Rooi you are correct about the days are numbered.
They are for the Demorats because the S... is going to hit the fan very soon and guess who are going to be covered in S...!
Yep deep Do-Do.
You continually sell the President and his inner circle short....big time and a big mistake.
By the way the Bozo left office three years ago. Correct Bozo Osama Obama.
The latest story about the so-called whistleblower is that he worked with Brennan in the CIA. Brennan said that the complaint was so well written is must be from a top class CIA staff member, It is the same Brennan who encouraged CIA and ex-CIA staff to lay complaints against Trump. After being an assistant to Brennan and after the latter was fired - the so-called whistleblower went to work for the Biden campaign organization.
Sounds to me more and more like a DP complot and the fact is strengthened by the meeting between him and Schiff - the chief political supporter of the Russian Hoax story, When that story backfired and could not be used Schiff and co had to find another myth to be used to try and stop Trump from running in the 2020 election.
In the meantime the new Impeachment story is an attempt to draw attention away from the IG report to be released soon. The DP must realize that they would not survive politically when massive wrongdoing by them is exposed and they are desperately trying to get the leftist media to campaign that the upcoming reports is not worth anything.
Bad news the whole story,
AJH
The name is Osama Hussein Obama
It's not communism where the state makes decisions for you and indolence gets the same reward as diligence......that's at fault. It's flawed human nature.
Sure we saw that clearly in the old Soviet Union and the movie is playing out in Venezuela every day.
"In theory its a good thing."
Well it's not a theory.
Theories are tested hypothesis which have stood up to scrutiny.
Communism hasn't ever done that, theoretically or practically.
In reality, it's just an evil dogma that results in death.
Anyway, Rooi.
I'd like you to fight your corner.
Ja, I know it's risky because everyone and his dog will take the chance to rip you. But that's not my goal.
Despite the impression I might give off, I'm genuinely interested in your more detailed opinion.
And as you'll note, I don't do the bandwagon thing so I'm not trying to bait you into something only to ga ng up on you.
"In theory its a good thing."
The theory is to reward the hardworking and the loafers the same. Nothing good about that.
Communism has nothing to do with helping the poor and downtrodden. It's all about manipulating the poor masses to take power. ...to what end?
I knew the late Roley Arenstein who had the longest ban of any SA Communist well and frequently had discussions with him on issues. His grandmother was a sister of Karl Marx and he used to call him Uncle Karl.
He very accurately described the USSR as having nothing to do with Communism - the theory of which is based on ancient Jewish system of economy in biblical times. The purist form of communism is what is found in kibbutzim in the present Israel. He went on to say that many National Party senior members in their youth were Communists as well - very true - and even say that some aspects of apartheid was in line with what Lenin introduced in Russia after the Communists took over Government. Fact is the National Party was a socialist institution and was typical of the kind of Government the socialist and communist elements strive for.
The problem is that some of the wealthy and left-wing politicians see the theoretical concept of Communism as an ideal way to bluff the innocents in society so as to seize power and to introduce another era of dictatorship. With the modern systems of communication and the media they use the media and computerized systems to brainwash the population in supporting them.
When they get into power what Hitler and Stalin did would be mild compared to what they will come up with, That is why they want to flood the USA with migrants that would vote for them and illegal voting by migrants is the norm in California and the result is that the State is in chaos administratively - an ideal situation to take control of Government.
I would say that the theoretical communists comprise of a minute section of any community - the rogues are as Arenstein said not Communists - but dictators and that is what is going on in the USA and other traditional democratic states. What the present lot wants have nothing to do with Communism - it has to do to use left-wing ideology to take power and institute dictatorship that would never be benefitting the populations at all.
Just look at the present USA political scenario and you get the picture. The dolts like eight out of ten DP candidates are effectively Democratic Socialists - mostly politicians that has stolen and amassed wealth themselves and are really not intending anything for the people, but to install their own brand of dictatorship.
Bad news the whole lot of them and for anybody to fall for what is really happening in the USA and Europe and support them - like Rooinek did in this case - can best be described as total ignorance of the real situation.
Rooi
Now that the rugby over, perhaps you'd like to answer my question above.
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No, it doesn't.
"Anyway, Rooi.
I'd like you to fight your corner.
Ja, I know it's risky because everyone and his dog will take the chance to rip you. But that's not my goal.
Despite the impression I might give off, I'm genuinely interested in your more detailed opinion.
And as you'll note, I don't do the bandwagon thing so I'm not trying to bait you into something only to gang up on you."
Stop being a tit.
I want to know more. Are you gonna discuss it or not?
Dude, we were taking about communism.
I said that I think you resonate with the outcomes, not the actual doctrine.
Which may or may not be correct. You'll likely say that that the there are plenty principles and rules that make sense to you and which you support, regardless of outcomes.
So, I just want to know more about what you meant.
...b ecause as far as I can tell, you did only mention outcomes.
If anyone ever wanted to show people an example of interpersonal skills that won't get you far in life..... just ask them to read Piss Mint's posts over the years.....
No wonder he is such a bitter and angry old age citizen……… his life is a mess, and it never amounted up to what he expected it to be, but with this constant attitude to people and life, who can expect anything else
LMFAO
Wehe . . . the obsessed and utterly consumed DumbAss calling someone else bitter and angry!
LMAO!
From the guy who relishes, and deliberately goes out of his way..... every single day.... to turn people against him.....
He lives off the negative energy that he creates...… its what he wakes up for every morning.....
Who can I piss off or piss on today.....No wonder you chose the name Urinal Mint..... its all coming together now
LMFAO..... what a fun life
Hmmm . . . so now, where were we before DumbAss exploded into his usual rage?
Oh yes . . . Plum was going to explain why it's so wrong for people to strive for the ideals of equality, common ownership and the abolition of class . . .
I got all of that the first time.
Those ideals are the desired outcomes.
So, I'm asking you if you are happy with and agree in terms of how communism attempts to achieve those ideals.
Let's assume humans had no faults. In other words, they would not fail any system that you set them up in.
Would communism be your choice?
"Oh yes . . . Plum was going to explain why it's so wrong for people to strive for the ideals of equality, common ownership and the abolition of class . . . "
The old Commie lie...common ownership? BS...it's mob rule....abolition of class, what class?...it's the abolition of accountability...the same reason they hate religion too....free stuff crowd don't want competition...it's not about ideals, it's about taking something you did not work for and giving it to someone who does not deserve it, while you're skimming off the cream...it's so unfair! Why should some have more than others?
We are all equal, yet some are more equal than others? Right Rooi...you should be one of the "more equal " ones?
Lol Draad, were you also forced to suffer Animal Farm in high school.
"Let's assume humans had no faults. In other words, they would not fail any system that you set them up in.
Would communism be your choice?"
Yes.
BTW Animal Farm is a brilliant novel by a brilliant author.
Yes, and a brilliant example of what is wrong with the world today....
And no Plum, I suffered other horrors in the last 80's class...ever...Animal Farm is much more interesting than "Jamaica In" and " Joernaal van Jorik"...we were tortured back in the 80's, but we were also the best generation the world will ever see. GenX FTW!
Ok, well I think it's safe to say that Rooi doesn't have a copy of TCM next to his bed.
Rooi, I'm going to assume that your feelings towards communism are romantic by definition.
The prevailing images in my mind are Che, Cuba, red, populations in uniform, fear, deprivation, unfulfilled belief, etc. Those all make for good stories. In that sense they romanticised, despite being largely negative.
Were you knowledgeable on the platform that sets up its outcomes, you'd likely have elaborated by now.
If you haven't responded due to some other reason, consider the above retracted.
Guess I'm just gonna have to read it(TCM) and see for myself.
Maybe I'll audiobook it. Will check back periodically. If my opinion changes drastically from this point o n, please stage an intervention.
Nothing is safe to say Plum...once I was fooled too, but the scales fell of...pure hate transcends reason...and boy does he hate. You are wasting your time. He's lost.
Lol Draad
I'm very capable of forming my own open opinions.
You and other dislike Rooi, I don't. Maybe that's because I have an appreciation for no bullshit. Or maybe it's beecause he and I have never been kak to each other. Either way, it is what it is. I prefer to treat people based on my own experiences with them.
And that's fine Plum...I respect you for that...Like I said, that was my POV a few years ago...and I don't just dislike him, I despise him...the only person on the planet...I have more time for Zuma...and one day you'll see that he is full of BS and the biggest liar and fraud on this site....absolutely no integrity...a God hater...he hates the mere idea of God and redemption...the idea of accountability to something higher than chance...bitterness incarnate.
Draad, God hate offends you as much as what God love offends others.
You cannot expect to judge others on their belief or opposition to belief and not be judged for your belief or support for religious things.
If God was a proven being that people could see and follow, or rebel against by choice, then you might have a definite argument either way. As it stands, there is no such thing.
All we have is to say A) what we believe and B) if science can't explain it then the Judeo-Christian God is behind it.
Always remember, Christianity was the vehicle for the longest and darkest time in human history. Apartheid, communism and the Nazis all pale in comparison to what was achieved in Christ's name. Whether you count the bodies, the complete destruction of cultures or the 600+ years of lost advancement of our species, the church sits at the top of every category...by far. By very very far.
And you'll say, "People are responsible for that. NOT God!" Ok, cool.
The fact is, the average person isn't a murderer and doesn't take pleasure in torture. It's only a very small fraction of people that do.
That is, until you provide them with a "higher cause".
That's when the wheels come off and that's why many people actively oppose religious views.
Plum, I know...and it's not about the Christian faith or Moslem or any orher faith...it's about the idea of good vs evil....about a higher purpose than just being...I don't mind other views...it's the aggressive opposition to my own views I'm responding to....it's like the burning of books...oppression of ideas...my way or the highway.
It was wrong when the church did it and it's still wrong.
Here's a simple test for you. If you had the power to censor anyone or any topic, how would you use it? How would Rooi, and how would I or anyone else?...and then extrapolate to the world in general .
"...it's about the idea of good vs evil....about a higher purpose than just being."
Exactly. And some feel that religion is evil.
Problem is, you are required to take their view personally.
Look, I'm bias here...we all are.
I'm against intolerance of any kind, as long as other peoples's rights are not infringed upon, but there are limits to freedom, the problem lies in identifying where the barriers/ boundaries should be...and that's no easy thing...I'm too opinionated when it comes to Rooi...wasn't always like that...
Draad
If I opposed Christianity as much as you support it, there is no way that you would not be offended and personally insulted.
That's the point.
It ain't anyone's fault. J ust the nature nature of the beast.
Plum, I can handle being offended.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
And with this quote I'm not trying to imply that I'm "good" and those opposing my views are "evil"... I'm just saying some things are important enough not to worry about offending someone.
It's impossible to please everyone...some will always be offended.
Very interesting point Db...… and a bloody good one
Thanks DA, I know we don't actually agree on the religious topic, but regardless of topic, nothing should be forced down our thoughts without serious resistance. I absolutely hate mob rule!...regardless of what the mob stands for.
"It's impossible to please everyone...some will always be offended."
Yes, normally the religious person.
That's been my experience anyway.