about Matfield - Wiese responded that -
*   Matfield was one of the top line-out jumpers ever in world rugby; but*   Matfield does not produce he goods in the engine room and is not really up to standard in the Tight 5.
I am sure the programme would be listed on the internet - you can find it if you want to watch it.   
Matfield's fame always centered on his being -
*  a top line-out jumper and caller; and*  a top receiver of kick-in balls
However, you fail to realize that the above is based on reputation and that at present it is not the case anymore.  In the recent Argentina game - Matfield had to field 4 kick-in balls.  He caught 3 of those and spilled badly the fourth kick-in.  His line-out competitiveness has dwindled considerably and his take has been getting lower and lower.   He took 11 line-outs in the Welsh test in June last year.  By the end of last year it dwindled down to an average of 3 line-outs per test.   The same low line-out takes were in evidence in Super 15 as well.  At present he is a very average line-out jumper at best. 
I am looking at player performances and reputation is to my mind a negative if it is not accompanied by performance and in the case of a large percentage of the players in the squad - too many has been recent failures. 
However, you are living in the past and that is why you refuse to face present realities.       
    

 

 

Yeah I know, Dave!!

Haaahahahahaaahahahaaaa!!!

A man can hope ... can't he?

@ou Tokkie. I stopped reading right at the start of your essay because you got it wrong right there. Andrews did not quit. He was kicked out by both the Boks and his union. Something that never happened to Matfield at any stage of his career.  

 Ceradunce
Do yourself the favour then of reading the following:-
"Matfield's fame always centered on his being -
*  a top line-out jumper and caller; and*  a top receiver of kick-in balls
However, you fail to realize that the above is based on reputation and that at present it is not the case anymore.  In the recent Argentina game - Matfield had to field 4 kick-in balls.  He caught 3 of those and spilled badly the fourth kick-in.  His line-out competitiveness has dwindled considerably and his take has been getting lower and lower.   He took 11 line-outs in the Welsh test in June last year.  By the end of last year it dwindled down to an average of 3 line-outs per test.   The same low line-out takes were in evidence in Super 15 as well.  At present he is a very average line-out jumper at best."
You are refusing to read the above - because it is factual and can be checked on ESPN stats.
Problem is his performance is way below his reputation - whether you like it or not.  And Victor should have gone the way of Bakkies Botha - who retired because he felt he cannot produce the goods compared to younger and more effective players.   He is way poorer at present than Andrews was when he was asked to leave.    It is only his pal Meyer who wants him - anybody else would not have looked at him even being 10th of the list of locks to be considered .  

Jaaaaaaa ou Tokkie. Yapity yapity yap. You still fail to understand why the Boks have someone like Matfield in the mix and the ABs are still picking the likes of McCaw, Carter and Mealamu. You can keep on quoting your little bits and pieces of stats till you're blue in the face but is long as you do not understand the other dynamics of the game, they serve no purpose. BTW, have you found the article that I supposedly copied from?

Sup peeps  

 Ceradyne
You fail to understand a number of things - a couple of things of which are the fact that -
*   the AB's still have the players, because they are the best performing players (McCaw and Carter) they have available in their relevant positions;
*    the Ab's selected Mealamu as a back-up hooker - he is in fact their third hooker and is only likely to get playing time is not available; and
*    there are more than enough PERFORMING experienced players in the Springbok squad without the need for under-performing ones like Matfield;
*    that a number of squad selections have nothing to do with performance - they are there on reputation only.
I know the old argument - Matfield has the experience and is a leader - hence his vice-captaincy, but others like Burger and Vermeulen amongst the forwards are better performers and could have been the vice-captain in any event.   
What I wrote about is not stats - it is factual - but then you are blind to see what is happening on the field of play, because you refuse to see what is really happening.   So in reality a discussion with you is pointless - end of story.   

What facts about Matfield?

The only fact you need to know about Matfield is that he is a useless has been......a physical liability in the engine room....something you don't need if you are striving to dominate the physical battles  

Ok
Sit back and watch him help us win the world cup