https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/jul/17/the-guy-stinks-and-hes-a-racist-anthony-scaramucci-on-donald-trump
‘The Mooch’ explains why, even after his swift dismissal from the
White House, he stayed loyal, until Trump’s online bullying finally made
him see the light
His was a flame that burned twice as bright and half as long. Anthony
Scaramucci’s tenure in Donald Trump’s White House lasted just 11 days,
which may be some kind of record. But it was a cameo of blinding
incandescence that removed the scales from his eyes.
Many officials fired by Trump have sought what might be seen as moral
decontamination, a purging of the soul, by turning ostentatiously
against him. But few have done it with the ferocity of the man nicknamed
“The Mooch”, who in the space of a half-hour FaceTime interview calls
the US president “very crazy”, “low life”, “full-blown racist”, “son of a
bitch”, “maniacally narcissistic” and “off his rocker”.
Scaramucci is as New York as skyscrapers, subways and Sinatra. He
knew Trump from the Big Apple. “When you were sitting in the room with
him 10 years ago, he’s a garrulous person, self-absorbed but funny and a
raconteur and, at times, very rakish and very charming, and you would
enjoy his personality, frankly, and he had a good sense of humour,” he
says. Scaramucci, at home in Southampton, Long Island, is wearing a
Superman T-shirt, and cable news is playing on a big wall-mounted TV.
“Now you would find him to be more brittle, defensive and
self-exclamatory where he’s just launching into these run-on long
sentences. He’s having a conversation with himself and it’s a
rationalisation of who he is and what he’s doing and he’s trying to
explain to everybody that he knows it all, he’s got it all figured out,
and that’s a great tragedy in itself because nobody has it all figured
out.”
Scaramucci, a Harvard law school graduate and former Goldman Sachs
banker, founded the global hedge fund SkyBridge Capital in 2005. Three
years ago next week, on 21 July 2017, he was hired by Trump as
communications director, despite the objections of the press secretary,
Sean Spicer, who resigned in protest, and the chief of staff, Reince
Priebus.
Maureen Dowd, a New York Times columnist, opined that Trump
had found an ideal courtier: “A wealthy mini-me Manhattan bro with
wolfy smile and slick coif who will say anything and flip any position. A
self-promoter extraordinaire and master salesman who doesn’t mind
pushing a bad product – and probably sees it as more fun.”
This wolf of Wall Street delivered a maiden press briefing with
self-assurance and swagger that culminated with an air kiss to the White
House press corps. His new boss was not impressed.
Scaramucci’s fate was sealed with an air kiss. Photograph: Pablo Martínez Monsiváis/AP
Scaramucci says: “In my 11 days, the great irony was some people said
my press conference was well handled and well executed, but Trump was
not in love with it, which indicated to me that I was going to end up
having a problem with him because he’s not one to allow anybody else on
that stage.
“One
cabinet official said to me there are two things that, if he says to
you, you know you’re in trouble: one, you’re getting more famous than
me; or two, you’re getting too much attention. That’s like your
near-death experience. He said to [FBI Director James] Comey, you’re
getting more famous than me, and then a week later he was fired.”
But during that brief spell in the west wing, Scaramucci
observed up close the most powerful man in the world. “My observation
was, OK, he’s not listening, and good leadership requires delegation and
listening, and he’s too defensive and too insecure to actually take in
input,” he says.
“I found that when I was briefing him, I had to put pictures of him
in the briefing. When I put the pictures in, it was a good sign, and
when I didn’t put the pictures in, you couldn’t get him to focus on it.
“Here’s the bad news, though. Even if you got him to focus on it, he
wouldn’t listen to you anyway because he’s so maniacally narcissistic.
He wants to immobilise everybody around him and then he wants to go on
and win the presidency anyway on this nihilistic rampage and show
everybody, ‘See, I wiped out all of you with napalm and I didn’t need
any of you.’ That’s full blown narcissism.”
Scaramucci was dismissed on 31 July 2017 after he gave an
expletive-laced interview to the New Yorker magazine and made derogatory
statements about White House officials including Priebus and chief
strategist Steve Bannon, both of whom are now long gone.
“I was crestfallen about the firing, but listen, it’s not the first
time I’ve been fired – I’m a little bit of a rogue, I’m an
entrepreneur,” Scaramucci recalls. “I made a mistake. I did something
fireable. I am accountable for my mistakes.”
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he had not been fired, wouldn’t he have quit by now, as the Trump
administration lurched from disaster to disgrace? “I don’t want to
pretend about what I would have done because I would tell you this as a
cautionary tale about ego. When you’ve got your ego involved in
something, you do things that are irrational and your emotions go up and
your intelligence goes low.
“I was fully invested in getting rid of Steve Bannon and Reince
Priebus. I would like to think that I would have stood on principle
during the Charlottesville situation [when Trump drew equivalence between white nationalists and anti-fascists] because that was a week after my departure. I thought that was ridiculous.
‘I found that when I was briefing him, I had to put pictures of him in the briefing’: Scaramucci on Trump. Photograph: Twitter
“Even if I didn’t stand on principle – let’s say I was into moral
equivocation that you see in many of these people working for President
Trump or trying to justify themselves through cognitive distance, ‘If I
wasn’t here, it would be worse,’ and all the stuff that they say to
themselves – I would have been fired anyway.
“I may not have made it 15 days or 20 days because my personality is
not suitable for President Trump’s. I’m an entrepreneur. I’m an
independent thinker. He doesn’t like iconoclastic or independent
thinking, so I don’t think I would have lasted very long. But listen,
the universe and the good Lord works in very strange ways: saved my ass.
“As I told Trump when we were still friendly, after I got fired he
called me and asked me how I was doing, I said: ‘Relax, you’ve made me
as famous as Melania and Ivanka and I didn’t have to sleep with you or
be your daughter, so I’m going to be totally fine, you never have to
worry about me.’ I know how to roll with the punches.”
But Scaramucci likens what happened next to being Tim Robbins’s
character in the film The Shawshank Redemption, escaping from jail by
hurtling down a sewer pipe and eventually being spat out.
“If you’ve never experienced being on the front page of a tabloid
when your personal life is being destroyed and you’re being disfigured
as a human being and a lot of lies are being said about you, and then
you’re getting lit up … that is The Shawshank Redemption, because you
have to go through that sewer pipe of humiliation and shame and you’re
being disfigured.
“You have people that don’t even know who you are forming a negative
opinion of you based on these snippets of information without really
getting the full blown context or texture of your personality. You learn
to live with it and you also learn to use your sense of humour and your
grounding wires in life to just roll with it.
“I don’t think about it much today, but I will say this: it made me a
better person. It made me more psychologically aware. I turned on Trump
in August 2019; I was loyal to him for two years after my departure.
Somebody said to me: ‘Well, you turned on Trump. He’s the same guy that
he was in 2015, so why did you turn on him? He’s doing the exact same
things.’
“I looked at the person and said: ‘Well he may be the same guy, but
I’m not the same guy. I’m a different person today than I was in 2015 or
2017. I think I’ve got a lot more psychological awareness and a lot
more depth of understanding of what’s going on and, remember, we’re
products of our environment.
“We grow up in a certain background, with certain prejudices and
biases, and you need earthshaking experiences sometimes to wake you up
to what other people’s realities are and what they’re dealing with.”
Scaramucci, who is of Italian descent, chose to speak out when Trump
attacked four Democratic congresswomen of colour known as “the Squad”
and suggested that they should “go back” to their countries, even though
all are American.
“I said, ‘OK, that’s enough for me and I cannot be affiliated with
this any more’, I’m not going to disavow my personal integrity and my
life story to support this man. I’m not going to make the equivocations
that these other people are making: ‘Well, it’s Republican, it’s judges,
it’s policies.’ No, the guy stinks and he’s a racist and he’s an
American nativist.”
As a result Scaramucci, who took part in a recent BBC Three documentary, Trump in Tweets, ended
up in a Twitter fight with the president that spiralled out of control.
“Once he attacked my wife, I took the gloves off because you’re not
allowed to attack my family members or my wife. He knew my wife and I
were having marital issues in 2017 and he still went after her on the
presidential Twitter feed, so he’s a low life. Once he did that, then I
just started eviscerating him.”
Trump’s online bullying had real world consequences. Scaramucci says:
“I had people taking pictures of my front door, saying they were going
to come through the front door and hurt my family. I had a squad car
outside my house because the threat seemed legitimate and the FBI was
working on it. But that’s the America we’re living in now. If you have a
political opinion in America now, you have to have that sort of
nonsense going on.”
As the BBC programme documented, Trump’s ability to weaponise Twitter
helped him with the White House in 2016 but, Scaramucci believes, it
will lead to defeat this November. “You’re getting his full-blown
impetuosity and his craziness and his viciousness and I think it’s very
bad. History will reflect poorly on it and it will be his undoing.
“He’s going to get destroyed. It’s not even close how badly he’s
going to get destroyed. His ardent support is wilting and, by November,
there’ll be over 200,000 people dead from the coronavirus. This is not
2016, where he’s an unknown entity and you have this very polarising
figure, Hillary Clinton. He’s also got guys like me that are Republicans
that are going to work on hiving off 3 to 5% of the Republicans.”
Having voted for Trump in 2016, Scaramucci will vote for his
opponent, Joe Biden, in November 2020 and he believes the long national
nightmare will soon be over. “I always tell people 120 days is, like 500
years in Trump World but he’s on a trajectory of a downward slope and
he’s doing something – because I know the son of a bitch well – he’s
doing something that I find fascinating. He’s subconsciously
self-detonating.
“He’s doing things every single day that is literally forcibly
unravelling his political career and that is the hidden secret, the
underbelly of a narcissist. They have a very full blown self-destructive
streak in their personalities. He’s got his hand on the self detonator
now.”
BBC Three’s Trump in Tweets is now available on BBC iPlayer in the UK, and is on BBC Two, Sunday 19 July, 10pm
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