Bozo's days are numbered . . .

So Trump dared Nancy Pelosi to impeach him. I wonder why he would do that. Could this be the reason?

Ceradyne

Watch the following video about an Antifa member interview - is that what the allies of the DP looks like?

Jimmy Dore FTW!!!

Green energy companies LOL!

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Rooinek here is an update for you on the number of days left in DT's Presidency.

438 Days term 1

1460 Days term 2

Unfortunately, legally he is limited to two terms.

Depressing to know that I bet.

Cheer up you do have Cyril to attend to you issues in RSA.

Draad

That clip leaves out one thing and that is where the Steele Dossier came from.  It had part of its origin in Ukraine and what they are afraid of is that the investigation would unmask the complot of the Obama Administration (inclusive of Obama himself, Kerry and Biden)  in the complot and the instructions and requests to personnel attached to  the Government of Ukraine to undermine the Trump election campaign and to assist in the subsequent campaign against him ending up in the Mueller investigation.

Even in May this year three US Senators of the DP wrote to the Ukraine Government to pressurize them to help Mueller to get dirt on Trump. 

Heaven help them if the Crowdstrike investigation produces prove of what actually was going on.  Obama is as quiet as a church mouse on the issue - one can be sure he is quacking in his boots that the issue will become clear.

It is no wonder that elements in the FBI and Justice Department wanted the Ukraine Billionaire who has all the info through Crowdstrike extradited to the US to face trumped up charges.   They would through that effort get into the computer system of the said billionaire and tr y to destroy all the evidence.

I think it may be quite possible that there were two issues why the Ukraine Government were threatened with the withholding  of  the $1 billion  loan facility and that had to do with -

*    major intend to force the  Ukraine Government to provide  evidence implicating Trump as a "traitor: to the USA by colluding with the Russians in the 2016 elections; and

*    minor intend to stop any action as to the involvement of the Biden's in corruption in the Ukraine through getting the Chief Prosecutor fired.

The more I hear of this story the more I think the real traitors in the USA are the Democrats and their corrupt leadership.

Maaik, I have known about these things for years now...not everything, but most of it, but somehow the media just ignores it and spins it as fake news.

FFS, Biden bragged about having the Ukrainian prosecutor fired...WTF? John Kerry's son is in the same boat...and the same thing is going on with China, not to mention the Clintons! Pelosi and Feinstein too.

And there are intelligent, highly educated people, lapping up this BS because Trump is rude and orange and...whatever. 

They loved him for years, up until he criticized Obama in 2012. Before that Oprah practically begged him to run for POTUS. The Clintons were at his wedding...etc..etc.

Corrupt to the core, the whole lot of them!

And if you really want to know what the Paris Accord was all about, look at green energy companies.  Look at Pelosi's hasband and other Dems all the way back to Al Gore.

The Paris Accord has got nothing to do with the environment.  Global Warming and Climat Change is a scam to enslave us. They are not trying to protect the environment, they make money from selling fear to the populace. It's a money laundering scheme. 

They don't tell us about the serious environmental damage some of these "green BS" is causing. Some weird science involved in "Sun mining" too....I can go on for weeks.

DbDraad your comments have captured some  rip offs that the tree hugging Demorats have committed over the years.

These guys are all about money irrespective of who,what or where it is carried out.

Just look at the wealth these politicians have accumulated whilst in office and how they did it. Criminals to the last.

DT is determined to drain the swamp and every American citizen should support him in his efforts to get it done asap.

Kerry should be arrested, charged and convicted (with treason) for going behind DT and meeting with the Iranians. Then shot at dawn in Cuba.

Cannot for the life of me understand how these guys have got away with all this corruption, criminal activity and deceit without being prosecuted.

Sure shows that many if not all are on the take.

Obama and Kerry met with other world leaders while Trump was president.  WTH for? This is unheard of.  WTH is going on?

I'm a fan of Trump's achievements and how his term has shined a light on a lot of the bureaucratic evils in the world/US.

Would I wanna have a beer with him if he weren't president or a bilionare, probably not.

The problem that I do have is that this all just looks like a massive setup to get Trump into landslide win next year.

That makes me nervous. Whenever there is such a large effort towards an unstated goal, my snout is out.

The question is, why have hardly any of the people conspiring against DT gone to prison? At this point is very clear there was a conspiracy. It's clear that numerous private, public and state employed persons have been involved. So what's the deal?

There's been so much farcical nonsense, some of it illegal, and yet the focus seems to be on the story rather than than the law. Right? I mean, one either commits an illegal act or you don't. You either go to prison or you don't. So what's wrong with the system? We hear the terms conspiracy, treason, misuse of power, corruption on and on but nothing every comes of it after the 24 news cycle. 

To believe the narrative we have to accept that most US politicians don't know or understand the law and that the U.S. judiciary is completely powerless as well as incompetent. I don't buy it.

Is the deep state throwing ghost punches to drum up support for Trump? I'm starting to think so. The first and most obvious reason would be for him to gain approval for war with Iran. Basically another Iraq war but will last longer, cause greater instability, resurgent and new  terror groups that keep the conflict morphing and rolling on, and ultimately a lot of weapons and supply contracts for US and European firms.

...or is it just an effort to destabilise the largest and most dangerous pillar of Islam in the middle east? Not so unbelievable if you buy into the Jewish control narrative of people a lot further to the right than myself. 

Just a bit of a paranoid hypothesis, I guess.

Either way, no BS, if Trump wins 2020, I shall be buying a shyte ton of Bitcoin. 

No coulda, woulda or shoulda this time Mr Moz ;)

Gold and silver.

It depends on how many seasons of Gold Rush one binges Draad.

Haha Tony Beets

“ The question is, why have hardly any of the people conspiring against DT gone to prison?    “

The answer to that short question is probably large enough to match the Encyclopaedia Britannica. The reality is that, although a lot of people laugh their asses off when you talk about the deep state, it is exactly what it is. The Deepstate is in control but they are slowly starting to become unraveled and unmasked. That is why they are jumping around like a cat on a hot tin roof. That is why they are so desperate to stop Trump and, dare I say, Brexit. Brexit, to Europe, is to what Trump is to the left in the USA. And now we have Trump Mk2 in the UK and I am hoping like hell that they do not manage to get him out. 

They know that the man on the street are seeing through them and that is why they are shit scared of an election. They are so scared that they are prepared to take over and put Corbyn in charge without an election because they know that there is no way in hell that the electorate would put Corbyn in No 10.    

@Cera

Deep state or not. If there is a record or evidence of something and it is a crime, then the courts should see the perpetrator charged and nothing should really stand in the way. There is a separation of power after all. 

The process is transparent and simple enough. 

The debate focuses or ends up on intangibles, and even from the red side, there seems to be no follow-through on the clear and truly damning evidence. It all becomes "Remember when you spoke that nonsense?" as opposed to "Remember that crime you committed and went to prison for?"

Hence the snout be out.

Ceradyne

If Clinton won there would have not been any investigation of the ultra-corrupt shenanigans of the DP politicians like Obama, Clinton, Biden, Pelosi, Podesta, Schiff et al.

The Uranium story and the bribe of  R142 million paid by the Russians to the Clinton Foundation is now on the table and Biden is already in trouble about the Ukraine and China bribes,   The next two to get into public scrutiny is Kerry and Pelosi, with Schiff also going down fast.

A  lot of jail time is on the cards for some very real criminals associated with the DP.   Using their children will not help them at all.  

Plum, same reason why none of our crooks are being prosecuted either...these bastards are brilliant at plausible deniability and dodging. Fly like a butterfly and steal like Zuma.

Plum the political bias in Washington D.C has infiltrated all avenues of government including the Justice Dept.

I t is almost impossible to get a jury in Washington D.C or Baltimore to reach a decision and convict any deep state operative or Demorat.

The only solution I see in justice being served is to lay charges and have a Military trail.

Surely, leaking classified documents, meeting with foreign govt. officials from Iran, destroying evidence that has been requested by congress, fabricating evidence, lying under oath, setting up foreign intelligence networks to spy on USA citizens, bribery just for starters are treason in one way or another.

By the way on the issue of having a beer with President Trump if you do get an invite I would be very proud to fill in for you.

Cheers, Hic.

AJH

Th issue of corrupt administration in Washington is nothing new - all of the 2 Bushes, Clinton and Obama thrived on it and made sure there were no legal action taken.   Why do you think the younger Bush is now lovey-dovey with Obama?  Criminals flock together.

I am not sure that Trump will succeed in rooting out corruption in the US Government.  There are elements of the RP also involved - eg  Romney.   They will undermine everything Trump is trying to do to get the corruption swamp cleared, because the net may also catching them out.       

In Brazil a snake swallowed a member of parliament:

Could we please order three hundred of these snakes. Three hundred to be delivered to Brussels, three hundred  to Westminster and three hundred to Congress. The Brussels ones to be let loose anywhere. The Westminster ones to be let loose in the Labour benches and the Congress ones to be let loose in the Dem benches. 

Unfortunately these snakes do not eat SKUNKS.

To the top with this one.

Probably a good time to bring this thread back to the top given that the House has just voted to formalize the impeachment process.

I see Bozo is tweeti ng his usual self-pitying garbage about this being the biggest witch hunt in US history . . . why is he or anyone else surprised, when he's the most deceitful, self-serving and corrupt president in American history?

Lock him up!

Goodness. You see this as a win?

Haha...

Now they're locked into the process. 

Easy to win behind closed doors. 

Much tougher when you have to bother with the trivialities of due process. 

Rooi, in all honestly, I can't believe that you support this shit.

Remember the House may pass a resolution - but the Senate may just throw it out without a hearing because it is clear that the whole story was cooked up politically and clear proof is not provided that a Senate Hearing is justified,    They need only a simple majority in the Senate to decide to proceed and if they do - it would be a fun show, I would regularly watch it.      

"Rooi, in all honestly, I can't believe that you support this shit."

This is the same moron who swore that Hillary would beat Trump by a landslide...…. and yet he has still not learnt his lesson.....

For a person to go to jail there must be a criminal offence proven in a court of law - what is the offence that Trump or any of his family members has committed?  

"Ummm . . . Plum, I'm not entirely sure what it is you think I'm supporting?"

Communist-style misuse of power that flies directly in the face of democracy.

Yet, you don't seem bothered. How?

Well Plum, first off, I don't see the term "Communist-style" in the same negative light that you and other Trumpanzees see it. I know the effects of McCarthyism are still felt, especially in communities where people tend to be insular, narrow-minded and impressionable . . . but the theory of communism is actually a very good one that I identify with. 

The problem is that human nature makes it almost impossible to implement communism practically but that's not to say the ideals of equality, common ownership and the abolition of classes in society are bad things, it just means that humans are too greedy and self-serving to manage lofty ideals such as communism.

Anyway, just so we're clear, I also don't support things like obstruction of justice, bribery, corruption, nepotism, self-serving incompetent fools in positions of power and treason which is why I think Bozo should be in jail already . . . but if the long-winded impeachment process achieves the same result then I can live with that. Doesn't mean I support it. I support chucking the fat, bloated pig in jail and throwing the key away . . . or having him put up against a wall and shot for treason.

Lock him up!

"it just means that humans are too greedy and self-serving to manage lofty ideals such as communism."

There are hundreds of millions of dead people that would like to have a word with you about the "just" in that sentence.

It's a sexy doctrine that paints an impossible world while providing the perfect vehicle for a disastrous rise to power. Nothing more. What you are doing is the equivalent of quoting some of Hitler's words/ideas out of context and saying that in principle, it ain't so bad. No. The entire thing can fuck off. Every last idea, word or symbol. Done.

It doesn't work. It never has. So why the fuck not try to improve the thing that has worked instead of faltering at the logically immature hurdle of assuming that for an idea to be better than capitalism, it must be its opposite.

At what point do we realise that nobody has the right to stunt the talent or the reward for that talent which it's owner earned? That is literally the opposite of freedom or equality.

Communists need to stop pretending that true equality is what they're selling. They are only offering to punish the talented and uplift the underachieving. They appeal to the stupid, lazy and a small power elite that make the West's elite appear legion.

Capitalist countries have a much better record of assisting the weak. Women, elderly, mentally challenged, gay, blind, deaf...take your pick. Capitalist countries with capitalist ideals have helped more of them more often.  Name a desired outcome in the communist doctrine and its likely capitalism will have got closer to realising it.

 As a proponent of evolution, the onus is on you to explain why in this instance you choose to ignore one of its few truly fundamental principles. This, in the face of an embarrassing amount of evidence in support of the benefits of including it in your thinking as concerns economics, the perpetuation of the species and social well-being.

Again, it's you that has to explain why Trump's corruption, obstruction and collusion have not been proven despite 60% of politicians and 100% of the deep state(basically just career law enforcement) have been gunning for him.

What I glean from this, correct me if I'm wrong, is that...

a) You fancy jailing someone because you have declared them a self-serving nepotist

b) You have no respect for due process as is required under democracy so long as the outcome suits your end.

c) You are one of the people helping to perpetuate one of the most dangerous doctrines the world has ever known. If not, the most dangerous.

I know you don't just say this stuff in passing.

And that is what I find truly unbelievable.

Plum, all I can say is that it's pretty obvious that everything I said about communism in theory vs communism in practice flew high over your head.

No worries, let's just disagree and leave it at that.

Lock him up! 

No it didn't fly over anything. You're not the first person i've heard make that point, nor will you be the last, unfortunately.

Here...

"it just means that humans are too greedy and self-serving to manage lofty ideals"

That's the crux of your point, right?

It completely ignores a simple fact about life, all life...from microbial to sentient. 

Efficiency. Greed and efficiency are NOT the same thing. Communist supporters like to blur this line. They like to blame the imperfect humans for failing to achieve their perfect communist world.

Anyway. I'm starting a new political party. Our goals are equality, freedom, growing our economy, peace, a clean environment, education, progress, national pride with strong judicial, executive and legislative branches of government.  

How do we aim to get there?

War, murder, rape, robbery, corruption, coercion, blackmail, spying, disinformation, mass killing, torture, small super powerful elite, deprivation of freedom, oppression of counter opinions and the execution of anyone for anything the state deems a crime.

Wanna sign up? 

No?

I mean, in theory, our doctrine is perfect. Look at the desired outcomes for reference.

"but the theory of communism is actually a very good one that I identify with."

No, it's the desired outcomes that resonate with you. Not the theory itself. Again, not the same thing.

The short answer, no.

La st I checked he oversaw a permanent ceasefire. Does that sound like war or does it sound like the opposite of war?

A long list of crimes where there is no evidence at all that it happened.   Just total BS  in fact.  Where did you get load of BS from - it seems more like you pasted it from, an article about bribery and corruption of the Clintons, Biden, Kerry and Obama.  They did all of the above and worse and there is in their cases lots of evidence to prove the existence of a criminal mafia under Obama.   

Trump is against the endless wars Bush and Obama landed the USA in and the fact is he wants to take the troops out of the ME,   He is not a warmonger and has stated in the election campaign in 2016 what he is aiming to do.   Was at least honest when it comes to that.

Let he Muslims fight their own battles - if countries dependent on ME oil feel their interests threatened let them do the fighting - not the USA on their behalf.   One thing is for sure if anyone hits the interests of the USA - the revenge will be short, decisive and terrible for them.  

The madness is that the media wants another war in the ME involving the USA and they are not getting it.      

Ah, atleast it's out in the open now. Rooi is a totalitarian commie, under the guise of a liberal.  Typical limousine lib...it actually makes perfect sense!