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Conspiracy Theorists (e.g PLUMpanzee)

Started by sharkbok26 REPLIES790 VIEWS· 14 Apr 2020, 14:26
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sharkbokCaptain23,210 posts
14 Apr 2020, 14:26
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14 Apr 2020, 14:26#1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

Evidence vs. conspiracy theory

Belief in conspiracy theories is generally based not on evidence, but in the faith of the believer.[32] Noam Chomsky contrasts conspiracy theory to institutional analysis which focuses mostly on the public, long-term behavior of publicly known institutions, as recorded in, for example, scholarly documents or mainstream media reports.[33] Conspiracy theory conversely posits the existence of secretive coalitions of individuals and speculates on their alleged activities.[34][35]


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conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful actors, often political in motivation,[2][3] when other explanations are more probable.[4] 


The term has a pejorative connotation, implying that the appeal to a conspiracy is based on prejudice or insufficient evidence.[5] Conspiracy theories resist falsification and are reinforced by circular reasoning: both evidence against the conspiracy and an absence of evidence for it are re-interpreted as evidence of its truth,[5][6] whereby the conspiracy becomes a matter of faith rather than something that can be proved or disproved.[7][8]


Research suggests that conspiracist ideation—belief in conspiracy theories—can be psychologically harmful or pathological[9][10] and that it is highly correlated with psychological projectionparanoia and Machiavellianism.[11] 

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When the world goes into a crisis like the Coronavirus, the conspirators are out in full force. 

Religious Whack Jobs and other simpletons create conspiracies to help them try make sense of the world. They despise scientists, engineers and other accepted experts in society - the people that are opinion leaders and help define and shape the accepted reality - as shared by the majority. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Apr 2020, 15:25
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14 Apr 2020, 15:25#2

Here's a conspiracy for you:


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Apr 2020, 15:48
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14 Apr 2020, 15:48#3

SB

So you rate the Democrats as the top CONSPIRACY THEORY users in the World in the 21st Century?   They had a total run since 2015 and did use lies and deception as well.     

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sharkbokCaptain23,210 posts
14 Apr 2020, 16:06
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14 Apr 2020, 16:06#4

Anyone that confines themselves to one media outlet is at risk of being converted into a non-thinking zombie that gets spoon fed reality. Another option is locking yourself in a cave and not reading any media at all.  

Of course different media outlets will present their take on events differently. Even if they are not intentionally distorting the truth, their ideology will filter their version of reality. No one is 100% certain what reality is... 

Other times the media is flat out deception for economic and political motives. The only option is to consider multiple sources to get to the facts. 

The last option is to accept any conspiracy under the sun.... 



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CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Apr 2020, 16:07
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14 Apr 2020, 16:07#5
Some modern day conspiracy theories: Trump colluded with the Russians to win the 2016 elections. Trump blackmailed Ukraine. Trump will not stand down if he loses the election Trump will fire NOT fire dr Fauci. Trump WILL fire dr Fauci. Trump is a racist for closing the borders to travellers from China. Trump did not close the borders soon enough. Trump had done a load of shit around coronavirus on his own. Dr Fauci is bullshitting when he says that Trump made no decisions without consulting people like himself and Dr Birx. Trump is going to ruin the economy by enforcing a lockdown. Trump is making a huge mistake in considering opening up the economy too soon. And so on and so on and so on.
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sharkbokCaptain23,210 posts
14 Apr 2020, 16:13
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14 Apr 2020, 16:13#6

Why do you both constantly refer to American politics? One lives in Europe, and the other in South Africa. 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Apr 2020, 16:21
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14 Apr 2020, 16:21#7
“ Posted by: sharkbok (11153 posts) Apr 14, 2020, 16:13 Why do you both constantly refer to American politics? One lives in Europe, and the other in South Africa. “ Uhmmmm. You don’t think that your very own choice of title to this thread may have something to do with it?
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
14 Apr 2020, 16:22
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14 Apr 2020, 16:22#8

Hmmm ... the media told us that Kolisi is a whizz kid. A rugby genius. A brilliant captain and the best option at 6.

That was all it took to convince Dumb Fuck and his side kick SharkShit.

Even Elton Jantjies was hyped up as the "Tiger Woods of rugby".

SharkShit told us recently that Jantjies is a very good player.

Wanker Mike is also prone to swallowing the tall tales of the media.

It's hilarious to see how much power they have over these bozos.
Like flies to a turd.




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CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Apr 2020, 17:09
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14 Apr 2020, 17:09#10
Describe a decent test level player, in your own opinion and not that of some wannabe reporter, and how Jantjies fits the description.
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sharkbokCaptain23,210 posts
14 Apr 2020, 17:16
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14 Apr 2020, 17:16#11
Jantjies has been in 3 back to back Super rugby finals.  At test level, he is a solid bench player when the game opens up in the second half. He and Pollard combined well in 2018 at test level.
Certainly a better option than Morne Shit Stain. Flyhalf has never been a position with lots of depth in SA, so Jantjies is solid (except in wet conditions where he is a liability). 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Apr 2020, 17:16
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14 Apr 2020, 17:16#12

SB

The problem goes back to the time when the  CIA was founded by Truman to protect the USA from being attacked.   They were supposed to act in National interests and by 1962 Truman realized that a monster was created with ulterior motives,

I watched the above video and the fact is there is a close interaction between the CIA and politics in the USA,   Senator Schumer said nobody in  politics  should interfere with the CIA activities or they would find means to destroy you.  And those means are not based on the truth - but basically the use of leaked fabricated stories to their favourite media.   

The problem was that by 2015 the CIA and the Democrats fears were that Trump would act against corruption and protection of criminals within the ranks of both the CIA and the Democrats - they were jointly in it,   When they fear that certain important people would  act against them - the people are subjected to tales about sex crimes an the proof is always to bribe somebody to claim sexual abuse by such a person. 

The anti-Trump campaign since 2016 was entirely based on CIA fabrications in liaison with the Democrats and involving corrupt elements in the FBI and Justice Department,   The fact is they refer to John Podesta in the clip.  Podesta started his career in the political environment under Bill Clinton, a known sex offender - but nothing was done to charge Clinton despote the fact that jt was found he lied under oath about it when giving evidence  in Congress on the issue,  Podesta was always closely aligned to the Clintons and became the Campaign Manager of  Clinton in 2016.   The alliance between Bill Clinton and Podesta could also be linked to sex abuse of minors in view of the leaked e-mails of Podesta,  Beside that the leakage of Podesta e-mails also indicated  e-mails between Podesta and the Russians  leading to a grant of 75 000 shares to him by a State-owned company in Russia,   Besides that there was also an e-mail sent by Clinton to Podesta that indicated that "she has direct access to Putin's inner sanctum". 

The actions of Wikileaks as to the e-mails was typical by the media - it was an embarrassment and must be covered up.  So the best way was to ignore the truth and continue spreading mind-control  propaganda, 

That makes the situation more frightening -  Assanje would have been a victim of suicide should he have been extradited to the USA,  The incidence of suicide of anybody in the position to expose the Clinton - or for that matter any US top politician - was high in the agenda of the potential criminals were very real - they were not conspiracy stories.

The CIA is a danger to Democracy and the way they operate should have caused closure of the   Agency decades ago.

  

        

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Apr 2020, 17:19
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14 Apr 2020, 17:19#13

SB

The reason is obvious - we live in a Global Village.   No place in the world is further away than a 36 hour trip from any other place in the world.  What happened in the USA, Russia, the EU, China and Japan affect our daily lives - often detrimentally.     

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
14 Apr 2020, 18:02
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14 Apr 2020, 18:02#14

Getting an original thought out of Shark is like expecting love from a hooker.

Indeed, let's talk about a South African conspiracy.

"Conspiracy theory conversely posits the existence of secretive coalitions of individuals and speculates on their alleged activities."

Zuma and the Guptas...you know the rest.

Did they conspire to and ultimately commit corruption. Nah, nah it just happened on the spot, out of nowhere and from moment to moment. 

Jirr. 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Apr 2020, 18:20
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14 Apr 2020, 18:20#15
@SB, Well riddle me this. Jantjies is a decent test level player and waaaaaay better than Morne Steyn because: 1. He played in back to back Super Rugby finals. But but but. Jantjies’ team won none of them. Morne Steyn played in three finals AND the Bulls won all three, two of them were also back to back. 2. He is a decent test level player because he is a solid bench player ..... provided the game opens up in the second half. Huhhh. WTF? Shouldn’t a decent test level player be solid in any, or at least most, circumstances? What happens when he has to go on in the first half and the game doesn’t open up, huh? Has Jantjies ever put up all of his teams 30 plus points, including a try, in a test against the ABs. You can try to convince me that many fly halves are/were better than Morne but Jantjies? Never.
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sharkbokCaptain23,210 posts
14 Apr 2020, 19:00
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14 Apr 2020, 19:00#16

@Ceradynce, can you continuje this conversation about Jantjies on the dedicated thread for Jantjies in the Rugby section.  

This thread is about conspiracies, in particularly PlumPiracy and Beeno.

I will briefly conclude that Jantjies was in 3 back to back finals, not 2. I believe Morne Steyn played in 2 finals. Derick Hougaard was in the 2007 final, not Morne Steyn. So the Bulls still won without shit stain. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,210 posts
14 Apr 2020, 19:02
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14 Apr 2020, 19:02#17

@Plum the sun rising in the morning is not a conspiracy, it is a fact. Black governments like Zuma steal which is another fact, not a conspiracy. Not many people will dispute this- it is the mainstream thought shared by most. 

Read the definition of conspiracy on this thread, and then I will allow you to provide a better retort . 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Apr 2020, 19:32
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14 Apr 2020, 19:32#18


Duplication

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Apr 2020, 19:32
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14 Apr 2020, 19:32#19

Duplication

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Apr 2020, 19:32
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14 Apr 2020, 19:32#20

SB

I paste the description as to conspiracy theories, 

A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful actors, often political in motivation,[2][3] when other explanations are more probable.[4] 

The term has a pejorative connotation, implying that the appeal to a conspiracy is based on prejudice or insufficient evidence.[5] Conspiracy theories resist falsification and are reinforced by circular reasoning: both evidence against the conspiracy and an absence of evidence for it are re-interpreted as evidence of its truth,[5][6] whereby the conspiracy becomes a matter of faith rather than something that can be proved or disproved.[7][8]

Most of the issues raised on this site is not conspiracy theories - but factual.   The involvement of th Biden's in Ukraine is factual and is now at last being investigated of the FBI,   There is evident proof that Podesta was involved in Ukraine corruption as well and so was Clinton, Pelosi and Schiff,  

Look at the mass of documentation by Wikileaks particularly about  the total corruption of the Democratic Leaders and that means it is real and not conspiracy theories,  Some of that is at last being investigated by the FBI.   

The lies fed by the FBI, CIA and the Democrats about the Russian and Ukraine Hoaxes to the media cannot be regarded purely as conspiracy theories - it was deliberate lies from the word go,      


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sharkbokCaptain23,210 posts
14 Apr 2020, 19:40
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14 Apr 2020, 19:40#21
Thanks, one time will suffice. 
Are you sure the CIA are not investigating it, as they are supposed to deal with international country issues, with the feds within the US. 
You may think those are facts, however at this stage they are just speculation. My guess is that Biden will be president in November. At the US time of need they need a real president, not a reality TV star whose support group are happy clappies
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Apr 2020, 19:48
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14 Apr 2020, 19:48#22

A real President who is a self-admitted crook and showing signs of dementia already.   What a farce the Presidency will become with that idiot in charge,   Sure it will lead to protection of the other looters in the  DP - nothing else. 

By the way the CIA is more involved in internal USA matters that they should be.  That is why their unconstitutional programs are seriously problematic.  The FBI investigate crimes as to money-laundering of the US dollar worldwide  - so they must investigate,            

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Apr 2020, 20:07
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14 Apr 2020, 20:07#23
“ Posted by: sharkbok (11160 posts) Apr 14, 2020, 19:00 @Ceradynce, can you continuje this conversation about Jantjies on the dedicated thread for Jantjies in the Rugby section. This thread is about conspiracies, in particularly PlumPiracy and Beeno. I will briefly conclude that Jantjies was in 3 back to back finals, not 2. I believe Morne Steyn played in 2 finals. Derick Hougaard was in the 2007 final, not Morne Steyn. So the Bulls still won without shit stain. ” Uhmmm. I was actually responding to one of your posts right here on this very thread. Morne Steyn played in the 2007 final. He was on the bench. He took over the next year when Hougaardt followed Heyneke Meyer to Leicester.
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sharkbokCaptain23,210 posts
14 Apr 2020, 20:16
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14 Apr 2020, 20:16#24
Ok, it was CleanCutt that hijacked the thread with Jantjies. This thread is about conspiracy theories. 
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Apr 2020, 21:14
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14 Apr 2020, 21:14#25

Oh FFS Shark. Grow a pair man. Are you really telling me that;


a. you did not get that CC was chiming in on conspiracy theories, 


and 


b. you are the one who decides who should be crapped upon about talking about Jantjies on the “wrong” thread?


All of this, however, does not negate the fact that your assertion about Jantjies was still a kak one and that you were also wrong about Morne’s appearances in Super Rugby finals. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Apr 2020, 21:58
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14 Apr 2020, 21:58#26

The only conclusion one can reach regarding sharkredvirus is that the loon is as daft as a hatter. He keeps making absurd comments, reaching ridiculous conclusions and gets corrected by his betters repeatedly but the next day the dunce starts again. Hahahaahahahhahahahaha.

Listen to Mike and Windpomp shark; you could learn something if they put it very simply.

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sharkbokCaptain23,210 posts
15 Apr 2020, 00:16
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15 Apr 2020, 00:16#27


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