CoronaVirus spreads to Red States in the US

"Journalism has such an unfortunate record of being wrong.....of allowing bias to enter reporting.....of not admitting to mistakes."

Oh the irony.

"Yeah. Advertising agencies. If you had to believe the British as agencies, the whites in the UK make up about 10% or less of the population, most families are interracial, most men are gay and most women are lesbian. The same with TV shows."

I know I said I wouldn't comment on any more on your posts but but come on now, that is just complete and utter rubbish.

" Cera, see my comment above your one. The media on either side of the fence are exactly the same. If you believe any one side, but not the other, you're an idiot."

Regardless of ones political leanings in this day and age fact checking is a necessity.

“ I know I said I wouldn't comment on any more on your posts but but come on now, that is just complete and utter rubbish.  “

How many British ads do you see? I know what I see daily on TV. There’s an ad featuring eight women, only one of them white. Ads featuring families are, almost without exception, of parents of different races with mixed race kids. Ads featuring white couples are the exception. Ads featuring groups of friends are at best made up of different races, hardly ever a group of whites only. Ads about racial tension always feature scenes with people of colour being targeted by whites, never whites targeted by people of colour. 

Should I go on. I know what I see. I made my remark based on what I observe with my own eyes on a daily bases. This in a country where whites make up almost 90% of the population?

What I see in real life on a daily bases does not even remotely comply with what is reflected in TV ads.

So you are saying it's perfectly proportional or only slightly slanted ?

Have you ever actually dealt with an advertising agency Anger, or is this just another ‘holier than thou’ reflex?

I completely agree Bloo.....most of today’s Republicans would be Democrats if their base of operations was in a difference constituency. And vice versa. So you choose the side whose political leaning coincides with your own.

I believe in one man one vote, freedom of speech, capitalism, protection under the law, a fair but not demotivating social umbrella, individual charity.....and looking forward, not wallowing in supposed past inequities.

Given those beliefs, flawed as they are, the Republicans are a better bet.

Have you ever actually dealt with an advertising agency Anger, or is this just another ‘holier than thou’ reflex?

Irrelevant, I know its complete crap to suggest ads and TV shows in the UK give the impression that whites only make up around 10% of the population or that most man and women the in the ads are depicted as gay. Perhaps interracial families show up slightly more on UK TV than would be the case in real life perhaps they don't, certainly not at the rate to suggest they're more common than non interracial marriages, anyway no one would actually care about that other than racists.

All the major UK TV channels are widely available in Ireland, BBC, ITV, Channel 4, SKY etc and often as the same products, brands and the stores selling them in Ireland are the same as in the UK, the same UK ads are sometimes ran on Irish channels and nothing I've seen indicates UK TV treats whites as a minority.

"Perhaps interracial families show up slightly more on UK TV than would be the case in real life perhaps they don't, certainly not at the rate to suggest they're more common than non interracial marriages, anyway no one would actually care about that other than racists."

And there it is...

You need experience to watch TV now? 

Thick and arrogant an embarrassing combination.

Pot, kettle black.

And there it is...

Why else would people care?

I will say this. This is my tenth year I’m this  country. I have not been out of the country since 1 October 2010. 

I have noticed a big swing, and not necessarily always for the good. 

British patriotism has gone down the tubes. It used to be a virtue for a Brit to be proud of his/her history. Anybody, nowadays, who dare to say anything positive about the British history is immediately shouted down as a racist, a bigot and a misogynist. 

I will be the first to admit that not everything the Brits did was perfect and right. But, FFS, the Brits of the past has left a hell of a lot of good behind. The problem is that whatever happened in the past cannot  be judged by the current day laws and cultural rules. 

I have every right, going by the sentiments of, for instance BLM, to hate the Brits with every bone in my body. I am a descendant of one of the Voortrekker leaders. I have ancestors who fought the Anglo Boer War and some who were in the concentration camps. But I don’t hate them, and I’m not saying that because I’m living here now. It has always been my viewpoint. I have not personally fought the war, was not personally in a concentration camp. I hate what has happened but no single modern day Brit was responsible for that. 

Nobody in the western world today should be blamed for slavery and if anybody was to blame for it, those who started slavery - at least the slavery that BLM is referring to, ie slavery of blacks from Africa -should also be included to carry a lot of the blame. The black slave traders in Africa who captured and enslaved their countrymen in the first place. Why do they get a free pass? 

As far as the TV ads are concerned. I have never been one who care about them because they are, IMO, just a nuisance that we have to bear with. That does not mean that I wouldn’t notice a shift in what is portrayed. I know that I can prove my point by simply giving a host of examples but I’m not going to waste my time doing that because it would simply be a mammoth task to do so. I know what I have noticed and I stand by my observations. By far the most of the families portrayed in TV ads are multiracial which, in reality is not the truth in the UK. I may have exaggerated the percentages re gays and lesbians but the point is that there has been a noticeable shift. One example that springs to mind is the two lesbian women in the Renault ad. Could also be a Citroen ad, I’m not sure. 

That is my observation and if anybody disagrees, feel free to do so.

“ Yes, feel free to do so . . . but based on past history, expect a lot of red-faced foot-stamping and indignant whining together with tearful and self-righteous demands for answers to stupid questions.   “

Piss off. Unless you are somehow able to, an indeed do, watch a lot of British TV, including the ads, you do not have a dog in this fight. So run along. I’m sure it’s about time for a diaper change. 

What a plonker. Seems you are even more stupid than I thought. This entire discussion, about the adds was bout British ads on British TV. Maybe I really was expecting too much of you after all.  

Really good post Vlag....all South Africans In my time had a sense of the inequity of the Boer war, but they moved on. Germany has been forgiven, Japan has been forgiven....but white people today are supposed to bear a 200 year old burden.

It’s a delusion that’s destroying the Black community, taking away their sense of purpose. 

Slavery was a horror, with all it’s sins committed by whites and other blacks in Africa.....but it’s in the rear view mirror, let’s keep it that way.

As for your retort Anger....no, you don’t need experience to watch TV, not even to opine on whether the target audience is appropriately reflected in the copy.  All you need is half a brain and a bit of honesty. 

“ Although it does not help to have a president who encourages public protests to gain points over Democrats. “

What the hell have you been smoking? Your socks?

“ Posted by: mozart (31544 posts)

Really good post Vlag....all South Africans In my time had a sense of the inequity of the Boer war, but they moved on. Germany has been forgiven, Japan has been forgiven....but white people today are supposed to bear a 200 year old burden. “

“It is self-destructive for any society to create a situation where a baby who is born into the world today automatically has pre-existing grievances against another baby born at the same time, because of what their ancestors did centuries ago“. -Thomas Sowell 29 June 2020 on Twitter. Thomas Sowell - Twitter

Indeed...it's such a relief to just let go of the baggage. 

Sir Kier Starmer:

Meaning?

Have you actually read the fact check?

From the fact check:

“ Mr Starmer was head of the CPS when the decision was made not to prosecute Savile“, which is exactly what it says in the meme that I have posted. 

The fact check then goes on to say:

“ but he was not the reviewing lawyer for the case.  “

Then follows another bit of info:

“ A later investigation criticised the actions of both the CPS and the police in their handling of the situation. It did not suggest that Mr Starmer was personally involved in the decisions made. [CYA?] The Labour party told us it could not comment on individual cases and the CPS said that records relating to the decision not to charge Savile were [conveniently?] not kept, which the service said is in line with its data retention policy.“

As George Carlin said: ‘in prison before they give you the lethal injection they swab your arm with alcohol’.

Young people are rejecting the nanny State because they don’t get sick from the disease and they have their own pressures to deal with....the old buggers who  are at risk need to look after themselves.

And they are....the case rates are going up which is good if the vaccine is a dud.....and the death rate is dropping. Natural learning.

These hypocrites who wouldn’t call out the riots as a health risk aren’t going to fool the kids, they see right through them. 

Ceradyne

You posted that picture in an attempt to discredit Starmer. The only insinuation one would get from reading the text in that picture is that Starmer was someone that was personally involved in the Savile case and or the person who decided not to press charges against him or because he was head of the CPS it was his somehow his fault that Savile was not charged. There is no evidence to suggest any of that is true.

He was head of the CPS, so the responsibility was all his...that's how it is supposed to work. 

“ The only insinuation one would get from reading the text in that picture is that Starmer was someone that was personally involved in the Savile case and or the person who decided not to press charges against him or because he was head of the CPS it was his somehow his fault that Savile was not charged.  “

My my my. The hypocrisy. We see one assumption and insinuation after the other on this board. This is typical of all you far left lefties. You are constantly accusing others of doing the exact same thing that your are actually guilty of doing. What happened to the buck stops at the top. Obviously that is only true as long as it’s not your guy. 

Trump is personally responsible for each and every CV death in America, despite the fact that he was reacting on advice of his advisors. And despite the fact that close to half the deaths occurred because infected old people were sent back to the care homes where they spread the virus even more. Also despite the fact that a very large number of deaths was due to underlying conditions which were actually the cause of the deaths. Also despite the fact that there were some pretty shyte reporting. I posted the example where one of the CV deaths was actually a homicide. 

The same thing is done with Boris over here. While I agree and IIRC I said it first, that they did not handle the situation perfectly, he alone cannot be blamed. He also acted on the advice of Mr Undertaker and others like the esteemed prof Ferguson. Yet every time a leftie starts screaming at the top of their voice, Boris becomes a murderer and responsible for each and every death. 

In this case Starmer was the guy at the top and he should have know what was going on in such a high profile case. Who jumped to his defence? Not some independent investigator. No, the Labour Party. Imagine for one moment that Starmer was a Tory and the Tories came to his defence. 

No wonder you, uncharacteristically, posted the URL only, without linking it and without the usual long winded explanation. 

Florida reports more than 15,000 cases in 1-day. Higher than New York's worst day of 12,000. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-reports-a-record-high-15299-new-coronavirus-infections-2020-7

Cases per million pop....NY 23000/Florida 12000

Deaths per million pop ....NY 1666/Florida 198.

Florida protected nursing homes, it’s cases are among the young....heavily weighted to Miami which is a gateway from South America. Herd immunity may be in sight for a number of the counties....if the Swedish strategy was wise, Florida is executing it perfectly.....198 deaths per million pop vs 547 in Sweden.

The Red states have lower death rates and less economic damage than the blue states....but keep beating your drum.

Nobody thinks there are going to be 3.5 million deaths in the USA...but the longer this goes on the greater the likelihood it will be passed to the vulnerable. The more people who are immune, the less likely we will see that happen. What’s happening in Florida is what Sweden and the U.K. initially were aiming for...a form of herd immunity in the absence of a certain vaccine.... so let’s see what happens before declaring victory for either approach.

The Facebook CEO slammed President Donald Trump's response to the pandemic during a Thursday afternoon discussion with Dr Anthony Fauci.

“At this point, it is clear that the trajectory of the US is significantly worse than many other countries, and that our government and this administration have been considerably less effective in handling this,” Zuckerberg said during the convo, which was live-streamed by Reuters.

The tech entrepreneur asserted that the US “reopened too quickly” before lowering the number of reported cases, citing the sharp drop of cases in “every other developed country” as an example of the misstep.

“Our response needs to be guided by science,” he added before expressing his gratitude for Fauci's “dedicated leadership”.