Arizona vote Audit - latest information

The Arizona Senate has given the Maricopa Election Board a final notice to provide the info the Court hs instruce them to provide - and apparently the Board members are afraid if they provide the relevant info - they and the State Secretary in Arizona will all land in jail for many years to come.   I think some of them will turn State Evidence to try and stay out of jail. 

What scare them stiff is that the  Arizona Senate has instructed the Arizona  State attioreney to lay charges  of fraud against perpetrators 

Be it as it may they are rechecking their data for the fourth time and then the number of votes for Biden and Trump  would start coming out even before the final report is completed.    The Biden crowd  is scared about what will come out  and the Democrats in Washington are trying to lay charges as to breaking of the state election law.   They are also pleading with Biden to somehow stop the auditing of votes in other state and also Arizona.   

The auditors have a statement that only 51 000  votes were applied for in respect of mail in ballots and over 125 000 voters were received and counted.   If that be the case how was the 74 000 ballots obtained and  who printed the ballots, especially since there were at least on critical problem  with the printing.

the other problem is that the Maricopa Board has not yet provided the envelopes in which the 125 000 votes were mailed in to the  the auditors,   Why should they be afraid to do that?        

"If anyone wants to read about this from a reliable and unbiased sorece, click here and.."

It's very unlikely that any source regarding this issue will be reliable or unbiased...I'll start believing things when I see voter fraud proven in a court...or disproven...we'll see what happens with this. If there really were fraud, this will go all the way. Previous allegations of fraud got dismissed by the courts,  because it wasn't backed up by evidence.

Obviously the audit is partisan,  why would the Dems investigate a result they won? 

Stav, the US elections are naively unsecure and I'm sure there's a lot of shenanigans going on all fronts...lot's of money and interests at stake. With 330M population, you are bound to have your fair number of crooked politicians...if it really influenced the presidential election is a different story, but if there's smoke, it should be investigated...and there surely were a few peculiarities to say the least.

Stav, the US elections are naively unsecure

No they are not. The vote's have been checked, rechecked and checked again. No significant irregularities have been found. The official that Trump put in placed to ensure the elections was free and fair, said the election was perfectly legit. International observers said it was legit. Both democratic and republican party members where present in the counting stations, they would have seen the fraud if it was taking place. Surely is there was solid evidence it would have been presented now after all these months. But still nothing. And yes I did look at a dozen of so reported irregularities and all they turned out to be bullshit. I'm not wasting any more time looking at them.

I'm sure there's a lot of shenanigans going on all fronts...lot's of money and interests at stake. With 330M population, you are bound to have your fair number of crooked politicians...if it really influenced the presidential election is a different story,

There indeed may well be shenanigans going on from both sides but no credible evidence has been present of actual voter fraud on a significant scale.

"if there's smoke, it should be investigated...and there surely were a few peculiarities to say the least."

There is no smoke. To me its blatantly obvious that Trump came up with voter fraud well in advance of the election as cover to explain away any potential election loss. He had been going on about mail in voting fraud for years but never presented any evidence.  Now that he's actually lost I've no doubt Trump genuinely believes there was election fraud because he cannot accept the fact that Biden beat him, a person he has such contempt for and he openly mocked. Trump is raging ego manic who can not face the humiliation of not only losing to "senile" Biden in a free vote but also being trashed by him (how Trump described his electoral collage victory over Hilary when he beat Hilary by the same margin Biden went on to beat him by).

And election night was pretty accurately predicted in advance. Many predicted Trump would do well at first but that as the count progressed mail in voting which was counted later would start tipping the vote in Biden's favor. In certain states the mail voting could have been counted in advance but that was blocked by republicans, which helped them create the narrative that the swing to Biden was suspicious. It was also predicated Trump would prematurely declare victory which he did. Trump doesn't give a shit for democracy only for himself and his actions since the election have just given the worlds authoritarian leaders and despots a stick to beat democracy over the head with.

Well - oif an audit is done and in one country 51 000 votes are sent out to be used as mail-in votes and in return you get 125 000 mail in votes sent in - what happened?   Where did the 74 000 unidentified mail-in votes came from?   How is it possible - especially since there is a serious problem in printing in which the secret code is different on the front and back of the votes?   Somebody printed the 74 000 votes and sent them in to be counted as mail-in votes. 

The problem i9n the USA is that in some states there is no requirement that voters before voting needs to be identified. and that opens the way for fraudulent votes.   In any event in Arizona there has already been a supreme Court hearing that vote harvesting practiced by the Democrats is illegal and that is also a factor in a state where Biden won by less than 10 500 votes.

The whole emss in Arizona will end up in the Supreme Court and that is the Court  that will decide on whether the election in that State was legitimate or not.   I am afraid that in the 20216 election it was found that in California  over 3,8 million people voted  who died before the election date and left the State and whose voter registration was  not deleted.    Since it did not influence the outcome of the election of he President  it was not audited.     However the Court ruled  in 2008 that the voters role should be cleared up and dead and departed people should be eliminated  from the role  - the  Democratic State Government has not complied with the instruction yet.   

Now back to the Arizona case - checking of the register revealed  that over 11 000  dead people was miraculously raised from the dead for the election and voted.

In 2016 there were 1275 cases of serious election fraud and people were jailed for it.  Of the 1275 cases - fraud was committed by 1274  Democrats and 1 by a Republican.  Election fraud is massive in the USA and that remains a problem.

i am sorry - but if major fraud is finally uncovered and that is no0t in Arizona alone - and found to be organized by the Democrats  the results could be nullified  and a fresh election in that state called if the Supreme Court deal with the issue.   

\Please note that in the latest Rassmu8ssen Opinion pole 55% of the people polled  believe there was major .election fraud in the election and that include 185 of the people supporting the  Democratic Party.    

I would not be so sure fraud on a massive scale did not occur if I were you.   There are 4 other States where audits is underway and if Biden lost in those four States he would not eb the elected President.    So rather wait till you claim  the outcome was not crooked.           .             \

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Stav, any place in the world where you can vote without ID is suspect...and if predictions were anything to go by, Trump would never have been president in the first time around.

"There indeed may well be shenanigans going on from both sides but no credible evidence has been present of actual voter fraud on a significant scale."

And if there's no credible evidence presented,  I'm happy if things stay the same. The lack of evidence does not automatically proof that everything is hunky dorey.

"Both democratic and republican party members where present in the counting stations, they would have seen the fraud if it was taking place."

There are allegations that this is not the case....still to be proven...I say again, six counties swung the election...six...small scale fraud could have influenced this election...if it's possible in any way, it should be investigated...not to reverse the result, I don't believe that will be possible,  but thd integrity of elections should be a priority everywhere in thde world...including thd USA.

Well - oif an audit is done and in one country 51 000 votes are sent out to be used as mail-in votes and in return you get 125 000 mail in votes sent in - what happened?   Where did the 74 000 unidentified mail-in votes came from?   How is it possible - especially since there is a serious problem in printing in which the secret code is different on the front and back of the votes?   Somebody printed the 74 000 votes and sent them in to be counted as mail-in votes.

No they did not. The 74,000 votes came from a misunderstanding of the early voting process and the auditors misusing Maricopa County documents

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/19/donald-trump/no-evidence-74000-ariz-mail-ballots-cast-2020-elec/

Now back to the Arizona case - checking of the register revealed  that over 11 000  dead people was miraculously raised from the dead for the election and voted.

In 2016 there were 1275 cases of serious election fraud and people were jailed for it.  Of the 1275 cases - fraud was committed by 1274  Democrats and 1 by a Republican.  Election fraud is massive in the USA and that remains a problem.

Where are you getting this from? I can't find any reference to 11,000 dead people voting in Arizona or 1275 cases of fraud in the 2016 election?

In fact a Trump commission found no evidence of widespread fraud in the 2016 election.

https://apnews.com/article/north-america-donald-trump-us-news-ap-top-news-elections-f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d

Please note that in the latest Rassmu8ssen Opinion pole 55% of the people polled  believe there was major .election fraud in the election and that include 185 of the people supporting the  Democratic Party.   

No they do not. 55% support the auditing of votes not that they believe there was major election fraud.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/june_2021/55_of_voters_support_election_audits

I would not be so sure fraud on a massive scale did not occur if I were you.   There are 4 other States where audits is underway and if Biden lost in those four States he would not eb the elected President.    So rather wait till you claim  the outcome was not crooked.           .      

It ain't going to happen. If your remotely impartial you would see the claims of election fraud for what they are, absolute bullshit.

If anyone wants to believe tbat Biden got millions of votes more than Obama did in 2012, it's their prerogative...more than 100% voting percentage in crucial counties...another thing.

Stav, any place in the world where you can vote without ID is suspect...and if predictions were anything to go by, Trump would never have been president in the first time around

I prefer evidence to suspicions. And just because a pre election predictions where wrong before doesn't mean they will be wrong the next time.

And if there's no credible evidence presented,  I'm happy if things stay the same. The lack of evidence does not automatically proof that everything is hunky dorey.

That's just another way of saying I'll believe what I want to believe. Its makes an awful lot more sense to hold a position when you have evidence to support. I could say there is pink teapot orbiting Saturn, no I don't have evidence but just because there is no evidence doesn't mean a pink teapot isn't orbiting Saturn.

There are allegations that this is not the case....still to be proven...I say again, six counties swung the election...six...small scale fraud could have influenced this election...if it's possible in any way, it should be investigated...not to reverse the result, I don't believe that will be possible,  but thd integrity of elections should be a priority everywhere in thde world...including thd USA.

Again no credible evidence has been presented to support those allegations.

If anyone wants to believe tbat Biden got millions of votes more than Obama did in 2012, it's their prerogative...more than 100% voting percentage in crucial counties...another thing.

Again it was anti Trump vote. Trump is so despised by at least half of America if not slightly more that they would probably voted for A tilla the Hun if it meant getting rid of the orange manchild.

I wonder how much Stav. is getting paid to write the BS he is on this topic.

Either very Pissed after a few to many at the SWAN or he is related to either one of the other Biden Ministers on the forum.

DbDraad you have provided more than enough documentation that requires further investigating by the DOJ, FBI and hopefully their are a few honest folks working in those dept. other than the Biden supporters appointed to block all and any evidence that reflects the truth.

I find it scary to watch Biden on any news channel as he is way past his best use by date and in fact it is shocking to see what he and his scumbags have done to date.

A Trumpanzee uses a baseless argument as the basis of another baseless accusation. 
Either Stupid or just lying. 

If Trump admits to attempted election fraud, the Trumpanzee may not even believe it

Stav, so if there's indications of a possible crime, it should not be investigated? Investigate to find credible evidence or the lack thereof,  you can't just ignore it.

Stav

The Arizona Senate must have more info on the factual situation than we know.   They have instructed  the Attorney General  of Arizona to determine who was responsible for the fraud and charge him or them if there are more than one.    At this stage the State Secretary and  the Election Board members - who ran the election - are the prime suspects. 

Neither the media nor the Democratic Party will determine what the legal position would be when the matter goes to Court.  

That info on election fraud in 2016 was in the media at the time.   Can remember the numbers clearly - but cannot in which paper I read it.   I must admit also I believe and said so repeatedly - that the  Democratic Party leadership are made up of liars and corrupted individuals..  I do not trust that Party and  would never put anything beyond them.  

They are protected by the Justice Department who do not act on proven criminality.   However,  we will see whether they have sunk even deeper in criminality in the recent election.            

All four  investigations  resulted from credible evidence I am afraid.

If you are committed to the cause, then make a donation to Trump's Go Fund Me account. He also has other campaigns that are accepting donations. 

No - I do not think that would be necessary.   What I am against is  Democratic Party seeming being criminal - that is all.     If Democrats are arrested for election fraud   you can make a donation for their defense - since it appears you side with criminals anyway,    .         

Draad,

Ask Star if he supported the Russia investigation?

Funny how manpower and money can be spent on what turned out to be a giant Russian zero, on the basis of a single fabricated document. Yet, with plenty of circumstantial eveidence(Rooi, you need to research what that term means), no investigation into election fraud is warranted.

Politics used to be interesting. 

Now it's just a bunch of lame slurs from biased quarters. 

Would be great to hear some of the older guys talk about conservatism and liberalism principals and why they choose one side over the other. I identify most closely with Libetarian views because it seems to be the most logical approach. Particularly in the face of big tech and g overnment seemingly forming unstoppable conglomerates. 

I think much of government function can and should be automated these days.  The rest should be minimised as much as possible. Decentralisation has been the key to humanity moving forward at so many junctures in our history, and now technology is allowing for more. Ride the wave and put power back in people's hands.

"Would be great to hear some of the older guys talk about conservatism and liberalism principals and why they choose one side over the other."

You mean like on this thread where I tried to explain to you how I incorporate elements of liberalism and conservatism into my own beliefs and you didn't have the intellect to understand what I was saying?

Perhaps I did get it, but considering the source, used the opportunity to do some trolling.

I guess we'll never know.

Ag, you fluctuate, Rooi.

At the time you were being a supreme tit.

You know I don't always take the low road as regards your posts.

"At the time you were being a supreme tit."

He is always like that, ever since he told us all to fuck off and left the board in a hissy fit...or a sissy fit actually...something broke...probably the glass jaw...

He's got no interest in actually discussing anything...a barrage of insults everytime he encounters an opposing view...coward to boot...waste of time...don't know why I even bother...I suppose it's fun yelling at arseholes...

Hey Rudehole:

or do you you prefer Rudehole? I'll use Rudenek when you're not being a complete pr!ck.

Love it Db.

You obviously have zero idea what is happening in this case.   I did not say  anything about the issue - other than what is the factual position at this stage and meme is of no help to anybody - but the extreme stupid.

I  cans till emphasize that facts will have to go to court and that will form the basis of court decisions.   At this stage things do not look good in the case of he Arizona audit for the Democrats and that is what came out of the audit thus fdar.   

Courts will ultimately have to decide on what is to happen - not the media or any political party and that is what counts.

As to your constant reverting to religion is KACK in capitol letters.