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And so it begins.... FBI Raid Trump's home

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DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Aug 2022, 10:02
#81
15 Aug 2022, 10:02#81

"You simply don't understand how the law works"

Yeah.... I see a lot of people on here don't, LMAO

"just as I'm entitled to my opinion that anyone who stills supports Trump after his term as President has no business talking about standards"

The difference is that your opinion is just complete and utter bias against Trump.....you will support anything and everything against Trump.... it's bloody obvious to most....and whilst I don't support everything against Hilary, I can very clearly see that you cannot be impartial at all between these two people.... it is clear as mud.

"Not delusional, its called fairness. We don't have all the facts yet"

Mmmm yeah.... so if Trump does in fact have classified documents at this residence, and if he does,, he should be nailed....in your view / opinion, it definitely constituted a raid on his home ...... but wait....... not Hilary though.... no... not Hilary...because those classified and Top Secret emails and documents....errrr.. Hilary just gave the FBI a server, and she then promised the FBI that that was all there was......and Hilary then conveniently forgot about thousands of other emails.... and also not knowing what was confidential or classified in those emails.....because maybe it said it was Top Secret or Classified somewhere other than in the actual header of the email or document.... all innocent mistakes.....or even denying sending some Top Secret emails on her private and unprotected server.....nah.... that didn't constitute any raid.... I mean, why would it.... the lady handed the evidence over by hand....and she promised them it was all she had....LMAO

LMAO, yeah, pull the other one dude... just look how stupid that sounds

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Aug 2022, 11:25
#82
15 Aug 2022, 11:25#82

Yeah.... I see a lot of people on here don't, LMAO

Because they are just as biased as you.

The difference is that your opinion is just complete and utter bias against Trump.....you will support anything and everything against Trump.... it's bloody obvious to most....and whilst I don't support everything against Hilary, I can very clearly see that you cannot be impartial at all between these two people.... it is clear as mud.

You're projecting your own lack of impartiality onto me. I said with the Trump search, we don't have access to the full details yet and passed no judgement on whether he was guilty or not. In terms of say the Muller report, I can have suspicions about whether Trump colluded with Russia or not but I absolutely acknowledge the report could not find enough evidence to bring charges against Trump and that was the end of the matter. The FBI could not find Clinton deliberately deleted e-mails to hide something or even that she lied. Yet you somehow think they had grounds to search her residence for something there is no evidence to support even exists.

Mmmm yeah.... so if Trump does in fact have classified documents at this residence, and if he does,, he should be nailed....in your view / opinion, it definitely constituted a raid on his home

Just talking about the legality of search it would appear to be above board because the FBI where able to convince a federal judge that they have enough evidence to justify a search warrant. On whether Trump is guilty or not, well lets see what the investigation turns up.

but wait....... not Hilary though.... no... not Hilary...because those classified and Top Secret emails and documents....errrr

Around in circles we go. Those classified and Top secret e-mails had already been handed over to the FBI. You wanted them to conduct a search for something you have no evidence to suggest exists.

Mmmm yeah.... so if Trump does in fact have classified documents at this residence, and if he does,, he should be nailed....in your view / opinion, it definitely constituted a raid on his home ...... but wait....... not Hilary though.... no... not Hilary...because those classified and Top Secret emails and documents....errrr.. Hilary just gave the FBI a server, and she then promised the FBI that that was all there was......and Hilary then conveniently forgot about thousands of other emails.... and also not knowing what was confidential or classified in those emails.....because maybe it said it was Top Secret or Classified somewhere other than in the actual header of the email or document.... all innocent mistakes.....or even denying sending some Top Secret emails on her private and unprotected server.....nah.... that didn't constitute any raid.... I mean, why would it.... the lady handed the evidence over by hand....and she promised them it was all she had....LMAO

The fact is with the Trump search is that a federal judge was convinced by whatever evidence was presented that there was grounds to issue a search warrant, and the repeated use of LMAO and all the sarcasm in the world isn't going to change the fact you have no evidence to support the claim that Clinton had additional e-mails. You're suspicions do not count as evidence.


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Aug 2022, 11:32
#83
15 Aug 2022, 11:32#83

Stav ... just how blind are you exactly?

You sound like an intelligent man so it cant be stupidity that has you saying these things.

Are you saying that the standards set by Biden and his minions are better than the standards set by Trump?

Surely not?

Give me an example of that. Just one.

Trump brought energy independence to the US for the first time in their history. In fact they exported oil and brought the price of oil right down

How about their best economy ever ... the best interest rates seen in decades ... the highest employment percentage ever ... across all race groups ... total control over their borders ... a fair shake regarding import and export tariffs with countries like China ... he improved their military might ... every citizen had more money in their pocket because of him ... kept taxes low ... increased productivity in the agricultural sector ... brought American offshore companies back which made more jobs available  ... he provided for the veterans ... negotiated peace and trade agreements between Israel and Saudi Arabia and several northern African countries like Tunisia and Egypt ... stood up to Iran ... rejected the agreements put together by the useless Obama ... destroyed terrorism, taking our top leaders and bringing their movement to a stand still ... forced the members of NATO to pay their share.

The list goes on and on ... and he did all of that in a mere 4 years. 

What has Biden done ... apart from destroy the country?

Please tell me?

Maybe it's time you pull your head out your ass and see things for what they really are.

Just a suggestion.



DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Aug 2022, 11:52
#84
15 Aug 2022, 11:52#84

"and the repeated use of LMAO and all the sarcasm in the world isn't going to change the fact you have no evidence to support the claim that Clinton had additional e-mails"

Don't get head of yourself Stav..... it took me quite a while to start using those LMAO's in this conversation with you...

Which is purely and honestly indicative of just how hilarious I really do find your replies....can't help it


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2022, 12:04
#85
15 Aug 2022, 12:04#85

Stav

There was another thing that everybody missed out and that is that the FBI never took a statement under oath from Clinton - since any lie could end up in her being sent to jail.   They knew she was lying, but they did not care because they covered up the whole e-mail story..    

The FBI also was the source of lies and false statements when it came to the Russian Hoax - the widely supported  and published  story of Collusion between Trump and Putin - based on lies  invented by the Democratic Party with the full support of the FBI and CIA and leaked to the media by the FBI and the CIA.

In Court cases you cannot lie and hope to get away with it.    The Special Prosecutor investigating the Hoax - is gunning for some FBI and CIA top officials and chances are they are going to be charged with undermining the USA Constitution.    

You must be extremely careful about what the media wrote and the fact is beyond doubt the FBI is not an independent crime fighting force anymore - they are an opposition oppressing force - they have raided the homes and offices of a string of opponents to the Democratic Party over the lasts ix months.    They have charged nobody with any crimes stemming from the raids and  it could only be considered as intimidation  of opposition  party members.

The Democratic Party is in serious trouble in the USA and the latest raid was a political strategy to scare people to vote for the Democrats based on scare stories of Collusion and other allegations made against the Republican Party and fear that they would be dismantled as a quasi-police force not really interested in crime fighting.   A typical example of what they allow is  incitement by politicians  to murder Supreme Court Judges - example Senator Schumer - and then a would-be assassin  from California. was flown in for that purpose was in fact arrested .  Protests at Judges homes are illegal and they FBI prefer not to deal with the issue because the protest are organized and funded by the Democratic Party.   When a Democrat tried to assassinate the  Republican Party Candidate  for election in New York Sate  - he was arrested and released by the Police the same day  without paying bail.   Whether he would actually be charged with a  crime remains another question.        ,      .    .\\   .         

XA
XaviPro1,924 posts
15 Aug 2022, 12:24
#86
15 Aug 2022, 12:24#86

"Stav ... just how blind are you exactly?

You sound like an intelligent man so it cant be stupidity that has you saying these things.

Are you saying that the standards set by Biden and his minions are better than the standards set by Trump?

Surely not?

Give me an example of that. Just one.

Trump brought energy independence to the US for the first time in their history. In fact they exported oil and brought the price of oil right down

How about their best economy ever ... the best interest rates seen in decades ... the highest employment percentage ever ... across all race groups ... total control over their borders ... a fair shake regarding import and export tariffs with countries like China ... he improved their military might ... every citizen had more money in their pocket because of him ... kept taxes low ... increased productivity in the agricultural sector ... brought American offshore companies back which made more jobs available  ... he provided for the veterans ... negotiated peace and trade agreements between Israel and Saudi Arabia and several northern African countries like Tunisia and Egypt ... stood up to Iran ... rejected the agreements put together by the useless Obama ... destroyed terrorism, taking our top leaders and bringing their movement to a stand still ... forced the members of NATO to pay their share.

The list goes on and on ... and he did all of that in a mere 4 years. 

What has Biden done ... apart from destroy the country?

Please tell me?

Maybe it's time you pull your head out your ass and see things for what they really are.

Just a suggestion."

 But, but, but Trumps nasty tweets......


Well said CC.

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Aug 2022, 12:57
#87
15 Aug 2022, 12:57#87

Don't get head of yourself Stav..... it took me quite a while to start using those LMAO's in this conversation with you...

Which is purely and honestly indicative of just how hilarious I really do find your replies....can't help it
That still doesn't make up for the lack of substance in your argument.

Waiting for you to provide me with any evidence that additional e-mails existed somewhere in the Clinton residency and that there was probably cause to conduct a search. Any day now? 
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Aug 2022, 13:24
#88
15 Aug 2022, 13:24#88

"That still doesn't make up for the lack of substance in your argument"

With you, on this topic....nothing will.... the penny finally dropped

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Aug 2022, 13:29
#89
15 Aug 2022, 13:29#89
What still no evidence?

Maybe the FBI should have gone to the judge and should have used sarcasm and LMAO a lot when taking to them to get that search warrant.


 
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Aug 2022, 14:07
#90
15 Aug 2022, 14:07#90

"Maybe the FBI should have gone to the judge and should have used sarcasm and LMAO a lot when taking to them to get that search warrant"

Actually, maybe the FBI  should just "trust" that if Trump said he had nothing, they should just believe him... very much just like you expected the FBI to believe Hilary, despite her very dishonest behaviour... and sudden memory loss of what she did wrong

LMAO.. you are funny

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Aug 2022, 14:24
#91
15 Aug 2022, 14:24#91

Actually, maybe the FBI  should just "trust" that if Trump said he had nothing, they should just believe him... very much just like you expected the FBI to believe Hilary, despite her very dishonest behaviour... and sudden memory loss of what she did wrong

You have no idea what evidence was used to obtain the search warrant of Trump's residency. You have said it came from a tip off. If that's true maybe the person who tipped the FBI off provided them with concrete evidence like say a photographic/video evidence of a top secret file or a recording of someone at the residency saying they will destroy the files. I don't know, you don't know. All we know for now is that a federal judge was convinced enough by whatever evidence was presented to him to provide a warrant.

You may have found Clinton dishonest. The FBI did not.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Aug 2022, 14:28
#92
15 Aug 2022, 14:28#92

"You may have found Clinton dishonest. The FBI did not"

And this was my point from the very beginning ..... very convenient wasn't it.

She was just very forgetful....in a consistent, and reckless... but innocent way

"If that's true maybe the person who tipped the FBI off provided them with concrete evidence like say a photographic/video evidence of a top secret file"

Ahhhh.. but you see, they also found numerous Top Secret files in Hilary's emails....physical evidence.....so you are now saying that given that they openly found Top Secret docs from Hilary's server, they had no cause at all to search her house for more evidence, because she said there weren't anymore... I promise you Mr FBI..... but they did for Trump?

Bloody laughable dude

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Aug 2022, 14:48
#93
15 Aug 2022, 14:48#93

So to summarise Stav, in your own opinion, which is stated very clearly in this last post of yours

Someone provides concrete evidence to the FBI... maybe a photograph or video evidence of a Top Secret file, and that gives the FBI enough evidence to raid Trump's home....cool, I agree.

The FBI were told by Hilary that there were no Classified or Top Secret files on her personal server, but the FBI themselves found quite a few of them....but that did not constitute a raid on her home...

Yep, you make perfect sense

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Aug 2022, 15:06
#94
15 Aug 2022, 15:06#94

And this was my point from the very beginning ..... very convenient wasn't it.

So basically you're implying the FBI are incompetent or they participated in a cover up. Can you provide evidence of that so?

She was just very forgetful....in a consistent, and reckless... but innocent way

Genuine question, can you provide me with a link about where Hilary forgot about thousands of e-mails?

Ahhhh.. but you see, they also found numerous Top Secret files in Hilary's emails

OMG, how many times will this take to register with you, the FBI already had those e-mails in their possession when they discovered some of those e-mails contained classified information. The existence of those e-mails is not evidence that other e-mails existed. You can't just search a home without probable cause.

....physical evidence....

Yes of e-mails they already had!... not physical evidence that other e-mails existed.

so you are now saying that given that they openly found Top Secret docs from Hilary's server, they had no cause at all to search her house for more evidence

Correct.

.so you are now saying that given that they openly found Top Secret docs from Hilary's server, they had no cause at all to search her house for more evidence, because she said there weren't anymore... I promise you Mr FBI.

I know your trying to be sarcastic here but that is correct. There was no physical evidence indicating other e-mails existed and the FBI did not believe she was lying.

.... but they did for Trump?

Again I don't know the full details of what evidence was used to obtain the search warrant. Neither do you know, but a federal judge thought it was compelling enough to issue the warrant. I somehow doubt the FBI went to the judge and said we don't believe Trump now give us a warrant.

Bloody laughable dude

Yes but not in the way you think.


ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Aug 2022, 15:22
#95
15 Aug 2022, 15:22#95

So to summarize Stav, in your own opinion, which is stated very clearly in this last post of yours

Someone provides concrete evidence to the FBI... maybe a photograph or video evidence of a Top Secret file, and that gives the FBI enough evidence to raid Trump's home....cool, I agree.

Yeah I'd consider that evidence and fair process.

The FBI were told by Hilary that there were no Classified or Top Secret files on her personal server, but the FBI themselves found quite a few of them....but that did not constitute a raid on her home...

Lets put it this way.

If it turns out that those files Trump contain top secret information, is the existence of those files evidence that Trump has other files top secret files stored away somewhere on his other properties? Hint, no its not.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Aug 2022, 15:26
#96
15 Aug 2022, 15:26#96

"The existence of those e-mails is not evidence that other e-mails existed. You can't just search a home without probable cause..."

Yeah.... correct, I guess you never can find something, if you are not fully prepared to look for it....

So... according to you, the hypothetical photo or video you mentioned earlier is, more than enough evidence for the FBI to raid Trump's residence..

But actual numerous Top Secret and Classified documents, on a server which Hilary continually denied ever existed, warrants nothing more...

Cool dude.... I'll end this right there......because that is just hilarious

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Aug 2022, 15:31
#97
15 Aug 2022, 15:31#97

"If it turns out that those files Trump contain top secret information, is the existence of those files evidence that Trump has other files top secret files stored away somewhere on his other properties?"

If the FBI found out that any of those files at his residence, included extremely sensitive information pertaining to the future stability or integrity or safety of the United States of America, then I would fully expect them to raid more Trump homes.... absolutely yes.

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Aug 2022, 15:45
#98
15 Aug 2022, 15:45#98

Yeah.... correct, I guess you never can find something, if you are not fully prepared to look for it....

I don't spend my time looking for something for which no evidence exists.

So... according to you, the hypothetical photo or video you mentioned earlier is, more than enough evidence for the FBI to raid Trump's residence..

But actual numerous Top Secret and Classified documents, on a server which Hilary continually denied ever existed, warrants nothing more...

You're just not grasping this. Hilary having those e-mails is not evidence more e-mails exist. The fact that Hilary was wrong when she said said the e-mails on her private e-mail server did not contain classified information is also not evidence that more e-mails exist.

Cool dude.... I'll end this right there......because that is just hilarious

You can find it hilarious all you want, all you're doing is laughing at your own ignorance of the law.


ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Aug 2022, 15:47
#99
15 Aug 2022, 15:47#99

If the FBI found out that any of those files at his residence, included extremely sensitive information pertaining to the future stability or integrity or safety of the United States of America, then I would fully expect them to raid more Trump homes.... absolutely yes.

That would be against the law., without additional evidence.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Aug 2022, 16:04
#100
15 Aug 2022, 16:04#100
"If that's true maybe the person who tipped the FBI off provided them with concrete evidence like say a photographic / video evidence of a top secret file or a recording of someone at the residency saying they will destroy the files"
This is where your very clear hypocrisy started and became so obvious..... so enough said...
Enjoy the rest of your Monday
ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Aug 2022, 16:20
#101
15 Aug 2022, 16:20#101
This is where your very clear hypocrisy started and became so obvious..... so enough said...
Enjoy the rest of your Monday
LOL...best of luck.
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
15 Aug 2022, 16:59
#102
15 Aug 2022, 16:59#102

DA you are wasting your time with you know who.

It is clear to one and all that he is against and anti Trump in every one of his posts and just another "Demorat" posing as a unbiased blogger who cannot see or understand the truth or see the corruption and deceit being perpetrated by the Demorats and their Federal departments.

The truth will eventually show the corruption that the "Left" have gone to in an effort to derail President Trump accusing him of espionage all to stop him running in 2024.

The truth being is that the Demorats know that if President Trump is elected it will be the end of the Demorat's  so they cannot afford to let that happen thus the desperate action we now see being played out. 

Watch for the DEMORATS deserting their sinking ship and seeking pardons bigtime.



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2022, 17:06
#103
15 Aug 2022, 17:06#103

Stav  

You're projecting your own lack of impartiality onto me. I said with the Trump search, we don't have access to the full details yet and passed no judgement on whether he was guilty or not. In terms of say the Muller report, I can have suspicions about whether Trump colluded with Russia or not but I absolutely acknowledge the report could not find enough evidence to bring charges against Trump and that was the end of the matter. The FBI could not find Clinton deliberately deleted e-mails to hide something or even that she lied. Yet you somehow think they had grounds to search her residence for something there is no evidence to support even exists.

There has been a  number of investigations and apparently your suspicion is worthless.   The story started off from lies spun by Clinton and her inner circle  about collusion.  They paid an ex-pom spy to write a dossier in which he was fed stories by Clinton's associates and paid millions to write a dossier proving links between Trump and Putin.   It was a total lie - of which the FBI was aware - but they spread stories to  newspapers who published it as factual.   

What was worse they said  the Steele dossier was worthless - yet the FBI and Justice Department used the dossier to get permission from the FIS Court to get permission to spy on Page and thus on the whole Trump election campaign - not only once - but four times.   In doing that they certify to the court that the dossier was reliable.

A lot of the  People involved spread stories to the media for five  years running - but got nothing to p roof their allegations.   Anybody believing or being suspicious can only be influenced by the media over years - now being proved as Democratic Party lies in which all of Obama and  his WH, the Clinton election campaign. the Democrats, the FBI and the CIA  had  roles to play.    

Anybody which has a suspicion on that issue - should have  made some studies on the issue and subsequent investigations.  There was nothing proved  other than the whole issue was BS lies spread by the Democrats and their henchmen.    You apparently pride yourself on using facts - but in this case there were no facts at all -  If it was not based on lies concocted by the Democrats  in 2016 - one could have called it a conspiracy  theory -  in reality it was a factual lie and not a theory.

You make a mistake - I am not supporting Trump = I am opposing Government corruption and of that there are plenty of written evidence available which should have been  investigated by the FBI - but whether you believe it or not - they are not interested in exposing criminal activities by the Democrat Party members.

I have my own suspicions about the present raid.   The FBI claimed that a nameless whistleblower alerted them to the problem - but it is a Democratic Party and apparently a  normal practice to use unnamed "whistleblowers"   that will never give evidence in public as happened in the so-called  first impeachment.  of Trump.   They had zero evidence of anything other than statements like "I think it may have been the case" they could never proof anything and the Democrats concocted a report making claims that it was factual.

There is a very sick situation in Washington and we will see what happens  in the next election in November.    .   .            .                .   

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
16 Aug 2022, 07:47
#104
16 Aug 2022, 07:47#104

"DA you are wasting your time with you know who"

100% AJH.... it was time to move on.... too much ignorance and stupidity in such a short space of time

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
16 Aug 2022, 08:32
#105
16 Aug 2022, 08:32#105
Lol...I wasn't the person displaying ignorance of how the law works. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2022, 10:18
#106
16 Aug 2022, 10:18#106

The question marks are not answered by Stav.anyway - especially his "suspicion| about Russian Collusion " at all.   

Let me put it straight.    A month or so ago I wrote on site that In suspect the Democrats would get into dirty political business  to  try and influence  the mid-term election as they did in 2020 when they organized and funded the riots in cities all over the USA when they tried to create an idea that  the country was ungovernable because of racism of the Trump Governable.    

There were riots throughout the USA  in cities controlled by Democrat cities.   The leftist media stated that it was peaceful protests and there was no condemnation of anything about it in the media at all.    It is beyond doubt  that the so-called "peaceful protests  wee organized and funded  by the Democrats  they paid the costs of transport of protestors from city to city and paid for their accommodation as well,     Yet  in the case of the so-called peaceful protests -

*     there were 45 murders directly linked to the "peaceful protests"   the the rioters using firearms and Molotov cocktails - the latter of which were  delivered by vehicles to them  on an organized basis to  murder the people concerned;

*      there were more  than a 1 000 police officers seriously injured by rioters even though the police  were instructed not to try and prevent the rioters from doing what they did  and the Democrats stated that the Police should be defunded for being racist in their actions; and

*       there were thousands of inner city businesses looted and burned down during the riots - causing damages running into billions of dollars,

The Democrat controlled House refused to launch an investigation of the situation and despite restrictions based on them the Police  arrested more than 1 500 rioters.    The local DA's  in Democratic Party controlled cities refused to  charge the rioters with any crimes - even murder -  and  freed the arrestees without charges.

A typical example was a retired Police officer who served as such for more than 30 years and then retired to open a small business in an Ohio city and at the age of 78 was murdered trying to protect his business.  He was shot and killed and two criminals who were used as rioters were arrested for the murder.    The Democratic Party DA in the city concerned refused to charge them with murder  and in the end the Governor of Ohio appointed a private lawyer to charge the two rioters concerned with rioting and especially murder.    The jury took less than 30 minutes to find the two guilty after completion  of the  evidence provided in the Court case.    

So what  the FBI  and Justice Department record on the political issues since 2015:-   

*     In the 2016  election  and since the Democratic Party, the FBI and the CIA  used the Russian Hoax issue during and after the election.    They concocted the lies and even paid for the famous Steele Dossier that was on its own total garbage.     The FBI and Justice Department was involved up their necks in that lies involved and they spread news about it through "leaks" to the media .

*     In the 2020 election the  FBI and Justice Department ignored the violent riots organized by the Democratic Party  and the subsequent release of the arrested rioters.

*     It is 2022  now and what happened is again another scandal involving the Democratic Party and the FBI and Justice Department - this time it is connected to the raid on the home of Trump - since the January 6 Committee 's story did  not have the sway needed to scare voters to vote against the Republican Party candidates.   They thought in dealing with the Home of Trump issue that it would help the Democrats - the Party is in serious trouble with the electorate since everything the Biden Administration touched turned into shit.

Taking into account the CONDUCT of the  Democratic Party, the Justice Department, the FBI and the CIA since 2015 it is logical to accept that it is a political issue  involving all the above in a desperate effort to save the Democratic Party from a serious embarrassment in the upcoming elections.    

Since the FBI did the search in the absence  of  any observers - the Trump lawyer was forced illegally to leave the premises  -  the FBI could plant documents themselves into the boxes they collected and claim it was real documents found at the Trump residence.   They have lied repeatedly in the past in court cases  - ie the FIS Court application to spy on Page and in the course of which they spied on the Trump election campaign ,as well  and they lied about the case against Flynn - nothing will stop them from lying this time around. as well.

So keep on being happy about "facts" you use and remember that your "facts" came mostly from media lies.    In any event  I do not expect a response to the above FACTS. 

LMAO.      

                                     

                       

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
16 Aug 2022, 13:22
#107
16 Aug 2022, 13:22#107

Interesting how Trump's passports were taken... then they were not taken.....but then they were taken... and then they were getting returned to him...

Too funny


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2022, 16:29
#108
16 Aug 2022, 16:29#108

DA

Thiss is a mess - the whole story is a political farce and based on lies.   The DP and te FBI act on a whistleblower to start impeachment procedures - and in the end there was NO whistleblower - the hearing of the histleblower in the Impeachment case could have been ehard in camera if theyw anted to protect him or her never materialized.

This time around  it was again a whistleblower causing the FBI too act - but you can bet your bottom dollar the name and evidence would never be released or produced,    The whole thing is another lie in the hope of something coming out that would help the desperate  Democrats in the mid[term election.   

Tomorrow is the Alaska and Wyoming primary elections.   Both Cheyne and Muzorski has advised the Demcorats how to cross ove and vote for them to save them as candidates,  The weird Alaska system may yet save Muzorski - but the Republican establsiment can do what Muzorski did in 2010  and that is to run as an independent candidate and join the Republican Party after the 8 November election.    

Cheyne has no chance of winning in Wyoming and most of her votes will come from Democrats   re-registered as Republicans especially to help Cheyne.   Even that would not save Cheyne at all.    The latest charade of the FBI is ging to fire up republicans to vote - both tomorrow and  in November.    I think people in the USA finally realize that the situation to gvet rid of the socialist control is on Novmber 8,   

Watch out for delivery vehicles delivering votes to counting centers  between 02:00 and 06:00 on 9 Npvember 2022  - after the centers were closed after counting all votes and then the unobserved counting will finalize the late arrival votes.      .                 

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
16 Aug 2022, 17:01
#109
16 Aug 2022, 17:01#109

Wonder why the DOJ refuses to make the document public.

President Trump agrees to making it public but the DOJ opposess releasing the document.

WONDER WHY!

Is it because they overplayed the process and charges or are they holding out long enough in a faint "HOPE" that the November elections will not be influenced by their disregard for DUE PROCESS.

Criminal every single one in the WH, DOJ, FBI and all state and Federal departments.

Appears to be a big issue for the Demorts.


SH
sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
16 Aug 2022, 19:34
#110
16 Aug 2022, 19:34#110

I only wish the Trumpazees could be locked up, after Trump is in bars. Why don't you organise some protests? 

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
16 Aug 2022, 21:30
#111
16 Aug 2022, 21:30#111

So keep on being happy about "facts" you use and remember that your "facts" came mostly from media lies.    In any event  I do not expect a response to the above FACTS. 

LMAO.    

Is LMAO your guess what my response would be?

Because if so you w ere spot on!

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
16 Aug 2022, 23:38
#112
16 Aug 2022, 23:38#112

LOCK HIM UP!!!  Any of the Trumpanzees are conspirators that should be locked up as well. 
We will get Trump, it just remains to be seen how many of the Republican party are going to join him behind bars...

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
17 Aug 2022, 09:01
#113
17 Aug 2022, 09:01#113

"Is it because they overplayed the process and charges or are they holding out long enough in a faint "HOPE" that the November elections will not be influenced by their disregard for DUE PROCES"

The way things have been going for the last few years, it seems absolutely nothing is off limits...and any tactic will be used to gain any kind of advantage, including false narratives and baseless accusations...



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2022, 09:38
#114
18 Aug 2022, 09:38#114

AJH

I enjoy Stav's postings very much.   He si in total opposition to facts as listed and because the leftist media do not report on issues he is totally unaware of the situation.   

However, why is the FBI and the Justice Department refusing to release the search warrant  application?    Stav for instance claimed the search warrant approval was given by a "Federal Judge" - it was not the case at all.   It was given by a local Judge - in English terms a magistrate,

The FBI and Justice Department is fighting for their lives  not to have he details becoming available and a Federal Judge is going to hear evidence today as to why the document should be released.    If he does approve release of the Document to Trump it will be in the media in 24 hours and that would expose the whole situation.       

I think the whole Raid issue was a political scam by the Biden Administration and the Democrats to happen before the upcoming election and release would evidently be a disaster for the Administration  and the Democrats.    

A Federal Judge would want to have all documentation leading to the search available  and if there is any monkey business involved - which is highly likely in this case - there would be hell to play.                 .  

    

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2022, 19:26
#115
18 Aug 2022, 19:26#115

The fact is that under the special circumstances pertaining to the raid, an applocation ws made to the same local court who authorized the  raid to release the affidavit  apparently signed by Garland to the Public.   The Justice Department is fighting all out to prevent the release of the document claiming it would jeopardize their further "invet1ogations"

The Justice Department had for 18 months being investigating Trump and so far found nothing that they can charge  him of.  so what further investigations are needed.   However, the fact is that release of the affidavit would indicate whether  the raid was justified. and the politicals torm around it would subside/   Keeping it secret will justify  allegations that the raid was a a "hunting for evidence effort and that the matter was not a political sideshow aimed at the  8 November election. .   

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DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
19 Aug 2022, 11:16
#116
19 Aug 2022, 11:16#116

Where and who is this federal judge that is getting referred to so often? 

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
19 Aug 2022, 11:53
#117
19 Aug 2022, 11:53#117

Bruce Reinhart was the magistrate Judge the signed off on the search warrant. My mistake in calling him a federal judge. I stand corrected.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
19 Aug 2022, 12:44
#118
19 Aug 2022, 12:44#118

Cool Stav

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