A Tribute to the Retired Anthony Fauci...

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have done so much more internal and external damage to America as a whole....in such a very short time... it genuinely surprised me.

Never mind Trump vs Biden.... just comparing Pence with Harris is a complete and utter joke..... Harris is an international embarrassment and will never ever live down her inability to string together a simple intellectual question...... or answer any kind of intelligent question.

The worst I have ever seen

I have said many times on here that I am not a big fan of Trump, but I do genuinely believe that Biden, as POTUS, has done far more damage than Trump could ever have done.

I think the clearest proof that there was Russian collusion is the fact that ou Maaik is so vociferously convinced otherwise.

Must say I enjoy watching Stav schooling Moffie on these threads to the point that he gets Moffie to start boasting about himself again. As soon as you see Moffie promoting himself or demanding that other people integrate x or y or whatever (which is often) then you know he's made a complete dick of himself again and has loads of egg sliding down his fat, pompous and smug face.

History will show Bozo to be the weakest and most corrupt US president of all time. By miles.

Stav, you're my Poster of the Year. Bravo.

BSters and LIARS applauding each other when they come up with conspiracy theories.   Bravo - we now know who are the chief idiots on site.   Stav string up a string of  BS allegations and statements he cannot prove as being of any value - he cannot answer any questions by providing proof of what he says - yet he repeats  unproven BS as facts.   What a joke.    

Irony level now approaching 10,000.

Just a bunch of clowns praising the poster articulating their bias. The Russian hoax was tried from every angle with the full support of the deep state and came up empty. Case closed.

Back to Fauci. So best I can recall this is what Fauci did during Covid.

* He underplayed the initial threat implying we had protocols to protect the States

* He then changed his tune and massively overstated the death rate, even though a visit to the Rugby Board and a reading of my humble analysis of the Diamond Princess case, clearly would have suggested otherwise.

* He then supported the masks don’t help view….only to reverse himself and say they were crucial. He explained this as him protecting short supplies. So if you believe this he deliberately lied and put people’s lives at risk….but the media never even challenged him because he was perceived to be anti Trump.

* Next he promoted old school tactics to combat the virus. Wash your hands after touching and social distance. This had people washing off all their food packaging…later shown to be unnecessary. His famous view on all this was the days of shaking hands are over.

* Then he poured as much cold water on a quick vaccine as he could without getting in trouble and over promoted Remdesivir which at best has proven to be of marginal help. Wrong direction in both cases.

……….

Can somebody please tell me what this man did to help combat the Virus. I honestly can think of nothing except social distancing a standard in the virology playbook. 

Nothing, he enriched himself from this virus that killed large numbers of people around the world.

Doctor Death 2.

Suppositions, conjecture and nothing that stood the legal test …..and golly gee, a conspiracy theory.

And in his very next post.

The Russian hoax was tried from every angle with the full support of the deep state and came up empty

Scotty: Captain the shields can'it hold it any longer...I just dunnot have the power.

Kirk: Mr Spock divert all power from the engines immediately.

Spock: Captain its futile...the shields weren't designed to cope with this amount of stupidity and lack of self awareness.

McCoy: My god Jim!

So just a bit of word play but absolutely nothing to justify Fauci or the Russian hoax. One might amost say, lost for words.

He's dead Jim!

"He then supported the masks don’t help view….only to reverse himself and say they were crucial. He explained this as him protecting short supplies. So if you believe this he deliberately lied and put people’s lives at risk…."

Blatantl liar gets a pass because. ...because, because .....Orange Man Bad. 

There is thankfully less like you who are utterly blinded to the gross incompetence, stupidity, and division amplifying that was the lunacy of Trumps Presidency. Things like the truth and decency matter, something Trump has no concept of.

Well said, Stav.

Trump was a Covid denialist, made light of its presence months after it had manifested itself amongst Americans, he went onto say at his WH briefing "One morning you'll wake up and it will be gone." 

He saved no lives, that's just BS, he was the cause of loss of life.

Putin played him, he knew that he was going to invade Ukraine and was playing Trump  to be a neutral, compromised, that line if Trump was around there'd have been no invasion is hilarious. Even the North Korean President played him, made a mockery of the US President in front of an international audience. Soon after those talks missiles were launched by North Korea. So much for Biden being weak and Trump being strong. Kim Jan Oom was laughing at him.

And then there's the Insurrection instigated by Trump.....5 people died because of it simply because he spat the dummy with a spoilt child reaction. 

Lied and continues to lie unashamedly about election fraud even though more than 80 Judges have dismissed his claims. Still, it means zip to the hypocrite on here who for decades dares to poke his dirty finger at supposed Liars.

"Kill Mike Pence" they held.......why because Trump had fingered him. Threw a loyal and trusted servant under a bus. Matter of fact anyone who dares to disagree with him is an enemy.

He continues to divide the nation and the GOP like no other President.

He's done, he won't win another election, the midterms clearly signaled his end......his daughter and son-in law were smart enough to distance themselves from the Loser.  The slimy Rupert Murdoch will put a final nail in his coffin and the media will add the finishing touches. 

His biggest mistake was to go toe to toe with the media, he hasn't learnt that only a stupid takes on the media. The example of Obama smarts to play them and won himself two terms was a WHOOOSH!

Amongst a host of other things he'll go down as the dumbest POTUS ever.

X2 your nuts will be here shortly with another grammar lesson. There's another laugh.

"He saved no lives, that's just BS, he was the cause of loss of life"

What a twat.....

I might not like Trump, but credit where it is due.....he did definitely speed up the vaccine implementation..... and yes, maybe some other president "could" have done the exact same thing..... and we will never know.... but we had to deal with Trump doing it at the time, and he most certainly got it done.....and saved many lives.

You just cannot see one single thing that Trump did right...... especially something as big as the vaccines....such is your hatred of the guy...

What a twat

"I might not like Trump"

Unlike you Den Den, I am capable of at least acknowledging something that Trump did well, despite my personal feelings for the guy...

Unlike you, I have also voiced that opinion about Trump, whilst saying both good and bad things about him....many times on this forum, so laugh all you want... you are the one looking like the idiot

You however.... have not ever.... not even once, acknowledged anything at all that Trump did well or got right..... so that alone tells me so much about you as a person.

Then again, with your history, it's no surprise, lol

Blatantl liar gets a pass because. ...because, because .....Orange Man Bad.

Another one who doesn't get irony. And he trots out orange man bad meme defense for the umpteenth time as if it had any credibility the first time he did it.

Trump told umpteen brazen lies during his Presidency and yet his supporters have the nerve to go after Fauci a man who served his country with distinction for decades. The claims Fauci lied about masks is just a smear, Fauci always followed the science and merely presented to the public health recommendation's that the scientific evidence indicated was best practice at the time and updated his views as the scientific evidence evolved. That's how the scientific process works.

He saved no lives, that's just BS, he was the cause of loss of life.

The speeding up of the approval process for vaccines and operation warp speed undoubtedly helped but Trump and his supporters tend to over exaggerate its role and indicate it was the primary or almost sole reason vaccines where developed, which makes people who dislike Trump not want to give him any credit, same when it comes to the economy.

However I'm certain that any other administration would of got to the vaccine around the same time frame give or take a week or two and would have saved far more lives during the phase of the pandemic when there was no vaccine and less effective treatments by articulating just how serious the pandemic was and presenting public health measure in a clear and understandable manner as possible and that what ever public health measures where taken where driven by the best available scientific evidence available to them at the time. Whether some people like Trump or not there is no denying during his Presidency that he held enormous influence over nearly half the general public and his words carry weight to them. He also held huge influence over the republican party and could have applied pressure on state governors (mostly republicans) who where downplaying and trying to almost ignore the pandemic.

I might not like Trump, but credit where it is due.....he did definitely speed up the vaccine implementation..... and yes, maybe some other president "could" have done the exact same thing..... and we will never know.... but we had to deal with Trump doing it at the time, and he most certainly got it done.....and saved many lives.

You just cannot see one single thing that Trump did right...... especially something as big as the vaccines....such is your hatred of the guy...

I pretty much answered this in my previous paragraph, but from the perspective of the people who strongly dislike Trump we view it like this

You just cannot see the myriad number of thing that Trump did wrong throughout his Presidency...especially something as big as public health measures pre-vaccines...such is your hatred of the opposition...

Off the top of my head without searching online there is so many things I can think of that makes me disapprove of Trump and it so far out weights the good thing's he's done its not even remotely close.

Stav 

I asked you for details on your statement on how Trump buggered up the Covid Pandemic issue and all I got was no response.   Now I want the response on your following statement and full details on it:-

"Trump told umpteen brazen lies during his Presidency and yet his supporters have the nerve to go after Fauci a man who served his country with distinction for decades. The claims Fauci lied about masks is just a smear, Fauci always followed the science and merely presented to the public health recommendation's that the scientific evidence indicated was best practice at the time and updated his views as the scientific evidence evolved. That's how the scientific process works."    \

I am sorry - but you are indeed biased beyond belief.    Let me explain - whenever Trump said anything criticizing the Democrats the media said he was lying.     Every "lie" was the turth and it hurt - so the media claimed he lied.   Let me explain one thing further for every lie Trump told there were a 1 000 spouted by the media you adore and believe.    So please provide a few lies of Trump you believe were lies.

There is thankfully less like you who are utterly blinded to the gross incompetence, stupidity, and division amplifying that was the lunacy of Trumps Presidency. Things like the truth and decency matter, something Trump has no concept of.

Examples and proof would be sincerely appreciated.   As to Division start explaining how the Russian Hoax lies were not divisive.  

"Nope, I've no problem acknowledge that Operation Warp speed was beneficial, I give him credit for finishing off ISIS, for the peace deals he helped broker between Israel and several Middle East/African states, and for his attempts at peace with North Korea even if it didn't work out. The economy did decent under Trump but no where near the greatest economy ever nonsense that his supports came out with. The problem is his list of fucks up far far out weighed his achievements 

Please provide us with a list of fuck-ups and indeed proof of the fuck-ups 

The enemy of my enemy is my friend...

"However I'm certain that any other administration would of got to the vaccine around the same time frame give or take a week or two and would have saved far more lives during the phase of the pandemic when there was no vaccine and less effective treatments by articulating just how serious the pandemic was and presenting public health measure in a clear and understandable manner as possible and that what ever public health measures where taken where driven by the best available scientific evidence available to them at the time"

I don't agree at all with this point Stav ..... to some degree, maybe.... but overall, no.

This statement of yours is like you saying that Trump would also most probably have done exactly what Biden did when he totally abandoned the American people in Afghanistan.... including his own troops and Afghan interpreters, literally sending them to their deaths.........because Trump would also have had the exact same resources at his disposal that Biden did.......maybe he would have... but we will never know for certain, but I seriously doubt it......especially after Trump showed the chief Taliban member a satellite picture of his own home, and warned about harming any American citizen or soldier........so you just cannot compare the two, because you just don't know what could, should or would have happened if Biden was in office to make those exact same decisions that Trump did, regarding the vaccine........ you can only go with what did happen, and who did it at the time.... and that was Trump.

Yes, another administration would have done it at some point, but I doubt at the "Warp Speed" that Trump did it.... he at least deserves some credit.

"You just cannot see the myriad number of thing that Trump did wrong throughout his Presidency...especially something as big as public health measures pre-vaccines...such is your hatred of the opposition..."

I myself have pointed out previously on this forum that Trump is an arrogant prick, and that I don't like a lot of what he did or does, but that I also appreciated some things that he did do or got right.  

I also said numerous times that if he was conclusively found guilty of anything at all, that he should face the full might of the law.....

However, some people on here cannot bring themselves to even acknowledge a single little thing that Trump got right, such is their hatred of the man..... but I think their opinion would be much different if a decision that he did make had positively affected them or their family in some way.

This statement of yours is like you saying that Trump would also most probably have done exactly what Biden did when he totally abandoned the American people in Afghanistan.... including his own troops and Afghan interpreters, literally sending them to their deaths.........because Trump would also have had the exact same resources at his disposal that Biden did.......maybe he would have... but we will never know for certain, but I seriously doubt it

Here is the thing about what happened in Afghanistan. Trump signed a deal with the Taliban before the end of his term which the Afghan government in power at the time strongly objected too. For some time during which Trump was still President and and after Biden came into office the Taliban where clearly violating the agreement and continued to advance and retake territory and Trump had no problem with this . He was actually critical towards Biden when he delayed the withdrawal. It was only about two weeks before the complete collapse of the Afghan government and the Taliban take over when the writing was on the wall that Trump started criticizing Biden handling of the situation.

Both Biden and Trump expected the Taliban would return to power in some degree or another after the American withdrawal and they had no issue with this. They assumed that it would not be a complete take over and that they would end up in some sort of power sharing agreement with more moderate factions and this would happen some months after the withdrawal, and both would of been able to sell that to the American public (regardless of who was President). It would of been politically manageable for both. Neither of them predicted how quick the Afghan's would collapse and absolutely Biden handled it extremely badly and deserves an awful lot of criticism for it. Its absolutely appalling that Afghan's who worked with American and other nations operating Afghan where abandon, utterly appalling and a stain on the reputation of the countries involved. Would Trump have decided towards the end to stop the pull out. It's possible he would have in my opinion, say 50/50. But even if he had you would still have to question the Wisdom of the original agreement and the Taliban would have gained significant ground at that stage.

you you just cannot compare the two, because you just don't know what could, should or would have happened if Biden was in office to make those exact same decisions that Trump did, regarding the vaccine........ you can only go with what did happen, and who did it at the time.... and that was Trump.

Its different with the vaccine. It was pretty much a Hobson choice. It was the only way out of the pandemic, and this isn't really about Trump or Biden or any particular president, political party or even America itself. The death rate was simply too high to let naturally immune resolve the pandemic on its own, so the only other option was a vaccine. I'm certain anyone in that position would of done all in their power to get a vaccine developed as soon as possible, be it Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush or hell if Boris Johnson, Marcon or Merkel where President it was the obvious thing to do. Well maybe I can think of one exception and that would be that idiot Bolsonaro.

Yes, another administration would have done it at some point, but I doubt at the "Warp Speed" that Trump did it.... he at least deserves some credit.

He absolutely does deserve credit for that. But that can't be just viewed in isolation and not compared to how he handled the res t of the pandemic.

This sums up the left’s position on Trump. He causes so much angst that you cannot say one, even neutral thing about him. Absolute  resistance is necessary….and anybody who does say something positive about him is immediately invested with all his views. 

Nov 30, 2022, 08:34

"I might not like Trump"

"Here is the thing about what happened in Afghanistan"

I fully understand what happened in Afghanistan and also what both Trump and Biden did... and I also discussed it on this forum as well at the time.....I used Afghanistan as an example here, to show you that you cannot compare what Trump has done in the past compared to what some other administration "might do", because you just do not know what would have happened...... you just don't,  you can only surmise... as I myself do regarding Trump handling the Afghanistan issue if he were still in office when it happened.

The reason why I gave the Afghanistan example is because Trump would never ever have treated the American citizens, soldiers and Afghan people / interpreters the way that Biden did.... Biden callously abandoned them and left them to literally run for their lives in the streets of Afghanistan, trying to seek refuge from the Taliban who were searching all the homes so they could shoot them for supporting the enemy...

I believe that Trump would never have allowed that to happen .... , especially that bombing whilst America still had soldiers on the ground and in that area, where I think 12 were killed.....  but Biden did it, and with absolutely no hesitation or remorse....

The reason why I believe Trump would never have allowed it to happen, is because of what Trump pre-empted with the Taliban from the very beginning.

Trump made the absolute correct chess move, right in the beginning by showing Mulla Abdul Ghani Baradar, the leader of the Taliban, a picture of his own house, and told him to think about what that meant....and also warned him that if he stepped out of line, he would be "Hit harder than any country has ever previously been hit by the USA"

Surprise surprise..... I am not aware of any significant incidents happening... .....but then Biden took over

He absolutely does deserve credit for that. But that can't be just viewed in isolation and not compared to how he handled the reset of the pandemic

Agreed, but some people cannot give him any credit at all, for absolutely nothing....which is my whole point.

Unfortunately some of the folks on this forum also are allowed to vote.

Scary.

Stav

There was a Defense Force Report  saying Biden fucked up royally in Afghanistan and the withdrawal was chaotic.    It presented a gift to China inasmuch they now claim - and it is true - that the withdrawal showed that the USA is not a reliable ally.   That report showed that you are blaming Trump for the Biden total f#ck-up.   Biden withdrew troops from Bagram Base - which was not in the plan of the troop withdrawal program - and in the process released 4 000 Al Qaeda and ISIS supporters without advising the Afghans at the base and fled from the base in the middle of the night leaving behind  equipment costing billions of Dollars.    As long as Trump was President the Taliban did not attack a single area held by the Government - realizing Biden is a supreme idiot they started attacking Government held towns and they breached the withdrawal agreement - when Trump was President they tried it once and were bombe3d out of existence - when Biden took over they were not punished for breaches of the agreement,    While the negotiations took place there was not a single US soldier killed  or wounded in Afghanistan  - the  Biden withdrawal resulted in deaths of thousands of people - including US soldiers,   The Allies being partners to the Withdrawal Agreement regarded the Biden withdrawal as stabs in their back.     

It was during October 2020 the New York Times came up with a story that Putin was paying the Taliban a grant for any US soldier killed by them.   It was an outright  lie and you probably fell for that one.    The US Allies still in Afghanistan said clearly it was BS - but the lot on site living from conspiracy theories had a field day on that one.   Hope you were not part of the BS spreaders - Rooinek and SB were.          

The China comments are definitely true.    Biden is f#cking up everything he touches, and the comments of the withdrawal being a gift to China shows daily developments threatening the world and international stability    In Korea  the question is when will the North Koreans and Chinese attack South  Korea  - not if it would happen - that is a bloody fact,    Today North Korea fired 20 intercontinental missiles over South Korea and Chinese planes entered the South Korean air space and they had to scramble fighters.    While in negotiation with Trump the North Koreans did not fire a single intercontinental missile - neither did they test aa single nuclear bomb,   Now with Biden in charge total chaos is again in evidence.    Taiwan will be attacked soon and South Korea would follow.   After that it will be the Australia to follow.           

" Here is the thing about what happened in Afghanistan. Trump signed a deal with the Taliban before the end of his term which the Afghan government in power at the time strongly objected too. For some time during which Trump was still President and and after Biden came into office the Taliban where clearly violating the agreement and continued to advance and retake territory and Trump had no problem with this . He was actually critical towards Biden when he delayed the withdrawal. It was only about two weeks before the complete collapse of the Afghan government and the Taliban take over when the writing was on the wall that Trump started criticizing Biden handling of the situation."

Another piece of total conspiracy theory BS.       There were two agreements actually signed - the one was between the USA, the Afghan Government and the Taliban.   That agreement gave guarantees to ensure stability and also provided for action if anybody breach the agreements.   That agreement had the blessing of the Allies with troops and welfare workers in Afghanistan  - the UK, Germany , the Netherlands and Italy,   The second agreement was between the Afghan Government and the Taliban dealing with prisoner exchange.  There were two parties who breached the Agreement - the Taliban and the USA Government under Biden.   As a result the Dutch Foreign Minister had to resign - the Biden catastrophe let to a motion being  passed in the Uk Parliament censuring the withdrawal chaos caused by the Talibiden regime.

Trump criticized Biden for not complying with the breaches of agreement by the Taliban as provided for in the Treaty - nothing else.     Your conspiracy theories on everything is great entertainment.     How is it possible for anybody to come up with so much BS every day 

LMAO.            

Still I’m wondering, why exactly are we paying a tribute to Fauci…can anybody please give us one thing he did that actually helped. Sorry to be a pest.

Fauci brought reason to the Whitehouse madness by providing sensible health recommendations, while Trump spent his time on Twitter contradicting the official Whitehouse stance on just about everything. 

Trump encouraged armed crazies to ignore lockdowns just to try to score political points. 
That was in between Trump's big brother reality show where he turned the Covid press briefings into a comedy like injecting disinfectants.

He also pushed bogus cures like Hydroxychloroquine. Fauci held firm and said there was no scientific basis for this, or later miracles cure like horse tranquillizers. 

A tribute because he made every mistake he could have, but he was right about hcq along with the rest of establishment medicine?

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"He saved no lives, that's just BS"

As I said...... what a twat

SB

You are talking  utter shit in this case.   Faucci will be investigated by the House and one of the specific items will be money flows from the Pharma Industry to him and his family.

By the way Faucci changed his recommendations on virtually a weekly basis and most of it was garbage,   Things like f you do not take vaccination and get infected you will die.   The vaccine did not prevent spreading it in some cases restrict the level of illness that followed infection.  

Also Faucci  lied in the Senate as to the funding of the gain-of-function research at Wuhan - when Trunmp found out what happened he fired Dr Death2.    Faucci's recommendations bankrupted tens of thousands of people and had nothing to do with advanced  medical scinece at all.   Dr Death2 will be lucky to stay out of jail after the House investigation.            

As I said...... what a twat

Oh cry me a river, have it your way, you've convinced me......... Trump is a Twat.

Happy now Biggles?

Trump's only mistake in Dentsie's video was not compensating for the fact that people like Dentsie would hear his words and interpret them as a suggestion to drink bleach.

Thing is, should anyone have to compensate for those as severely lacking in intelligence?

Uh-oh Mutt has announced himself.....Jeff wi ll be heartened Bwhahahahaha won't be long and we'll have the golden trifecta Bwhahahahaha

"Oh cry me a river, have it your way, you've convinced me"

Your level of stupidity has to be painful ..... and now I know why you are the miserable little boy that you are.....

"Thing is, should anyone have to compensate for those as severely lacking in intelligence?"

Plum, if you ever factor Den Den into anything at all, rather cross reference it to what you would expect a normal 3 year old child to do..... so yeah.....in his case, lot's of compensation for a complete lack of life skills and intelligence.

ccl

It was silly of the Donald, he speculated in front of his press enemies. You could see Donald was enjoying the brain storming….he never once told anybody to do anything. He posed a series of questions. These ideation sessions are standard in Corporate America….the idea is to find new concepts, not to conduct a verification process. Although that was probably not the right forum.

Mozart

The fact is that Faucci got his University education  near to60 years ago and fr the past 30 years was a  administrative official who did no research on his own and did not develop further keeping up to date with medical development.

That is why he caused the gain in function research that caused problems insofar as coronaviruses development is concerned,    That is also why he suggested methods you commented on above - distancing and claining of tables and hands after touching anything.   Those methods are not scientific at all - it was means to counter outbreaks of health disaster as from 1918 through to the 1960's.  

It often ahppened that he suggested one thing - like masking being totally ineffective and two weeks later suggested a completely different approach.     He was providing false advice to be followed and about the need to vaccinate children - a group of people who with extremely rare exceptions were not life-threatening.   His damage to the US economy was massive and the fact is the man ha no idea about what was to be done affecting the economy. 

As I see the situation the US economy is being damaged massively by a combination of factors the Biden Administration are implementing,   All of those has a negative effect on the US economy -  the Greens in the Administration attacks on agriculture  is just one of those,   They are the main course of inflation in the USA and things can only get worse in future.        

It was silly of the Donald, he speculated in front of his press enemies.

Yes it was silly of the Donald, but ah it yes it was really the fault of his enemies in the press because of course no other world leader would of got the piss taken out of them for saying the exact same thing.

You could see Donald was enjoying the brain storming

Donald Trump and brain storming...LOL...he just says what ever comes into his mind without thinking...yeah Donald lets Nuke a hurricane.

he never once told anybody to do anything.

In fairness that's true he didn't. But that doesn't stop people from thinking he did or thinking Donald was on too something.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world/us-coronavirus-deaths-by-bleach-disinfectant-injection-major-rise-trump-covid-19-treatment-616708

These ideation sessions are standard in Corporate America….the idea is to find new concepts, not to conduct a verification process.

You said this at the time but brain storming sessions are nothing unique to corporate America. Corporations, companies and organizations around the world do the same thing.

Although that was probably not the right forum.

No shit S herlock.