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Who should play at 13 for Boks?; Planet Rugby

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Jul 2015, 07:36
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02 Jul 2015, 07:36#1

With the start of the RWC around the corner, Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer appears to be undecided on his first-choice outside centre.

The Bok mentor is facing a conundrum which has been building for some time now and judging from the recent 49-man preliminary squad, he still has a long way to go before he makes up his mind.

Of that payers named for the Rugby Championship Jean de Villiers, Jaque Fourie, Jan Serfontein, Damian de Allende and JP Pietersen have played at outside centre for the Boks at Test level since Meyer's coaching tenure started in 2012. And of the players who didn't make the cut, Juan de Jongh, JJ Engelbrecht and Jaco Taute have also worn the green and gold number 13 jersey.

That's eight players in three and a half seasons and don't be surprised if that number grows because the uncapped Lionel Mapoe, who was one of the better number 13s during the recent Super Rugby tournament, is also in Meyer's preliminary group. Serfontein and Mapoe are currently recovering from injuries and only likely to return to action during the Rugby Championship, while it's safe to say that Pietersen is viewed primarily as a wing.

The return of 72-Test veteran Fourie is a clear sign that Meyer is undecided and the 32-year-old's selection must be viewed as desperate one.

The Japan-based midfielder recently reversed his decision to retire from Test rugby - for the second time - but is set to miss the Boks' opening encounters of 2015 against a World XV at Newlands on July 11 and possibly against the Wallabies in Brisbane the following weekend as he arrived from Japan in poor shape and is currently on the Boks' team doctor Craig Roberts' conditioning list.

Fourie first announced his retirement from the international arena before the start of the 2012 Test season but returned on the Boks' end-of-year tour in 2013 - in a similar condition - and didn't reach the heights which made him South Africa's preferred choice in the number 13 jersey at the 2007 and 2011 World Cups.

He suffered an injury setback in 2014 and announced his Test retirement again because he doubted his ability to play at the highest level.

It is understood, however, that Springbok coach Meyer was courting Fourie to make another comeback and eventually succeeded in doing so.

Of the other outside centres previously used by Meyer, but who weren't selected in his latest squad, Taute only returned to action from injury during the latter part of the Stormers' 2015 Super Rugby campaign while De Jongh's omission raised more than a few eyebrows - especially in Cape Town - as Meyer is yet to give him an extended run at Test level.

When the 27-year-old Stormers midfielder burst on to the scene he was like a breathe of fresh air as he shone on attack and defence but I'm sure he'll be the first to admit that he didn't have his best season in 2015.

His ability to beat defenders in one-on-one situations is his greatest strength but playing in a Stormers backline devoid of attacking creativity meant he seldom found the ball in space.

Meyer initially appeared to rate De Jongh highly and played him at outside centre on the Boks' 2012 end-of-year tour but has not used him at all over the past two seasons.

The Stormers man's critics often refer to his lack of size as his biggest weakness and this has been pointed out as the reason for him missing out on the 2013 and 2014 end-of-year tours where they usually play on heavy fields.

This will not be the case at the World Cup, however, as the Boks' pool matches will be on football fields and although he might not be the first-choice outside centre De Jongh's Test experience could make him a valuable squad member to fall back on in case of an emergency at the World Cup.

So, who should be the Boks' first-choice number 13 at the World Cup if all the players are fit?

My vote goes to the incumbent captain Jean de Villiers, who could return to action when the Boks face the World XV in less than two weeks.

I'd prefer the 34-year-old at outside centre with either Frans Steyn or De Allende - who was arguably South Africa's best player during Super Rugby - on his inside in the number 12 jersey.

De Villiers prefers playing at inside centre but is no stranger to the number 13 position and has done well there in the past for the Stormers and South Africa, and should be able to do that again at the global showpiece later this year.

by David Skippers

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Jul 2015, 07:39
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02 Jul 2015, 07:39#2
 One more opinion to add to the debate on this forum.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
02 Jul 2015, 08:23
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02 Jul 2015, 08:23#3
Jaque Fourie has just been declared too unfit to be considered for the RC.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jul 2015, 08:50
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02 Jul 2015, 08:50#4
 JW
This one has been debated over a number of years now and the problem is that Meyer is clueless about backline play - hence the "hesitation waltz" in this case.   His first tendency always has been to run back to the past whenever he has to make a selection and that was the basic reason for the selection in 2012 of De Jongh in 2012 and Fourie in 2013.
However, De Jongh was desperately poor in the three tests (one of the bench) he played in in 2012 and did squat in the EOYT tour matches where he started.  That put pay to his re-selection later on.   His physical size and defense deficiencies added to that problem and whereas those two problems were also noticeable in the successive Super 15 tournaments he went off the selection screen.   De Jongh shines when he is put into space - but somebody else must do it and when De Allende makes linebreaks and beat defenders in 2015 he could not pass the ball to De Jongh since he was nowhere near him in sight.
As to Fourie - Meyer is making his normal huge mistake.   He convinced Fourie to accept selection to the 2013 EOYT squat and used him in three tests.   Fourie was totally devoid of pace and made zero impact in attacking play - he was tackled with ease by all opponents.   Players ran around him and in those cases made no tackle attempts - but those he got to and attempted tackles he did tackle.   At 33 years of age he arrived back from Japan "in poor shape and is currently on the Boks' team doctor Craig Roberts' conditioning list".   Please note that in 2013 he was not really up to standard - that is admitted in the article.     2013 Fourie at 31 was under-par in physical condition in the midst of the Japanese club season - what is he like after 4 months not playing at all at 33 years of age.   Meyer and his staff can try their utmost and the result would still be a physically-deficient and poor pace player.
De Jongh was never in contention this year - and I think that Fourie will not make the grade to play in the WC - so where to now?   Pietersen I am afraid had a shocker in 2015 at 13 - his defense was minus double-zero- so he is likely not to be a consideration at all.   Mapoe is also a physically small player and in some matches the Lions played him on the wing and used the impressive Vorster at 13.   The latter was in fact the most impressive player at 13 of all players in that position in 2015 in Super 15.   However,Vorster is not in the squad - but I have a suspicion he will be called up as there are question marks about the physical fitness of Fourie and De Villiers - with Serfontein also on the injury list.
That brings into the frame De Villiers, De Allende and Serfontein.   The problem remains two issues amongst those three players.   De Villiers said clearly he will try his utmost - but if he feels he is going to let the team down through selection - he is going to opt out of selection.   However, I think he will make the grade - even by the high standard he set for himself.   Serfontein's injury is not serious and he is likely to be back soon.    Serfontein did well on defense when he played at 13 - but did not show much in attacking play.
However, the ultimate selection will depend also who plays at 12 as well.   This is being put in jeopardy by another joke selection by Meyer  - namely Francois Steyn.   The latter was deplorable in 2013, 2014 and 2015 playing at center in Super 15.   His pace is gone - his attacking ability zero and his defense zero-minus.
So lets get to the center-combination that is likely to come up.   If De Villiers plays the seleection is likely to be -
*   12  De Allende,  13  De Villiers (the latter prefers the no 13 position if De Allende is at 12).
Serfontein is likely to be on the bench.   The problem is going to be if both De Villiers and Fourie are not available.   That would leave only two options - namely De Allende and Serfontein as viable options for center selection - and that is where I expect a call-up of Vorster.          

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jul 2015, 10:44
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02 Jul 2015, 10:44#5

Simple......de Allende at 13 with Serfontein at 12......other obvious options at 13 are Vorster, Jessie Kriel, Mapoe, JJ and Frans Venter.


A bit of imagination from Meyer could also see v/Wyk of the Stormers tried at 13 given he played all his age group rugby at centre.


There are other candidates in Pat Howard, Stokkies Hanekom, Sithole, Sadie and Tyler Fisher


Clueless Meyer is too stupid to see past Fourie

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KalaedFreddieClub Pro495 posts
06 Jul 2015, 11:46
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06 Jul 2015, 11:46#6
 
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Posts: 12709RE: Who should play at 13 for Boks?; Planet Rugby
July 02, 2015, 10:44:39

Simple......de Allende at 13 with Serfontein at 12......other obvious options at 13 are Vorster, Jessie Kriel, Mapoe, JJ and Frans Venter.


A bit of imagination from Meyer could also see v/Wyk of the Stormers tried at 13 given he played all his age group rugby at centre.


There are other candidates in Pat Howard, Stokkies Hanekom, Sithole,Sadie and Tyler Fisher


Clueless Meyer is too stupid to see past Fourie

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jul 2015, 11:58
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06 Jul 2015, 11:58#7
 Freddie
Welcome back - you really have been missed.
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KalaedFreddieClub Pro495 posts
06 Jul 2015, 12:42
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06 Jul 2015, 12:42#8
 Lekker Mike, but I may even have a bone to pick with you too.. .  
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06 Jul 2015, 14:11
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06 Jul 2015, 14:11#9
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